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Katatawnic

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Thanks Purp! :hug: I just looked up Cannazym, and it's very similar to Hygrozyme. Comparable price too; the Hygrozyme is actually the more expensive of the two. And you can't use peroxide with Cannazym, but can with Hygrozyme. (Once having used peroxide, you need to keep using it for the duration of those plants' lives, because it kills dangerous and beneficial bacteria; therefore stopping its use increases the risk of infection/disease.) Perhaps the Cannazym does something that peroxide also does? I'd have to research it more, for future reference. No sense in buying another bottle of pretty much the same thing! :lol: The Rhizotonic looks good too, but I'm way too broke to get two different products right now.... getting even a halfway decent setup going for growing is more expensive than I'd thought it would be!

Hmmm, reading up more on Hygrozyme, Cannazym, and Rhizotonic (there are links with a lot more info, but these three are all on the same site and there's enough basic info to compare them).... Cannazym says to start using the second week of cultivation, whereas Hygrozyme is also used for grow media such as rockwool, seedlings, and cuttings. Can be used for foliar spray "to enhance protein development and increase photosynthesis" as well. It looks like Hygrozyme does pretty much all that Cannazym and Rhizotonic do, combined. (Rhizotonic says also for seedlings and foliar spraying.)

So far it appears that Hygrozyme was a good choice. Definitely a much less expensive one, when combining the two Canna products for the same functions. (Or at least basically. No two brands are ever the same, of course.) You might want to look it up if you ever get a problem, or if you just want to ensure that your reservoir stays much cleaner between drainings by breaking down dead plant matter and recycling it into food for the plants.

I'm so glad you told me about these. Always good to read all you can, and find out everything that's out there! I feel better now that the Hygrozyme should help this situation enough to most likely prevent me from having to cut and re-root my babies! With other stuff out there made for the same purposes, it gave me more to research. If I'd have known about these products when I was gardening all those years before, I probably wouldn't have had to cut plants due to pythium! Oh well, live and learn, eh? :mrgreen:
 
Katatawnic

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I spent three and a half hours on these suckers today! I was going to see if I could get away with not draining the reservoir today, but a thorough check showed tons of gunk and root.... the peroxide had killed a lot, and what had been taken care of was sitting on the bottom. This is a good sign after using peroxide in the water, because it shows that it's been doing its work; you end up with a mess in the reservoir before it's all clean. I almost went ahead with cutting the plants and re-rooting them, but then decided to transplant them into new hydroton and net pots first and see what that would do. It really looks like I've gotten everything infected and even at risk of infection! :clap:

First I put the lid on my empty bin and sprayed the roots with peroxide solution, then let them soak while I proceeded to clean and sterilize the reservoir, pumps, and air stones. Then came the plants. When I emptied the first one, I was so glad I went this route! The bottom 1/2 to 2/3 of the roots inside of the hydroton were infected, and there's just no way I'd have been able to get this under control enough without removing all the gunky portions of the roots and transplanting the plants into new hydroton and net pots. I trimmed off every bit of root that was infected, weak, and/or discolored.

So once everything was cleaned and sterilized or else replaced, I was finally able to give them nutes for the first time in three days. (Kinda hard to feed them when the water has to be constantly drained!) The lowest leaves have some yellowing, which looks exactly like nutrient deficiency. Everything is put back together, they've got nutes now, and it's as clean as if it were brand new. The plants themselves also got a very deep cleansing. Air temperature is 79F, reservior temp is 71F, humidity is 54%, pH is 5.9.

Got two photos before camera's batteries died. (Thought I had the other set in the charger, but forgot last night. lol) A before and after of one of the plants' roots. They're not as clear as I'd like them to be, but you can still see what goes on with pythium inside of the hydroton; hidden from view! OH, and the "after" photo wasn't the end result.... I took that shot while I had some peroxide solution soaking on it, and when I went to rinse and inspect it for any missed damage, the rockwool washed off too. So what went into the fresh hydroton was nothing but stem and clean roots. Not a lot of roots now, but the strongest of them (the "foundation" so to speak) are still intact and strong.

So far there hasn't been any gunk or discoloration of anything. It smells like sweet carrots and red cabbage (to me anyhow; the smell of fresh roots in the reservoir makes me think of cole slaw before adding condiments). And aside from the yellowing due to lack of nutrients, the foliage is still bright green and perky. Only time will tell, but it really looks like I got everything.

