Quantum Boards / Too much Yapping no proof

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HippieDudeRon

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pop22 said:
And there are dozens of side by side, HPS vs QB grows out there and guess what? HPS loses every time! So troll Quantum boards all you want, those of us smart enough to use them sure as hell won't part with them to run acient street light tech!
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Interesting...you didn't even provide one example though stated their are dozens. Did you also storm the capitol yelling read the transcripts while never having read the transcripts...?

Seems simple as it gets...as well as necessary to provide one example of your statement...no?
 
KlompenOG

KlompenOG

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I switched to QB lighting and at the same time I got a bunch of plant pests and other problems. Despite all of that the QB still shows a per-watt improvement over my last setup and I know it can do so much better than it is. So even screwing up a QB setup can be an upgrade over an HID grow. I have a Philips Mastercolor 400W CMH, but I honestly doubt I will ever use it again. I really have no idea what to do with it.
 
Rocket Soul

Rocket Soul

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HippieDudeRon said:
Interesting...you didn't even provide one example though stated their are dozens. Did you also storm the capitol yelling read the transcripts while never having read the transcripts...?

Seems simple as it gets...as well as necessary to provide one example of your statement...no?
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Check out Grandmaster levels led side by side/conversion on YouTube, very informative although a few years old.
Questioning leds is fair: but please bear in mind that most of us who been in the led game for a few years have already seen led beat HPS many times over, for ourselves and online; many of these threads are now a few years old and hard to dig up. For most people following this it's already settled long ago.
The experience in our grow: changing HPS 600w to LEDs we had about 10-15% more yield per tray at about 60% wattage per tray, at 50% wattage we had same yield per tray as 600w HPS: around 600g, 2g/w with led. We've gone from having to cool the grow to actually having to take measures to heat the grow, or at least not losing the heat.
 
V256.420

V256.420

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Rocket Soul said:
Check out Grandmaster levels led side by side/conversion on YouTube, very informative although a few years old.
Questioning leds is fair: but please bear in mind that most of us who been in the led game for a few years have already seen led beat HPS many times over, for ourselves and online; many of these threads are now a few years old and hard to dig up. For most people following this it's already settled long ago.
The experience in our grow: changing HPS 600w to LEDs we had about 10-15% more yield per tray at about 60% wattage per tray, at 50% wattage we had same yield per tray as 600w HPS: around 600g, 2g/w with led. We've gone from having to cool the grow to actually having to take measures to heat the grow, or at least not losing the heat.
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I'll be switching over in a few days. From 660 watts of hps to a Diablo running @ around 450 the first week. I will see for myself in a few months.
 
Rocket Soul

Rocket Soul

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V256.420 said:
I'll be switching over in a few days. From 660 watts of hps to a Diablo running @ around 450 the first week. I will see for myself in a few months.
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Id start softer, and up the temps as you increase intensity. Plants tend to shock easily under LEDs if they aren't used to the light. You could start at 300w and still have more or less the same amount of light as a 600 HPS.
 
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budman410

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Rocket Soul said:
Id start softer, and up the temps as you increase intensity. Plants tend to shock easily under LEDs if they aren't used to the light. You could start at 300w and still have more or less the same amount of light as a 600 HPS.
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That’s a issue I had to recently fix, being a yield chaser had me running my setups counter productive. Even now with these new supp strips I feel like I can run them a little lower. I kept my most recent grow at a lower wattage then usual and it’s been prayer city with no yellowing tops
 
