Prove to you There's a God?

olylifter420 said:
Used forever for references , what im trying to say is when will new laws and theories be developed such as the work of darwin
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Hey, Oly. Darwin's work and theories are the foundation of evolution by natural selection. Since his theory was correct, there won't be a competing theory to replace it, only work by others to build upon and refine it (i.e. advancing DNA/RNA methods, etc..).
 
thats what im saying, why cant there be other stuff developed that competes with those laws and theories?

maybe not in our time right?
 
olylifter420 said:
thats what im saying, why cant there be other stuff developed that competes with those laws and theories?

maybe not in our time right?
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It's for the same reason we do not have competing theories of what 2+2 equals; because the one we have is right. Do not think of Darwin's work as laws and theories, but as an interpretation of what Darwin observed and tested. His interpretation was largely correct, more so than he could imagine. We do have other interpretations, but they do not stand up to critical analysis.
 
Understood, but what im trying to think of is will there ever be something that will rock the cradle so to speak... something so ground breaking that it just one up's everything we have ever believed... pretty far fetched thinking, this trainwreck has got me on, lol...

on another note, i saw a heis copy cat, but with 2 g's at the end...



Heisenberg said:
It's for the same reason we do not have competing theories of what 2+2 equals; because the one we have is right. Do not think of Darwin's work as laws and theories, but as an interpretation of what Darwin observed and tested. His interpretation was largely correct, more so than he could imagine. We do have other interpretations, but they do not stand up to critical analysis.
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olylifter420 said:
Understood, but what im trying to think of is will there ever be something that will rock the cradle so to speak... something so ground breaking that it just one up's everything we have ever believed... pretty far fetched thinking, this trainwreck has got me on, lol...

on another note, i saw a heis copy cat, but with 2 g's at the end...
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As the great biologist J B S Haldane growled when asked what might disprove evolution: "Fossil rabbits in the pre-Cambrian..."
 
olylifter420 said:
Understood, but what im trying to think of is will there ever be something that will rock the cradle so to speak... something so ground breaking that it just one up's everything we have ever believed... pretty far fetched thinking, this trainwreck has got me on, lol...

on another note, i saw a heis copy cat, but with 2 g's at the end...
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I think there could still be a few things that will rock the evolutionary world. We find small discoveries every year, like the recent finding that raptors probably had feathers. I am not informed enough about evolution to suggest some likely discoveries that are waiting out there to blow our minds, perhaps MP could suggests a few.
 
Hepheastus420 said:
what leads you to believe that dude?
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Because we are looking. Technology moves fast, we might be only a few decades away from finding it, if in fact life is common. There is some wishfull thinking too but I think that makes more sense than that life is rare, especially considering some of the scenarios by exobiologists. Advanced life I'm sure is pretty rare, at least in our immediate area. But how cool would it be to find life that can live in the methane seas on Titan or in the liquid water on Enceladus!
 
Padawanbater2 said:
Wouldnt biology as we know it remain consistent with observation? Aliens would still evolve in the same way we do, right?
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Yes, but they might have a different genetic chemistry, even if subtly different from the essentially monolithic DNA chemistry every living thing from/on Earth has. Maybe a different palette of amino acids. That would indeed rock biochemnistry! cn
 
Padawanbater2 said:
Wouldnt biology as we know it remain consistent with observation? Aliens would still evolve in the same way we do, right?
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I think it's reasonable to say that aliens would evolve via natural selection, but there's no telling what environmental pressures they would endure so there's no way to determine how they would evolve.
 
cannabineer said:
Yes, but they might have a different genetic chemistry, even if subtly different from the essentially monolithic DNA chemistry every living thing from/on Earth has. Maybe a different palette of amino acids. That would indeed rock biochemnistry! cn
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I think a new type of replicating molecule different than DNA would be really incredible but a different set of nucleotides would also create a lot of questions and interesting investigations.
 
I always thought it was odd when you'd see an alien on tv or in a movie and it looked like a human only slightly different and could speak English rofl!
 
cannabineer said:
Yes, but they might have a different genetic chemistry, even if subtly different from the essentially monolithic DNA chemistry every living thing from/on Earth has. Maybe a different palette of amino acids. That would indeed rock biochemnistry! cn
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...in a symbolic sense (I know, I know... :) ) I like the 666 of the carbon atom. If I further that thought I see 777 as alien, 888 as christic, and 999 as all. I wonder what that would look like chemically. (einsteinium to the 9th?) ...no superscript for the apple nerds in the forum, that I know of :cuss: :lol:
 
Science has already discovered that life can survive in places here on Earth, where we once thought it couldn't http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/Top-Ten-Places-Where-Life-Shouldnt-Exist-But-Does.html How cool is that?

I love how someone on here said, as I do too "I knew nothing until I knew I know nothing"

I used to be very religious, you know thumpin away at Genesis - Revelation(NO FREAKING S), but then one days I actually read the book!

What makes you think science is going to be rocked with some new discovery? The practice of science is by it's very objective in search of things that will shack, rattle, and role the whole scientific community. LOL
 
labudman said:
Science has already discovered that life can survive in places here on Earth, where we once thought it couldn't http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/Top-Ten-Places-Where-Life-Shouldnt-Exist-But-Does.html How cool is that?

I love how someone on here said, as I do too "I knew nothing until I knew I know nothing"

I used to be very religious, you know thumpin away at Genesis - Revelation(NO FREAKING S), but then one days I actually read the book!

What makes you think science is going to be rocked with some new discovery? The practice of science is by it's very objective in search of things that will shake, rattle, and roll the whole scientific community. LOL
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Not "some new discovery"; I don't think that's the topic.
For me it's about finding a non-terrestrial biochemistry.
I cannot imagine a different chemistry, even slightly different, for the genetic mechanism ... not any that does the coding job and still conforms to the rules of chemistry.
So when one day one is found ... it will be a triumph of reality over the limits of imagination.
It would definitely and significantly expand the boundaries of living chemistry, which is a topic that has always held me in thrall.

I'm hoping Mars or Europa will turn up local native organisms, something like bacteria or archaea. Otherwise I'll have to hold out (im ny imagination) for sending probes to likely stars. cn
 
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