Now if you'll excuse me, the rest of my day will likely have to be spent lying down and jacked on pain medication. :lol:
These little critters better know all I've gone through to save them, and pay me back in kind! :mrgreen:
 

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Solcyn26

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Damn i hope all works out for u
i had some problems with brown roots in the aerogarden but i found out it was the nutes i was using...they were staining the roots..i got lucky

i added a bunch of new pics on my grow stop by and take a look when u get a chance thier getting really dank now
 
Katatawnic

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Well, the leaves that were yellowing the most died, which I was expecting. A week with hardly any nutrients at all will do that. I removed them, and trimmed what was dead on the bottom two nodes (only because it's hard to tell if it's spreading or not without removing all that's dead). No roots coming out of the net pots yet, but when I put some hydroton back in place this afternoon, I could see some new root growth inside. I didn't think there was any new foliage growth the last few days, but upon taking some photos and comparing them to the one taken six days ago, there indeed has been growth. Which kinda surprised me, since they're basically starting over in so many ways. I think they're gonna be OK. :D

The Hygrozyme still hasn't arrived! Trying to be patient, but come on already! :lol:
 

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just hold tight girl they look like there just gettin over stress they should b good till it gets there
 
Katatawnic

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Plants have remained healthy, aside from a small amount of additional yellowing on the lowest leaves. But no further yellowing has been noted in a few days. However, I've still had to be extremely vigilant with the pythium issue. This is directly due to heat, which I've battled as much as I possibly can without buying another air conditioning unit.... which is simply not financially possible. I've got a 6" inline fan on order from Home Depot; went there to get one, but turns out it's a "special order" item, so I've gotta wait for that. I just keep the tent open, will be able to close it once the fan is delivered and installed.

I decided I was going to either build an aero-sprayer so that the roots no longer sit in the water, or else simply switch to soil. Drew up a "blue print plan" for the aero-sprayer, went to two nurseries and a hydro shop, and they all said the same thing: in my area (very hot desert valley in So. CA), many growers switch from hydro to soil at least for the summer. Unless you can afford a home in a more "upscale" neighborhood, you'll likely have an evaporative cooler instead of central air. This doesn't cool the house as much, but makes for a much more affordable electric bill. Well, my window a/c unit is right by my grow tent (meaning my living room is very hot; my plants get much better treatment than I do! lol), and still I can't get the temp lower than "manageable".... never optimal. (High during the day about 81F, and it has peaked higher a few times.) This means a constant fight to keep the reservoir below 72F. I got to where I was setting a kitchen timer for 30 minutes all day and night, to swap a new frozen water bottle and refreeze the last used one. My freezer has been full of water bottles! :lol: And still I couldn't get the reservoir temp below 72F. (Just moments over a half hour, and it would jump to 76F or higher!) I just can't physically handle this anymore, and honestly wouldn't want to if I was more able! So, I switched to soil yesterday. Honestly, this is so much less work! Water every couple/few days, add nutrients every other watering, and that's IT aside from topping/training! Plus, with the roots now in soil, I'm "messing" with the plants less anyway. :mrgreen:

On the 16th, two of the four plants showed roots extending from the net pots. (Best thing I saw in over a week!) By the next morning, the other two also did, and all four of the plants had roots in the water already. So they're doing OK with all that's gone on. Growth a bit slower still, which is to be expected after going without nutrients for a week and all the root-related issues. But still more growth all the same.

And this is interesting.... the air temperature in the tent is lower today than yesterday, and yet the weather is hotter today. (It's 103F right now, with the "feels like" at 108F.) Today's peak was at 79F, for less than an hour. Aside from the peak, it's been around 74F today. I'm guessing it's got to do with hydro having so much water in there, as water can cool but can also heat up an area. I don't know for sure as I'm not a meteorologist. :lol: Just guessing.

A friend of mine loaned me his drill so I could build an aero-sprayer, so before I get it back to him I'm going to drill holes in the rims of the pots, so that I can LST my plants when they're tall enough. BTW, the plants now will have more room before they can start crowding each other, as the pots (3 gal) are 10" in diameter. Also, I wasn't going to LST in the BP because there really isn't a lot of room for doing this, whereas now there's plenty of room for LST.

Got a puppy last weekend, so that Missy (who has separation anxiety) can have a companion. Husky/Shepard/Chow mix. Gonna be a beauty! Named her Hazel, cause her eyes are.... well.... hazel! :lol: (That's not a common eye color for dogs. Her eyes have a lot of green tint to them! They're "oddly" pretty.)

So, there ya have it!
 