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Blazin Budz

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MrNorth said:
Ok this is my 1 year anniversary with quantum boards.
240 w 400 k ( dimmed ) in 2x4 tent veg.
600 w 3000 k with red and uv (dimmed) 4x4 flower tent.
After using HPS and quantum boards I have to say hps is easier to get big dense buds with. I hear a whole bunch of numbers chucked around from guys who have a lot of gadgets and very little experience ( not many white whiskers on their chin )
Most of the advice you hear about distance from the canopy is absolutely wrong .... you will fry your plants . All this crap about cal mag and on is guys guys putting lights too close ..... its that simple.
After a year and almost 5 crops I will give them this:
1 . They are safer and cooler.
2. They save power .
But , what did you save getting less weight in hard dense bud ? Thats what its about.
A lot of my crop is now only good for making ice hash , then rosin so it doesn’t mold.
4 , 6 , and 1000 hps all grow bigger and more dense tops than Quantum boards.
This is not to say that its the wrong choice because the safety thing is major consideration.
I will continue because my grow is a small legal hobby in canada. My point here is that now that I have a fair bit of experience with both , these guys spouting numbers are doing just that.
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I've used both through many crops over the years. I am now fully transitioned to LED's. Heres my take. I can agree with you on some aspects such as it being harder to grow with LED's. I definitely had to go through a learning curve to get things dialed in. I use almost double the nutrients and Cal-Mag with LED as i did with HPS/CMH.

Also, your particular Quantum board has a very tight set of diodes, thats why you burn your plants easily and think people are wrong about canopy distance. I use those same boards as well as some other boards from HLG and I hang them high through the whole grow. I never adjust the height.

As far as your bud formation and quality, that has to be user error. My buds are arguably more dense now and my yields crush my HPS/CMH yields with less wattage. Theres a million factors that could cause your problems but usually with the switch over to LED's, people don't run high enough temps and don't push their plants hard enough with nutes. Its damn near impossible to grow 100% organic without supplementing any nutrients with these HLG QB's.
 
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a mongo frog

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Blazin Budz said:
I've used both through many crops over the years. I am now fully transitioned to LED's. Heres my take. I can agree with you on some aspects such as it being harder to grow with LED's. I definitely had to go through a learning curve to get things dialed in. I use almost double the nutrients and Cal-Mag with LED as i did with HPS/CMH.

Also, your particular Quantum board has a very tight set of diodes, thats why you burn your plants easily and think people are wrong about canopy distance. I use those same boards as well as some other boards from HLG and I hang them high through the whole grow. I never adjust the height.

As far as your bud formation and quality, that has to be user error. My buds are arguably more dense now and my yields crush my HPS/CMH yields with less wattage. Theres a million factors that could cause your problems but usually with the switch over to LED's, people don't run high enough temps and don't push their plants hard enough with nutes. Its damn near impossible to grow 100% organic without supplementing any nutrients with these HLG QB's.
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Wait! Really?
 
V256.420

V256.420

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Blazin Budz said:
I've used both through many crops over the years. I am now fully transitioned to LED's. Heres my take. I can agree with you on some aspects such as it being harder to grow with LED's. I definitely had to go through a learning curve to get things dialed in. I use almost double the nutrients and Cal-Mag with LED as i did with HPS/CMH.

Also, your particular Quantum board has a very tight set of diodes, thats why you burn your plants easily and think people are wrong about canopy distance. I use those same boards as well as some other boards from HLG and I hang them high through the whole grow. I never adjust the height.

As far as your bud formation and quality, that has to be user error. My buds are arguably more dense now and my yields crush my HPS/CMH yields with less wattage. Theres a million factors that could cause your problems but usually with the switch over to LED's, people don't run high enough temps and don't push their plants hard enough with nutes. Its damn near impossible to grow 100% organic without supplementing any nutrients with these HLG QB's.
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I'm thinking of getting a quality meter that shows ppfd and vpd to help with the learning curve in flower. Any suggestions?
 
DoubleAtotheRON

DoubleAtotheRON

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You can def burn your canopy with LED if you’re not used to it. I’ve had some crops that I never moved the lights, and some (like the current one), I had to raise because we’re on new strains, and they stretched more than I thought they would. But, in the end, your gonna waste more energy trying to make the same dense buds with HPS than with LED. ... and when I say LED, I mean good ones. HLG, Timber, etc. no blurps.
 
