Ralph Nader interviewed by Chris Hedges

Rob Roy · Jul 10, 2018

londonfog said:
Wow so serving a paying customer is the same as slavery to you.

A lot of people helped kill MLK but what does that have to do with you helping him in the fight to not sit in the back of the bus.
Please have one of your children explain to you what open to the public means

Slavery happens when one party is forced to serve another....right? Are you confused?

A trade between two (or more) willing parties is founded in freedom. A "trade" which one or both parties would decline, if they had a choice, is founded in extortion and at least temporarily has aspects of slavery and certainly isn't founded in freedom.

You do realize that a business boycott, is an effective and peaceful way for a group of people to highlight their issues?
So if MLK wanted to force an unwilling black guy to serve him, you'd have been onboard with that?

londonfog · Jul 10, 2018

Rob Roy said:
Slavery happens when one party is forced to serve another....right? Are you confused?

A trade between two (or more) willing parties is founded in freedom. A "trade" which one or both parties would decline, if they had a choice, is founded in extortion and at least temporarily has aspects of slavery and certainly isn't founded in freedom.

You do realize that a business boycott, is an effective and peaceful way for a group of people to highlight their issues?
So if MLK wanted to force an unwilling black guy to serve him, you'd have been onboard with that?

Slavery happens when humans are treated as property, and can be owned, bought and sold accordingly, and cannot withdraw unilaterally from the arrangement. Slaves do not receive a paycheck nor a benefit package and can be abused, beaten and killed if they do not follow orders.

Your definition of slavery is lacking and rather fucking stupid.
I sometimes do not wish to serve rude entitled asshole who come into the cleaners. I do and so will anyone who works for me. This does not make me nor my employees a slave, for these people pay us nicely for my service and if they are really rude they will see a stubborn stain addition to the bill. :rolleyes:

Why would MLK have to force a black person to serve him in his time ? Please stick to reality, it helps with preventing you from looking like a complete idiot who enjoys word salad

Rob Roy · Jul 11, 2018

londonfog said:
Slavery happens when humans are treated as property, and can be owned, bought and sold accordingly, and cannot withdraw unilaterally from the arrangement. Slaves do not receive a paycheck nor a benefit package and can be abused, beaten and killed if they do not follow orders.

Your definition of slavery is lacking and rather fucking stupid.
I sometimes do not wish to serve rude entitled asshole who come into the cleaners. I do and so will anyone who works for me. This does not make me nor my employees a slave, for these people pay us nicely for my service and if they are really rude they will see a stubborn stain addition to the bill.
Why would MLK have to force a black person to serve him in his time ? Please stick to reality, it helps with preventing you from looking like a complete idiot who enjoys word salad

So you wouldn't force a black person to serve you, on his own property against his will now? Make up your mind.

I'm not an idiot. I mean it's not like I believe you can force a person to serve you against his will and then also claim a position of being opposed to slavery. To believe that requires holding two opposing views at once. Who would do that ?

Justin-case · Jul 11, 2018

Rob Roy said:
So you wouldn't force a black person to serve you, on his own property against his will now? Make up your mind.

I'm not an idiot. I mean it's not like I believe you can force a person to serve you against his will and then also claim I'm opposed to slavery. To believe that requires holding two opposing views at once. Who would do that ?

You've cited an admitted racist pedophile multiple times, don't preach to me about freedom, freak.

londonfog · Jul 11, 2018

Rob Roy said:
So you wouldn't force a black person to serve you, on his own property against his will now? Make up your mind.

I'm not an idiot. I mean it's not like I believe you can force a person to serve you against his will and then also claim a position of being opposed to slavery. To believe that requires holding two opposing views at once. Who would do that ?

I know you like to pretend as you have been doing so ever since your mother use to allow you to dress up in her pretty dresses so you could pretend to be her.
This is not pretend. Blacks in our history were not the one so cruel in their ways that we had to make laws to curve their evil behavior. That Sir goes to your brethren and relatives. I again suggest that you stop with idiotic analogies. We have never had a mass problem or laws allowing blacks to mistreat whites. It was the other way around. Every time you try to say the opposite, it is a slap in the face for those who fight/fought for this injustice to stop.
This same fight for equality helped your own mother to have a better life as well as your alternative lifestyle son.