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Katatawnic said:
Plants have remained healthy, aside from a small amount of additional yellowing on the lowest leaves. But no further yellowing has been noted in a few days. However, I've still had to be extremely vigilant with the pythium issue. This is directly due to heat, which I've battled as much as I possibly can without buying another air conditioning unit.... which is simply not financially possible. I've got a 6" inline fan on order from Home Depot; went there to get one, but turns out it's a "special order" item, so I've gotta wait for that. I just keep the tent open, will be able to close it once the fan is delivered and installed.

I decided I was going to either build an aero-sprayer so that the roots no longer sit in the water, or else simply switch to soil. Drew up a "blue print plan" for the aero-sprayer, went to two nurseries and a hydro shop, and they all said the same thing: in my area (very hot desert valley in So. CA), many growers switch from hydro to soil at least for the summer. Unless you can afford a home in a more "upscale" neighborhood, you'll likely have an evaporative cooler instead of central air. This doesn't cool the house as much, but makes for a much more affordable electric bill. Well, my window a/c unit is right by my grow tent (meaning my living room is very hot; my plants get much better treatment than I do! lol), and still I can't get the temp lower than "manageable".... never optimal. (High during the day about 81F, and it has peaked higher a few times.) This means a constant fight to keep the reservoir below 72F. I got to where I was setting a kitchen timer for 30 minutes all day and night, to swap a new frozen water bottle and refreeze the last used one. My freezer has been full of water bottles! :lol: And still I couldn't get the reservoir temp below 72F. (Just moments over a half hour, and it would jump to 76F or higher!) I just can't physically handle this anymore, and honestly wouldn't want to if I was more able! So, I switched to soil yesterday. Honestly, this is so much less work! Water every couple/few days, add nutrients every other watering, and that's IT aside from topping/training! Plus, with the roots now in soil, I'm "messing" with the plants less anyway. :mrgreen:

On the 16th, two of the four plants showed roots extending from the net pots. (Best thing I saw in over a week!) By the next morning, the other two also did, and all four of the plants had roots in the water already. So they're doing OK with all that's gone on. Growth a bit slower still, which is to be expected after going without nutrients for a week and all the root-related issues. But still more growth all the same.

And this is interesting.... the air temperature in the tent is lower today than yesterday, and yet the weather is hotter today. (It's 103F right now, with the "feels like" at 108F.) Today's peak was at 79F, for less than an hour. Aside from the peak, it's been around 74F today. I'm guessing it's got to do with hydro having so much water in there, as water can cool but can also heat up an area. I don't know for sure as I'm not a meteorologist. :lol: Just guessing.

A friend of mine loaned me his drill so I could build an aero-sprayer, so before I get it back to him I'm going to drill holes in the rims of the pots, so that I can LST my plants when they're tall enough. BTW, the plants now will have more room before they can start crowding each other, as the pots (3 gal) are 10" in diameter. Also, I wasn't going to LST in the BP because there really isn't a lot of room for doing this, whereas now there's plenty of room for LST.

Got a puppy last weekend, so that Missy (who has separation anxiety) can have a companion. Husky/Shepard/Chow mix. Gonna be a beauty! Named her Hazel, cause her eyes are.... well.... hazel! :lol: (That's not a common eye color for dogs. Her eyes have a lot of green tint to them! They're "oddly" pretty.)

So, there ya have it!
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kat lookin good!!!! thats a cute puppy u got:) check out my thread just added new pics https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/205127-zona-mid-aero-cfl-grow-22.html#post2760893 :peace:
 
FoxCompany426

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Katatawnic said:
Plants have remained healthy, aside from a small amount of additional yellowing on the lowest leaves. But no further yellowing has been noted in a few days. However, I've still had to be extremely vigilant with the pythium issue. This is directly due to heat, which I've battled as much as I possibly can without buying another air conditioning unit.... which is simply not financially possible. I've got a 6" inline fan on order from Home Depot; went there to get one, but turns out it's a "special order" item, so I've gotta wait for that. I just keep the tent open, will be able to close it once the fan is delivered and installed.

I decided I was going to either build an aero-sprayer so that the roots no longer sit in the water, or else simply switch to soil. Drew up a "blue print plan" for the aero-sprayer, went to two nurseries and a hydro shop, and they all said the same thing: in my area (very hot desert valley in So. CA), many growers switch from hydro to soil at least for the summer. Unless you can afford a home in a more "upscale" neighborhood, you'll likely have an evaporative cooler instead of central air. This doesn't cool the house as much, but makes for a much more affordable electric bill. Well, my window a/c unit is right by my grow tent (meaning my living room is very hot; my plants get much better treatment than I do! lol), and still I can't get the temp lower than "manageable".... never optimal. (High during the day about 81F, and it has peaked higher a few times.) This means a constant fight to keep the reservoir below 72F. I got to where I was setting a kitchen timer for 30 minutes all day and night, to swap a new frozen water bottle and refreeze the last used one. My freezer has been full of water bottles! :lol: And still I couldn't get the reservoir temp below 72F. (Just moments over a half hour, and it would jump to 76F or higher!) I just can't physically handle this anymore, and honestly wouldn't want to if I was more able! So, I switched to soil yesterday. Honestly, this is so much less work! Water every couple/few days, add nutrients every other watering, and that's IT aside from topping/training! Plus, with the roots now in soil, I'm "messing" with the plants less anyway. :mrgreen:

