Ralph Nader interviewed by Chris Hedges

ttystikk

ttystikk

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Rob Roy said:
Except you wouldn't need to "lose" democracy if Panarchy were "permitted" You could band together with other people who needed a super daddy overlord system and chose your master, but you would have to stop pretending you had the right to chose other people's master for them. Under a forcible all encompassing democracy, everybody is forced into your cult. That's like tying up your date if she'd prefer not to be involved with you.

So, exactly where does the right of a group of people to assign a master to other individual people come from, if none of the people within the group have the right in the first place? I don't think it's possible for that to occur, without believing in two opposing things at once is it?



Participating in the purge? Is that some new kind of weight loss program?
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Folks are right to ask where this system is in place and operating.

You've ducked that question several times now and it's gotten obvious.

It's time to deal in realities, not ideological sandboxes.
 
Rob Roy

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ttystikk said:
Folks are right to ask where this system is in place and operating.

You've ducked that question several times now and it's gotten obvious.

It's time to deal in realities, not ideological sandboxes.
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It's all around you and continues to surface, doesn't it?

Have you ever made a voluntary and mutual exchange with another person, absent any coercion from either of you? I bet you have.

Have you ever forced an unwilling person to interact with you, if that unwilling person wasn't bothering you? I hope you haven't.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Rob Roy said:
It's all around you and continues to surface, doesn't it?

Have you ever made a voluntary and mutual exchange with another person, absent any coercion from either of you? I bet you have.

Have you ever forced an unwilling person to interact with you, if that unwilling person wasn't bothering you? I hope you haven't.
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Quit with the circle jerk already.

Name the place.

Since we all know you can't, you're simply talking in theoretical terms- without so much as an introductory course in political science to connect your notions with.

Time to get out of the sandbox.
 
Rob Roy

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ttystikk said:
Quit with the circle jerk already.

Name the place.

Since we all know you can't, you're simply talking in theoretical terms- without so much as an introductory course in political science to connect your notions with.

Time to get out of the sandbox.
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Rob Roy

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ttystikk said:
Quit with the circle jerk already.

Name the place.

Since we all know you can't, you're simply talking in theoretical terms- without so much as an introductory course in political science to connect your notions with.

Time to get out of the sandbox.
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If you and I are in a place, and we make a mutual, voluntary and peaceful exchange or interaction, why wouldn't that place suffice as an example to answer your question?

Isn't the totality of all human interactions just an aggregation of the millions of interactions taking place simultaneously ?
 
ttystikk

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Rob Roy said:
If you and I are in a place, and we make a mutual, voluntary and peaceful exchange or interaction, why wouldn't that place suffice as an example to answer your question?

Isn't the totality of all human interactions just an aggregation of the millions of interactions taking place simultaneously ?
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NO, because we'd be doing it in an environment of agreed upon laws, mores, customs and culture, stupid.

It's obvious that you're just foaming at the mouth with your pet theories. That's fine but unless and until you can intelligently discuss the subject of THIS thread here, please take your drivel elsewhere.
 
Rob Roy

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ttystikk said:
Lol

You need your vision checked, fool.

I'll accept this as your concession that you can't back your line of shit with even one actual, real life example.
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You and I are in a place. You ask me if I want to sell you some rope, so you can tie some tarps down at your house. We make a voluntary deal, you give me $10 and I give you the rope you want. We are both happy about the exchange and leave each other peacefully to go about our business. We just made a voluntary exchange. So, the answer is THAT place.


Except, maybe you lied to me...and the rope wasn't for tying down a tarp. You really wanted the rope to tie up an unwilling person, in your basement to force feed them tales of your vertical light dope grow and then you charge them. against their will, because "they benefitted". You became, government. THAT, is not the place.
 
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ttystikk

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Rob Roy said:
You and I are in place. You ask me if I want to sell you some rope, so you can tie some tarps down at your house. We make a voluntary deal, you give me $10 and I give you the rope you want. We are both happy about the exchange and leave each other peacefully to go about our business. We just made a voluntary exchange. So, the answer is THAT place.


Except, maybe you lied to me...and the rope wasn't for tying down a tarp. You really wanted the rope to tie up an unwilling person, in your basement to force feed them tales of your vertical light dope grow and then you charge them. against their will, because "they benefitted". You became, government. THAT, is not the place.
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Again, you're off in la-la land.

Please continue such comments to your own thread and quit polluting this one.
 
Rob Roy

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ttystikk said:
NO, because we'd be doing it in an environment of agreed upon laws, mores, customs and culture, stupid.

It's obvious that you're just foaming at the mouth with your pet theories. That's fine but unless and until you can intelligently discuss the subject of THIS thread here, please take your drivel elsewhere.
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Okay. I'll talk about Ralph Nader then. Ralph Nader, and Ralph Kramden are both named Ralph, is that Ralphy enough for you?


 
londonfog

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Rob Roy said:
Except you wouldn't need to "lose" democracy if Panarchy were "permitted" You could band together with other people who needed a super daddy overlord system and chose your master, but you would have to stop pretending you had the right to chose other people's master for them. Under a forcible all encompassing democracy, everybody is forced into your cult. That's like tying up your date if she'd prefer not to be involved with you.

So, exactly where does the right of a group of people to assign a master to other individual people come from, if none of the people within the group have the right in the first place? I don't think it's possible for that to occur, without believing in two opposing things at once is it?



Participating in the purge? Is that some new kind of weight loss program?
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After all the words, and bullshit what you are really saying is " that no such place exist in the world we live in, but it would be super duper swell if we did lived in a fantasy world of such. "
Do you think unicorns and leprechaun will be present in such an environment. I would love to ride a unicorn and I would become friends with the leprechaun in hopes he give me half of that pot of gold. Oh and when it rains, it rains jelly beans that fall softly from the sky.
 
ttystikk

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londonfog said:
After all the words, and bullshit what you are really saying is " that no such place exist in the world we live in, but it would be super duper swell if we did lived in a fantasy world of such. "
Do you think unicorns and leprechaun will be present in such an environment. I would love to ride a unicorn and I would become friends with the leprechaun in hopes he give me half of that pot of gold. Oh and when it rains, it rains jelly beans that fall softly from the sky.
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I imagine a vision of Homer Simpson heaven, where donuts rain from the sky at breakfast every morning.
 
ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
Ralph is OK.
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Yes we all got the reference.

What your thick headedness continues to blind you to is that Americans are less fooled than ever by the false dichotomy of R vs D and the slick substitution of social issues for economic ones.

That kind of thinking is how the Chump got into the Oval Orifice in the first place.

Time for something different, hence the reason I put up the Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and Tammy Duckworth thread.

It's time to unite the Democratic Party around Progressive economic values, because again the establishment Democratic line didn't work.
 
Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
Yes we all got the reference.

What your thick headedness continues to blind you to is that Americans are less fooled than ever by the false dichotomy of R vs D and the slick substitution of social issues for economic ones.

That kind of thinking is how the Chump got into the Oval Orifice in the first place.

Time for something different, hence the reason I put up the Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and Tammy Duckworth thread.

It's time to unite the Democratic Party around Progressive economic values, because again the establishment Democratic line didn't work.
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Yeah man, right on!!!!!

Ralph is OK
 
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