Oh do you still enjoy dressing like your mother ? What size dresses do you wear. I might be able to send you some left in the cleaner.
After 90 days I give away

Rob Roy · Jul 12, 2018

Justin-case said:
You've cited an admitted racist pedophile multiple times, don't preach to me about freedom, freak.

Not sure what you're referring to here Mental Giantess.

Not preaching to you, but I am wondering if you'd join in with London Fog and force an unwilling black guy to serve you on his own property, against his will?

Rob Roy · Jul 12, 2018

londonfog said:
I know you like to pretend as you have been doing so ever since your mother use to allow you to dress up in her pretty dresses so you could pretend to be her.
This is not pretend. Blacks in our history were not the one so cruel in their ways that we had to make laws to curve their evil behavior. That Sir goes to your brethren and relatives. I again suggest that you stop with idiotic analogies. We have never had a mass problem or laws allowing blacks to mistreat whites. It was the other way around. Every time you try to say the opposite, it is a slap in the face for those who fight/fought for this injustice to stop.
This same fight for equality helped your own mother to have a better life as well as your alternative lifestyle son.

Oh do you still enjoy dressing like your mother ? What size dresses do you wear. I might be able to send you some left in the cleaner.
After 90 days I give away

Nice half point, it almost was pertinent. Sure, government made laws which forcibly segregated people. Of course that was stupid and never should have happened. Individuals of any race who wish to associate, should do so, on a basis the involved people decide. It's called freedom.

Of course the relevant reciprocal of that is, individuals who desire not to associate with others, should not be forcibly made to. It's called freedom.

It's nice that you give away the abandoned dresses, but you really ought to stop pilfering the lingerie and delicate under things from the dryers.

londonfog · Jul 12, 2018

Rob Roy said:
Nice half point, it almost was pertinent. Sure, government made laws which forcibly segregated people. Of course that was stupid and never should have happened. Individuals of any race who wish to associate, should do so, on a basis the involved people decide. It's called freedom.

Of course the relevant reciprocal of that is,, individuals who desire not to associate with others, should not be forcibly made to. It's called freedom.

It's nice that you give away the abandoned dresses, but you really ought to stop pilfering the lingerie and delicate under things from the dryers.

no one forces anyone to associate. you can very well stay in your house, home school you kids, be a fucking hermit, die lonely depressed and sad. You have people who live in the backwoods of West Virginia Appalachian who are a great example of non- association . They do very little associating with outsiders.
Now if you decide to open a business then you have agreed to deal with people , if it is open to the general public, then it will be all people.
Weird as fuck that you say segregation was wrong , but you hold some fuck up segregation views. Your views lead directly to racism and bigotry.

Robbie Roy- Segregation and racism is wrong , but white people should not be force to associate with other races and white people should be allowed not to serve blacks in a public business if they don't want

DO you think we should bring back separate water fountains. That way blacks and whites don't have to associate whilst waiting in line for a drink

Rob Roy · Jul 12, 2018

londonfog said:
no one forces anyone to associate. you can very well stay in your house, home school you kids, be a fucking hermit, die lonely depressed and sad. You have people who live in the backwoods of West Virginia Appalachian who are a great example of non- association . They do very little associating with outsiders.
Now if you decide to open a business then you have agreed to deal with people , if it is open to the general public, then it will be all people.
Weird as fuck that you say segregation was wrong , but you hold some fuck up segregation views. Your views lead directly to racism and bigotry.

Robbie Roy- Segregation and racism is wrong , but white people should not be force to associate with other races and white people should be allowed not to serve blacks in a public business if they don't want

DO you think we should bring back separate water fountains. That way blacks and whites don't have to associate whilst waiting in line for a drink

The common consistent denominator in my point of view is, people should not be forced to do things as long as they leave others alone. No forcible segregation. No forced integration. The involved individuals should always have a say in how they, as individuals, will associate with other people. Intervening forcible third parties, such as "government" should fuck off in both instances.

The common denominator in your point of view is missing. You oppose forcible segregation. (So do I) . Yet, you embrace forcible associations when it suits you.