On the 16th, two of the four plants showed roots extending from the net pots. (Best thing I saw in over a week!) By the next morning, the other two also did, and all four of the plants had roots in the water already. So they're doing OK with all that's gone on. Growth a bit slower still, which is to be expected after going without nutrients for a week and all the root-related issues. But still more growth all the same.

And this is interesting.... the air temperature in the tent is lower today than yesterday, and yet the weather is hotter today. (It's 103F right now, with the "feels like" at 108F.) Today's peak was at 79F, for less than an hour. Aside from the peak, it's been around 74F today. I'm guessing it's got to do with hydro having so much water in there, as water can cool but can also heat up an area. I don't know for sure as I'm not a meteorologist. :lol: Just guessing.

A friend of mine loaned me his drill so I could build an aero-sprayer, so before I get it back to him I'm going to drill holes in the rims of the pots, so that I can LST my plants when they're tall enough. BTW, the plants now will have more room before they can start crowding each other, as the pots (3 gal) are 10" in diameter. Also, I wasn't going to LST in the BP because there really isn't a lot of room for doing this, whereas now there's plenty of room for LST.

Got a puppy last weekend, so that Missy (who has separation anxiety) can have a companion. Husky/Shepard/Chow mix. Gonna be a beauty! Named her Hazel, cause her eyes are.... well.... hazel! :lol: (That's not a common eye color for dogs. Her eyes have a lot of green tint to them! They're "oddly" pretty.)

So, there ya have it!
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Shit, the temps that you're running in your res are not bad at all. Right around 70 should be perfect.
 
Katatawnic

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First off, RE: your post in your thread about the ideas you've got going on for your grow room once you've bought a house.... get outta my head!!! :lol: Seriously, it's almost 100% identical to what I've been planning, including a separate "experiment" area. Then I can give in to my "I wonder what would happen if...." urges! :mrgreen: Once we have a house and I've got a grow room, I'll keep using my tent for drying and curing; perfect for darkness and circulation enough for this purpose. I can also use the tent for growing/harvesting males whenever I've got a male plant with traits I'd like to keep for future seeds. :D

FoxCompany426 said:
Shit, the temps that you're running in your res are not bad at all. Right around 70 should be perfect.
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Very true Fox, but it was a true struggle to keep the reservoir at 72F, and that was with replacing frozen water bottles every half hour all 18 hours the lights are on daily! (When you have trouble getting up/down from your recliner, and half the time need a cane to get around the house, this goes from frustrating to extremely difficult.) Having aggressively fought a pythium outbreak for eight days, and still battling to keep it from coming back, I'm not physically able (nor any longer willing) to do all it's taken to just keep it barely under control, but not eradicating it. All of this is directly due to heat control issues, which can't be remedied any further until we've bought a house and can start spending on other things again.

Unless growing with soil continues to be less physical work, I'll be going back to hydro (1.) after October when the weather is tolerable again, and (2.) when we're able to scrounge up enough money for a larger A/C unit, as well as a reservoir cooling unit. Which, I'm 99% sure, will be after we buy a house and have a full & enclosed room for growing. Which means it's highly likely I'll be growing in soil until after we buy a house.... the house is highest priority right now, and hydro can wait while soil is much less expensive. :)

The reason I initially chose hydro over soil was because I thought that moving pots around would be too much physically. It wasn't growing preference; it was looking at what's best to do within my limits. However, aside from the AG (which I'll still be using for cloning and possibly sexing), hydro turned out to be too taxing on my body.... hauling gallons of water to empty, hauling more to fill, cleaning all the different parts and the reservoir, etc. These 3 gal. pots are a bit heavy for me, but not so much that I'm rendered immobile and useless the rest of the day if I move them; more like a real effort that hurts for about half an hour, but nothing worse. I also have to go non-stop till the whole maintenance job is done with hydro (and what takes most people half an hour most often takes me several hours, as I move slowly and also need to take frequent breaks). Whereas with separate pots I can do one plant at a time if need be.

