Putting bubbles in your 'ponics

Thats DEFENETLY what im gonna be doing

blueybong said:

Let's not hijack this thread more than we have

Yes, you can put the RW directly into the system.

I use the 1.5" RW cubes.

Go over to the Bubbleponic thread for more info or to ask questions.

Good luck!

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Man yall need to do research on ROCKWOOL.LOL..
it is dangerous if your around it all day breating in the dusts its got in it...it contains a dust in it that can bring harmful shit(salt compounds if im ot mistakin) into the rez...Thats why they tell you to pre-soak it.

zigzag6 said:

I know about the airstones running 24/7
But the water 24/7 , won't that kill the germinated seed ?

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nah..put the tube on the side of the RW...When the roots get long enough..take everything out,,or you can leave the pump in to pump out the old water..

Taking the pump out when the roots hit water makes me tend to beleive that it makes the roots strive harder to grow(find their water source)

purpdaddy said:

nah..put the tube on the side of the RW...When the roots get long enough..take everything out,,or you can leave the pump in to pump out the old water..

Taking the pump out when the roots hit water makes me tend to beleive that it makes the roots strive harder to grow(find their water source)

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Like Illegal Smile said , why spend an extra 25$ for a pump that is not really needed . So i'll just put Bubbles.

zigzag6 said:

Like Illegal Smile said , why spend an extra 25$ for a pump that is not really needed . So i'll just put Bubbles.

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Well considering the fact that you have to have bubbles to keep the roots oxygenated....

Because yu know your plant is being fed CONSTANTLY instead of relying on sum bubbles? What if the bubbles aint poppin underneath the cup that day or that week what ya gonna do? So yall can MAKE your oxygen flow in the direction you want it under water? Id rather KNOW my plant is getting fed FOR SURE than guessing. All u need is one small airstone and air pump..You dont need all these bubbles like everyone claims...Thats meant to keep the roots from drowning..not feed your plant.

purpdaddy said:

Well All u need is one small airstone and air pump..You dont need all these bubbles like everyone claims...Thats meant to keep the roots from drowning..not feed your plant.

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Your saying that the plants will not benefit or show any change from being subjected to increased dissolved oxygen?

I just ordered a new 950GPH air pump..

From the opening post of the DWC Grow Club thread by onthedl008 over a year ago:

"Which brings me to the second rule. DWC = Deep Water Culture. Point being. Our plants roots live and grow submerged in water. There are no other needs for any extra attachements and gadgets such as aero and drip. Every true secret DWC grower knows they can manipulate these systems to mimmick all the styles inside there reservoirs. Which brings me to the second rule of DWC club.
Drip rarely only tastes good when its leaving the sinus cavity."

The submerged pump is just a variation on drip designed not to improve the grow, but to allow for a trademark on a gimmick to sell "bubbleponics" kits.

So the point would be that either system will work. Just a matter of choice, right? DWC with bubbles or bubbleponics with drip. But in the end, both systems will have the same results, the roots living and receiving nutes from the water and bubbles, and both need lots of bubbles. BTW, I chose to do a DWC system.

Concord Dawn said:

So the point would be that either system will work. Just a matter of choice, right? DWC with bubbles or bubbleponics with drip. But in the end, both systems will have the same results, the roots living and receiving nutes from the water and bubbles, and both need lots of bubbles. BTW, I chose to do a DWC system.

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There are many systems and approaches and they ALL work, or we would never hear about them. And the differences between them probably are a matter of personal preferences more than anything.

I have almost the same system. Do you run your air pump 24 hours? I do, but I was told that I didn't need to. What do you recommend?

WolfScott said:

I have almost the same system. Do you run your air pump 24 hours? I do, but I was told that I didn't need to. What do you recommend?

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Yes, run the air pump 24/7 for the whole grow, it also helps to oxygenate the water even after the roots reach it.

cool thanks I will keep it running 24/7 then.. thanks

So in the end everything works.

1.Only bubbles
2.Bubbles and feeder tubes.

It's your grow !!

Grow what you want,When you want,How you want

Actually wolf...you asked about a drip system......no mention of bubblers..........

But since he brought it up....have any of you guys tried a 15 min on/15 off timer with your air pump......... When he asked about drip timing I told him about my aero cloner, which I found works better 15 on/15 off than constant......It never lets the clones dry, but I think near drying makes the roots go look for water sooner...... It might be rougher on an air pump than a water pump because of the back pressure from the water, but an anti-siphon/one way valve should help that... Once the roots are in the water, I wouldn't see any benefit at all......but to help those roots get a jump until then, a little "dry" spell might help them. I quoted it because you obviously never want dry, when it comes to a root dry=dead.....still solution available...they just have to reach out instead of being spoon fed. I'm intrigued that I don't see mention of damping off.....does it never happen or is that where the touch comes in with controlling the bubble spit, for lack of a better term?

I won't claim any appreciable knowledge of dwc or bubblers........I did make a diy bubble cloner but my stones clogged constantly and I could hear the airpumps vibration more than the ballasts from my lights.....so I gave up on it. But bubble is basically poor man's aero and I guess dwc kinda grew out of the roots in the rez on some of those aero setups as well..........so if it works for aero, why not bubble? I believe it's the "Harvest a lb every 3 weeks" post that says his secret is the nft timer at 1 min on/5 off.....spray 'em, let 'em breath, spray 'em, ditto...

Yeah, I hear ya...if it ain't broke don't fix it........but it couldn't hurt to try it out with a cheapo air pump, small tub and single plant....if it makes the roots grow to the water faster, it'd be a good thing, wouldn't it?

Mr.Bob Saget said:

Well how loud is loud?? I was about to order that Sunleaves 950GPH because you can't beat the price for $35.00 for the amount of air that is pumping. I'm guessing this thing sounds like a mini compressor.

Starting to think for the amount of sound its going to make it might not be worth it..

Illegal cant you be more descriptive?

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I can be.

I have 2 of them running in my BEDROOM (where my plants veg) and the noise is more than tolerable. I know they are on, but it is not very loud, well, not as loud as some make them seem to be. Put it this way, I cannot hear them outside the room when the door is closed.

You just have to play around with them about and try mounting them in different ways and in various places. Makes a huge difference.

2 questions of my own. This is my 1st grow and am now ready to transport to my flowering system.

#1. I built my system a bit larger and deeper than it needed to be (it's a homemade box). So it would take me 200+ gallons to fill it up completely. I simply cannot do that, especially if I am to use R/O water (thinking I will just use my tap water and hard water nutes though either way). SO, would it be OK to fill it only half way OR less? Can 50%+ of the roots dangle in the air only catching the mist from the bubbles? Will my yield suffer if so? Is it necessary or best to submerce all or most of the roots in water?

#2. Once I fill it up (if I had to), how long could I stretch it where I don't change out and clean my reservoir? IF I could get away with filling it up initially and then just adding a small amount daily, then it wouldnt be so bad. But if I had to drain and refill every single week or two, then it would be a real miserable pain in the ass (and probably not possible if I am filling it all the way up). Would adding H2O2 help prolong the time between cleanings/water changing? How long would be too long(the entire 8 weeks of flowering? 1 month? 3 weeks?)?

I am glad I changed my plans from using a water pump in an aeroponic or drip system, but the one issue I see with DWC is the need to use so much water. Unless of course you tell me that I don't need to fill it up as high as I am thinking I should.