You hold two opposing views at once, that initiating force is bad and that it is also good. That's like adding extra dirt to try to get stubborn stains out of the soiled dresses you wear to Drag Queen Conventions.

I think drinking fountains should be controlled by the person(s) that owns them. While I don't agree with the concept that "public" drinking fountains are owned by everyone, (that's another debate) most people believe in the "public property" kind of thing.

Consequently, since drinking fountains exist in that sense, I think racial discrimination over drinking fountains was and is despicable. But the whole idea of there being such a thing as the oxymoronic "public property" is probably beyond your scope, since you consistently demonstrate the ability to ignore that you believe in two opposing things at once regarding human interactions. That it is both wrong and right for government to initiate force.

Initiating force against a neutral party is wrong.

londonfog · Jul 12, 2018

Rob Roy said:
The common consistent denominator in my point of view is, people should not be forced to do things as long as they leave others alone. No forcible segregation. No forced integration. The involved individuals should always have a say in how they, as individuals, will associate with other people. Intervening forcible third parties, such as "government" should fuck off in both instances.

The common denominator in your point of view is missing. You oppose forcible segregation. (So do I) . Yet, you embrace forcible associations when it suits you.

You hold two opposing views at once, that initiating force is bad and that it is also good. That's like adding extra dirt to try to get stubborn stains out of the soiled dresses you wear to Drag Queen Conventions.

I think drinking fountains should be controlled by the person(s) that owns them. While I don't agree with the concept that "public" drinking fountains are owned by everyone, (that's another debate) most people believe in the "public property" kind of thing.

Consequently, since drinking fountains exist in that sense, I think racial discrimination over drinking fountains was and is despicable. But the whole idea of there being such a thing as the oxymoronic "public property" is probably beyond your scope, since you consistently demonstrate the ability to ignore that you believe in two opposing things at once regarding human interactions. That it is both wrong and right for government to initiate force.

Initiating force against a neutral party is wrong.

You have a great deal in common with racist and bigots. Good luck with that...NOT

Rob Roy · Jul 12, 2018

londonfog said:
You have a great deal in common with racist and bigots. Good luck with that...NOT

No, I don't have much in common with a racist, I think racism is stupid.

I do think racists have the same right to determine the use of their OWN body and property as anybody else though.

I think they have the same right as anybody else to not be forced into an unwilling human relationship. Of course they have no right to impose on others bodies or property, threatening force for noncompliance. Nobody does, including your superstitious belief in omnipotent government being exempt from this.

Also, I'd never force an unwilling black person to serve me. You would though. Good luck with that.

Justin-case · Jul 12, 2018

Note when rob speaks of racism he's referring to societiety's intolerance of racists like himself. They all do it.

londonfog · Jul 12, 2018

Rob Roy said:
No, I don't have much in common with a racist, I think racism is stupid.

I do think racists have the same right to determine the use of their OWN body and property as anybody else though.

I think they have the same right as anybody else to not be forced into an unwilling human relationship. Of course they have no right to impose on others bodies or property, threatening force for noncompliance. Nobody does, including your superstitious belief in omnipotent government being exempt from this.

Also, I'd never force an unwilling black person to serve me. You would though. Good luck with that.

You believe that white people should have never been forced to serve blacks in a public business. Racists feel the same.
You are against Civil Rights Act of 64. Racist are against this too.
When it come to race relations you hold the same views as a racist.

And to that last sentence I ask you again to stick with reality. No black has ever refused me service. When you attempt to debate and use made up shit, it makes you look foolish. It is the same as asking if your mother was a man would you have to call her daddy. Stick to fucking reality. I know it is hard, cause when doing so it fucks your argument.

Rob Roy · Jul 12, 2018

londonfog said:
You believe that white people should have never been forced to serve blacks in a public business. Racists feel the same.
You are against Civil Rights Act of 64. Racist are against this too.
When it come to race relations you hold the same views as a racist.

And to that last sentence I ask you again to stick with reality. No black has ever refused me service. When you attempt to debate and use made up shit, it makes you look foolish. It is the same as asking if your mother was a man would you have to call her daddy. Stick to fucking reality. I know it is hard, cause when doing so it fucks your argument.

I believe black people own themselves and that nobody, including government people, own them.

I believe that white people own themselves and that nobody, including government people, own them.