Also, until we can buy a house and have a real grow room with more hydro units, separate pots instead of a shared reservoir means that I can "stagger" my plants.... have a small perpetual setup going on in this little house, instead of waiting till we move. I've got notes going now, working out a plan RE: timing so that I'm harvesting one at a time, which will also allow me to have larger plants as they can be arranged properly for the best light efficiency, etc.

Also in my notes are plans for different ways to top and LST, according to each strain's growth patterns. I'm going to put one to flower once it's ready, but the rest I'll continue vegging into "trees" like Gypsy is working on now, albeit smaller for this tent & small grow area. :lol: Once I get my notes and a basic calendar a bit organized, I'll post my plans here. I want to maximize all I can with my six mature plant limit. ;) I mean, I can grow six mature plants that yield OK, or I can grow six mature plants that yield a LOT more simply by training and vegging longer, etc. So the first one or two to go to flower will be so that I can get a harvest ASAP, and the rest will follow suit until I've got a two-week-per-plant rotation. That'll keep me within the six mature plant legal limit, while allowing me to grow them a large as possible.... and larger yet once I have a real grow room! :hump:

I was initially going to start this thread in the "Grow Journals" forum category, and now wish I had, as this is no longer a hydro grow. I'm going to ask a mod if someone will move it; I know it can be done, so it's a matter of whether they feel it's necessary. :)

OK.... blah blah blah! :lol: Sorry, just thinking out loud really. :mrgreen:

P.S. It's 106F right now, and 92F in my living room!!! :shock: Yet 76F in my tent. Lucky plants! :lol:
 
Solcyn26

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Katatawnic said:
First off, RE: your post in your thread about the ideas you've got going on for your grow room once you've bought a house.... get outta my head!!! :lol: Seriously, it's almost 100% identical to what I've been planning, including a separate "experiment" area. Then I can give in to my "I wonder what would happen if...." urges! :mrgreen: Once we have a house and I've got a grow room, I'll keep using my tent for drying and curing; perfect for darkness and circulation enough for this purpose. I can also use the tent for growing/harvesting males whenever I've got a male plant with traits I'd like to keep for future seeds. :D



Very true Fox, but it was a true struggle to keep the reservoir at 72F, and that was with replacing frozen water bottles every half hour all 18 hours the lights are on daily! (When you have trouble getting up/down from your recliner, and half the time need a cane to get around the house, this goes from frustrating to extremely difficult.) Having aggressively fought a pythium outbreak for eight days, and still battling to keep it from coming back, I'm not physically able (nor any longer willing) to do all it's taken to just keep it barely under control, but not eradicating it. All of this is directly due to heat control issues, which can't be remedied any further until we've bought a house and can start spending on other things again.

Unless growing with soil continues to be less physical work, I'll be going back to hydro (1.) after October when the weather is tolerable again, and (2.) when we're able to scrounge up enough money for a larger A/C unit, as well as a reservoir cooling unit. Which, I'm 99% sure, will be after we buy a house and have a full & enclosed room for growing. Which means it's highly likely I'll be growing in soil until after we buy a house.... the house is highest priority right now, and hydro can wait while soil is much less expensive. :)

The reason I initially chose hydro over soil was because I thought that moving pots around would be too much physically. It wasn't growing preference; it was looking at what's best to do within my limits. However, aside from the AG (which I'll still be using for cloning and possibly sexing), hydro turned out to be too taxing on my body.... hauling gallons of water to empty, hauling more to fill, cleaning all the different parts and the reservoir, etc. These 3 gal. pots are a bit heavy for me, but not so much that I'm rendered immobile and useless the rest of the day if I move them; more like a real effort that hurts for about half an hour, but nothing worse. I also have to go non-stop till the whole maintenance job is done with hydro (and what takes most people half an hour most often takes me several hours, as I move slowly and also need to take frequent breaks). Whereas with separate pots I can do one plant at a time if need be.

Also, until we can buy a house and have a real grow room with more hydro units, separate pots instead of a shared reservoir means that I can "stagger" my plants.... have a small perpetual setup going on in this little house, instead of waiting till we move. I've got notes going now, working out a plan RE: timing so that I'm harvesting one at a time, which will also allow me to have larger plants as they can be arranged properly for the best light efficiency, etc.