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HippieDudeRon

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Rocket Soul said:
Check out Grandmaster levels led side by side/conversion on YouTube, very informative although a few years old.
Questioning leds is fair: but please bear in mind that most of us who been in the led game for a few years have already seen led beat HPS many times over, for ourselves and online; many of these threads are now a few years old and hard to dig up. For most people following this it's already settled long ago.
The experience in our grow: changing HPS 600w to LEDs we had about 10-15% more yield per tray at about 60% wattage per tray, at 50% wattage we had same yield per tray as 600w HPS: around 600g, 2g/w with led. We've gone from having to cool the grow to actually having to take measures to heat the grow, or at least not losing the heat.
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You assumptions about me are...well you know the sayings about assuming.

As for what I asked about in reference to the the thread and topic...you haven't shown anything and not sure why its that hard based on the previous statements in this thread and current attitude of your responses.

Not sure why you feel the need to focus on me, but would suggest you stop trying to bring me into this as if you know a darn thing about me...or that I even matter to the question at hand of where are the side by side. So because I asked to see the claimed dozens I am an HPS using troll? That's your response to where are the dozens of side by sides?

Statement was "And there are dozens of side by side, HPS vs QB grows out there and guess what? HPS loses every time" Why is it so hard to back that up with 1, maybe 2 of the "dozens" available???
 
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budman410

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HippieDudeRon said:
You assumptions about me are...well you know the sayings about assuming.

As for what I asked about in reference to the the thread and topic...you haven't shown anything and not sure why its that hard based on the previous statements in this thread and current attitude of your responses.

Not sure why you feel the need to focus on me, but would suggest you stop trying to bring me into this as if you know a darn thing about me...or that I even matter to the question at hand of where are the side by side. So because I asked to see the claimed dozens I am an HPS using troll? That's your response to where are the dozens of side by sides?

Statement was "And there are dozens of side by side, HPS vs QB grows out there and guess what? HPS loses every time" Why is it so hard to back that up with 1, maybe 2 of the "dozens" available???
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Bro go and take a tote and chill, in writing even your first response on this post was a lil snarky. He gave you that 1 to go look up. I switched over a year or so ago from hps and I’m sure many of these other led guys switched over years before. We are more focused on comparing diode bins, spectrums, and environment with led. I was tempted to search and drop the threads for you but I rather just tell you to go check it out. Try different keywords in the search bar and your going to find plenty of examples on this topic. Are they super scientific many are not. But there’s a reason I’ll rather raise my temps in the winter with other ways then just using a HPS. Just accept that smart TVs are better then those fat backs from 20 years ago
 
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HippieDudeRon

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budman410 said:
Bro go and take a tote and chill, in writing even your first response on this post was a lil snarky. He gave you that 1 to go look up. I switched over a year or so ago from hps and I’m sure many of these other led guys switched over years before. We are more focused on comparing diode bins, spectrums, and environment with led. I was tempted to search and drop the threads for you but I rather just tell you to go check it out. Try different keywords in the search bar and your going to find plenty of examples on this topic. Are they super scientific many are not. But there’s a reason I’ll rather raise my temps in the winter with other ways then just using a HPS. Just accept that smart TVs are better then those fat backs from 20 years ago
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Cool man, not sure what you are contributing, or why you assume anything about me or what I grow with or not??? Cause you are pretty off base on me from your assumptious statements. But anyways...what do I have to do with someone claiming dozens of side by sides and nobody coming in with a single cited one?

Notice how many people say it's clear as day, yet are having so much trouble showing basic proof that they already claimed exist. I'm not asking for anything other than what I dude said exist, and more have claimed that, but nobody has it???

I have no intent other than... I saw a guy claim "dozens of side by side showing HPS losing every time to LEDs"....and I want to see those. Just a couple of the dozens would be great. Why is it wrong that someone wants to see that? what is asking for that mean I don't want to appreciate that?? I am a troll cause I want to see LEDs winning? cause I asked for them means I don't believe they are I out in the world somewhere...somewhere you all claim to be so common knowledge but can't get a few examples?

So again ladies and gentlemen, where are the cool side by side grows and studies?
 
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