You don't believe that. You think government people can be exempted from this and that they have a magical power to force people to disassociate or to force people to associate, when it should really be up to the involved people not a third party who is allowed to use initiatory force and get away with it, because indoctrinated people like you can't tell the difference between defensive force and offensive force. Government IS the embodiment of offensive force.

I sure hope you stop forcing unwilling black people to serve you some day.,you don't have a confederate flag hanging in your garage out near where you keep your secret stash of stolen soiled underwear do you?

londonfog · Jul 12, 2018

Rob Roy said:
I believe black people own themselves and that nobody, including government people, own them.

I believe that white people own themselves and that nobody, including government people, own them.

You don't believe that. You think government people can be exempted from this and that they have a magical power to force people to disassociate or to force people to associate, when it should really be up to the involved people not a third party who is allowed to use initiatory force and get away with it, because indoctrinated people like you can't tell the difference between defensive force and offensive force. Government IS the embodiment of offensive force.

I sure hope you stop forcing unwilling black people to serve you some day.,you don't have a confederate flag hanging in your garage out near where you keep your secret stash of stolen soiled underwear do you?

I see you are unable to deal or argue in reality. I have never been denied service from a black person. That's shit your people do.
As I told you before you would feel different if it was your mother being denied service due only to the fact she is female or son because he is gay. Your mother wanting to simple but an item in the store and is told to get he "bitch ass" out due to her being female, exactly how would you feel ? and please don't come with that nonsense " we would just open our own store ".GTFO

Unclebaldrick · Jul 12, 2018

londonfog said:
no one forces anyone to associate. you can very well stay in your house, home school you kids, be a fucking hermit, die lonely depressed and sad. You have people who live in the backwoods of West Virginia Appalachian who are a great example of non- association . They do very little associating with outsiders.
Now if you decide to open a business then you have agreed to deal with people , if it is open to the general public, then it will be all people.
Weird as fuck that you say segregation was wrong , but you hold some fuck up segregation views. Your views lead directly to racism and bigotry.

Robbie Roy- Segregation and racism is wrong , but white people should not be force to associate with other races and white people should be allowed not to serve blacks in a public business if they don't want

DO you think we should bring back separate water fountains. That way blacks and whites don't have to associate whilst waiting in line for a drink

Why bother telling black people to fuck off when you can do it more subtly and anonymously in the name of the "free market"?

londonfog · Jul 12, 2018

Unclebaldrick said:
Why bother telling black people to fuck off when you can do it more subtly and anonymously in the name of the "free market"?

explain

Unclebaldrick · Jul 12, 2018

londonfog said:
explain

Well let's say you have a town that is predominantly white and they want to exclude blacks. The town can just sort of adopt a "we don't serve blacks" policy at all their white owned businesses and "poof" blacks are pretty much run out of town. The whites can claim "well the free market allows blacks to open their own businesses to serve their people" but in reality, such a business can be shut out of the local economy which drives their costs sky high. So this choice of the free market is really - "get out of town!" but whites can maintain that it was the blacks' choice to leave. So polite.

In theory, blacks can do the same in predominantly black areas but seldom have the economic means to do so. Win-win for racist whites.

londonfog · Jul 12, 2018

Unclebaldrick said:
Well let's say you have a town that is predominantly white and they want to exclude blacks. The town can just sort of adopt a "we don't serve blacks" policy at all their white owned businesses and "poof" blacks are pretty much run out of town. The whites can claim "well the free market allows blacks to open their own businesses to serve their people" but in reality, and such business can be shut out of the local economy drives their costs sky high. So this choice of the free market is really - "get out of town!" but whites can maintain that it was the blacks' choice to leave. So polite.

I see what you are saying, but the free market does not and should not work that way. You should not be allowed to discriminate based on race, color, religion, sex or national origin

ttystikk · Jul 12, 2018

londonfog said:
I see what you are saying, but the free market does not and should not work that way. You should not be allowed to discriminate based on race, color, religion, sex or national origin

And that's why we mercilessly rebut @Rob Roy's drivel every time we see it.

It's wrong, even if the Supreme Court thinks it's okay for bakeries in Colorado to do it.

Ralph Nader interviewed by Chris Hedges

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member