Also in my notes are plans for different ways to top and LST, according to each strain's growth patterns. I'm going to put one to flower once it's ready, but the rest I'll continue vegging into "trees" like Gypsy is working on now, albeit smaller for this tent & small grow area. :lol: Once I get my notes and a basic calendar a bit organized, I'll post my plans here. I want to maximize all I can with my six mature plant limit. ;) I mean, I can grow six mature plants that yield OK, or I can grow six mature plants that yield a LOT more simply by training and vegging longer, etc. So the first one or two to go to flower will be so that I can get a harvest ASAP, and the rest will follow suit until I've got a two-week-per-plant rotation. That'll keep me within the six mature plant legal limit, while allowing me to grow them a large as possible.... and larger yet once I have a real grow room! :hump:

I was initially going to start this thread in the "Grow Journals" forum category, and now wish I had, as this is no longer a hydro grow. I'm going to ask a mod if someone will move it; I know it can be done, so it's a matter of whether they feel it's necessary. :)

OK.... blah blah blah! :lol: Sorry, just thinking out loud really. :mrgreen:

P.S. It's 106F right now, and 92F in my living room!!! :shock: Yet 76F in my tent. Lucky plants! :lol:
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u should really look into coco growing...all the benifits of soil and no chance of overwatering..its really good stuff it also allows u to grow in smaller containers as the coco creates a biomass for your roots to thrive in...there are alot of different coco nutes but my rasta grower friend simply feeds then molasses about 5 ml per gallon to feed the bacteria in the coco....he also growes some without feeding the bacteria and it makes for a perfectly enert medium...theres two types of coco: coco coir( most similair to soil tiny lil strings and grains of coco) coco piece( larger pieces of coco husk and long threads of coco. perfect for ebb/flow top drip or any other hydro. this is what i use but hand water) coco croutons( like your hydroton or chips but completely organic.great for your dwc or bubbleponics no tiny pieces to clog up pump.

anyways sorry for rambling but seriously look into coco i dont think ill ever mess with soil again cant match the rate of growth ive seen with coco.

ps OMG my girls love the molasses
 
Katatawnic

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How funny, I was going to list the ingredients in my grow medium but forgot. Your post reminded me. :mrgreen:

Actually, my medium's main ingredient (well, highest content, lol) is coco fiber. OK, ingredients are as follows:
coco fiber
course peat
compost
perlite
pumice
worm castings
bat guano
fish bone meal
soybean meal
feather meal
kelp meal​

A few questions, since you've already had experience in this area:

How expensive is using just coco as opposed to a soil mix with a lot of coco fiber like I've got now?

Which would you recommend to be best for "soil" (i.e., not hydro) growing? Coco coir, coco piece, coco croutons, something else, or a combination of any of these?

When you say I can use smaller containers, how small are you thinking? I'm just barely able to lift my three gallon pots; can do it, but it's extremely difficult and does leave me very sore (understatement! LOL) for a good half hour or so. Plus, I'll be sprouting two more plants in the next two to four weeks, and although all six 3 gal. pots will fit into my tent and still have room for my fans, if I could get away with slightly smaller pots then I could be a tad more economical with lights. :D (Just can't go HID until we've bought a house and have more room & much better cooling.)

Do you mean just the "regular" molasses that can be bought in grocery stores? And how much per gallon?​


BTW, just reread the first post in your thread.... I didn't know you were a lady grower! (Well, I'm assuming, since you referred to your boyfriend. lol) There just aren't enough of us around here! :hump:

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anyways sorry for rambling
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Stop that!!! Do you realize to whom are you apologizing? Me, the extremely detail-oriented person! :lol:

Also, just wanted to give a disclaimer so to speak.... I've been reading your GJ daily. I don't post comments to threads very often, because I get so damn wordy :lol: and that not only can be overwhelming for readers, but it also wreaks havoc on my hands. :cry: But I am following your grow! ;)

Thanks for the input Solcyn, previous and future! And hey, why haven't people repped you more?! You're friendly, kind, humorous, and very helpful in all areas with which you're familiar! People need to take more notice, and reward others for admirable traits! :hug:
 
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why thank you...im not sure why :(

1. great mix looks like u have enough nutes in that to carry you right thru veg..nice

2. i get the big bails of coco for like 12$ u add water it fills about 5 bags of soil or some thing like that....hold on let me be more specific: sunleaves expanding coir block its about ten pounds compressed i get it from htgsupply.com ....it really bulks up to alot..they sell it in classic which is coir and pith(tiny pieces) and piece which is longer strands of coir and chunks

3.i prefer sunleaves expandable piece coir...the bigger pieces make alot of room for oxygen uptake while at the same time making it imposible to over-water..once the coco has soaked up its limit the rest just runs right out of the bottom...i dont use perlite or any type of guano but i would if i was more experianced with organics...just and coco piece coir to your current mix and youll love it.

4.ive seen grows on this site and other where ppl have flowered from clone in 2 litter soda bottles...crazy right..no need for such extremes..from what i hear container volume triples meaning your 3 gal containers well give you the root mass of a 9-10 gal..so by that logig u could go to 1-2 gallon square pots and really cram them in there....i use rose buckets from htgsupply.com i would say there about 3 gal and about a foot squared so its really easy to fill your space without losing grow space( they are taller than regular pots to make up for size

5. unsulphured blackstrap molasses is the best but any molasses will do 1-2 tbl spoons per gallon...bulks up buds with sugar and bacteria love to eat molasses...search on this site for a thread called molasses as nutrient alot of good info

thanks for followin journal feel free to post i dont care about that kinda stuff its me and my girl she started me on here but i kinda took over but we both put in work with the grow...my lil farmers wife...she hates that..lol
 
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ps i just reread one of your questions using just coco will be cheaper but u'll have to buy nutes for veg... what im going to statr doing is using humboldt nutrients oneness its a 1 part complete nute system..really easy to use and pretty cheap like 20$ a quart and u use it in flower too really conviniant..
 
wannabee

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I have to admit, I haven't read your entire thread, but I definitely will. You make this growing look so easy. This amazes me. I'm sorry to hear about the pain that you have. I hope your medicine helps.

WB:peace:
 
LAX Skunky BwS

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Plants have remained healthy, aside from a small amount of additional yellowing on the lowest leaves. But no further yellowing has been noted in a few days. However, I've still had to be extremely vigilant with the pythium issue. This is directly due to heat, which I've battled as much as I possibly can without buying another air conditioning unit.... which is simply not financially possible. I've got a 6" inline fan on order from Home Depot; went there to get one, but turns out it's a "special order" item, so I've gotta wait for that. I just keep the tent open, will be able to close it once the fan is delivered and installed.

I decided I was going to either build an aero-sprayer so that the roots no longer sit in the water, or else simply switch to soil. Drew up a "blue print plan" for the aero-sprayer, went to two nurseries and a hydro shop, and they all said the same thing: in my area (very hot desert valley in So. CA), many growers switch from hydro to soil at least for the summer. Unless you can afford a home in a more "upscale" neighborhood, you'll likely have an evaporative cooler instead of central air. This doesn't cool the house as much, but makes for a much more affordable electric bill. Well, my window a/c unit is right by my grow tent (meaning my living room is very hot; my plants get much better treatment than I do! lol), and still I can't get the temp lower than "manageable".... never optimal. (High during the day about 81F, and it has peaked higher a few times.) This means a constant fight to keep the reservoir below 72F. I got to where I was setting a kitchen timer for 30 minutes all day and night, to swap a new frozen water bottle and refreeze the last used one. My freezer has been full of water bottles! :lol: And still I couldn't get the reservoir temp below 72F. (Just moments over a half hour, and it would jump to 76F or higher!) I just can't physically handle this anymore, and honestly wouldn't want to if I was more able! So, I switched to soil yesterday. Honestly, this is so much less work! Water every couple/few days, add nutrients every other watering, and that's IT aside from topping/training! Plus, with the roots now in soil, I'm "messing" with the plants less anyway. :mrgreen:

On the 16th, two of the four plants showed roots extending from the net pots. (Best thing I saw in over a week!) By the next morning, the other two also did, and all four of the plants had roots in the water already. So they're doing OK with all that's gone on. Growth a bit slower still, which is to be expected after going without nutrients for a week and all the root-related issues. But still more growth all the same.

And this is interesting.... the air temperature in the tent is lower today than yesterday, and yet the weather is hotter today. (It's 103F right now, with the "feels like" at 108F.) Today's peak was at 79F, for less than an hour. Aside from the peak, it's been around 74F today. I'm guessing it's got to do with hydro having so much water in there, as water can cool but can also heat up an area. I don't know for sure as I'm not a meteorologist. :lol: Just guessing.

A friend of mine loaned me his drill so I could build an aero-sprayer, so before I get it back to him I'm going to drill holes in the rims of the pots, so that I can LST my plants when they're tall enough. BTW, the plants now will have more room before they can start crowding each other, as the pots (3 gal) are 10" in diameter. Also, I wasn't going to LST in the BP because there really isn't a lot of room for doing this, whereas now there's plenty of room for LST.

Got a puppy last weekend, so that Missy (who has separation anxiety) can have a companion. Husky/Shepard/Chow mix. Gonna be a beauty! Named her Hazel, cause her eyes are.... well.... hazel! :lol: (That's not a common eye color for dogs. Her eyes have a lot of green tint to them! They're "oddly" pretty.)

So, there ya have it!
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they gonna take off now... it is hot here in L.A. im able to keep my temps under control .. GL on the rest of the grow.. my ladies are really getting big.. that Blue hash is starting to bud ...
 
Katatawnic

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Solcyn26 said:
1. great mix looks like u have enough nutes in that to carry you right thru veg..nice
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Well, I'm doing the full-out veg, not a quickie like many "stealth" growers need to do. ;) Won't need nutes for about another week though, and then it'll be "weak" doses compared to what I needed with hydro.

Lots of great info you gave, Solcyn! Thanks a ton! :hug: No money (nor inclination LOL) to do yet another transplant, but I'll most definitely be checking into coco when I run out of soil. Being able to use it for "soil" or hydro grows both is an advantage in itself. :D

wannabee said:
I have to admit, I haven't read your entire thread, but I definitely will. You make this growing look so easy. This amazes me. I'm sorry to hear about the pain that you have. I hope your medicine helps.
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Thank you WB, you're very kind! :D Gardening really is easy, whether house plants or pot. It's just a matter of learning what each particular plant likes. But when you encounter a problem such as pythium (root rot), it's sooo not easy! :lol: I'm just so glad that they're recovered and are flourishing as if nothing had happened!

I've said it before and I'll say it again.... there are simply not enough lady growers "coming out" and I'm thrilled to see that I'm not quite as much a "rarity" around here as I'd thought. :lol: ANYHOOO, checked out and subbed to your GJ. :hump:

LAX Skunky BwS said:
they gonna take off now... it is hot here in L.A. im able to keep my temps under control .. GL on the rest of the grow.. my ladies are really getting big.. that Blue hash is starting to bud ...
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Yeah LAX, but I'd still rather be in LA than the IE.... way too hot here! Crime rate per capita is worse here too! :shock: How are the buds on the BH looking? :p Checked your GJ, but couldn't see too well in the most recent photos I saw. HEY, how's the upcoming move going? All ready for the fun? :lol:


WELL, started LST on the 21st. It's already going great, and I can see that the yield will be much larger from doing this! They won't take any longer to grow 10" around the pots than they will to grow 10" vertically, so this will indeed be so worth it! Not to mention it puts more fun into growing, as there's a lot more variety than just watching them get a little taller each day or so. :hump:

Lots of photos this post, simply because I was closely monitoring the immediate effects of beginning the LST. Tied down just one at first, and the next day there was absolutely no stress and a very obvious growth spurt, so I then tied down the rest of them. I swear they're liking the BDSM! :shock: :mrgreen:
 

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lookin good kat:) i tied down one of my last plants and it grow vertical and i got 12 1/2 grams from the 1 bud on that plant!!! it works great:peace:
 
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Katatawnic said:
Well, I'm doing the full-out veg, not a quickie like many "stealth" growers need to do. ;) Won't need nutes for about another week though, and then it'll be "weak" doses compared to what I needed with hydro.

Lots of great info you gave, Solcyn! Thanks a ton! :hug: No money (nor inclination LOL) to do yet another transplant, but I'll most definitely be checking into coco when I run out of soil. Being able to use it for "soil" or hydro grows both is an advantage in itself. :D



Thank you WB, you're very kind! :D Gardening really is easy, whether house plants or pot. It's just a matter of learning what each particular plant likes. But when you encounter a problem such as pythium (root rot), it's sooo not easy! :lol: I'm just so glad that they're recovered and are flourishing as if nothing had happened!

I've said it before and I'll say it again.... there are simply not enough lady growers "coming out" and I'm thrilled to see that I'm not quite as much a "rarity" around here as I'd thought. :lol: ANYHOOO, checked out and subbed to your GJ. :hump:



Yeah LAX, but I'd still rather be in LA than the IE.... way too hot here! Crime rate per capita is worse here too! :shock: How are the buds on the BH looking? :p Checked your GJ, but couldn't see too well in the most recent photos I saw. HEY, how's the upcoming move going? All ready for the fun? :lol:


WELL, started LST on the 21st. It's already going great, and I can see that the yield will be much larger from doing this! They won't take any longer to grow 10" around the pots than they will to grow 10" vertically, so this will indeed be so worth it! Not to mention it puts more fun into growing, as there's a lot more variety than just watching them get a little taller each day or so. :hump:

Lots of photos this post, simply because I was closely monitoring the immediate effects of beginning the LST. Tied down just one at first, and the next day there was absolutely no stress and a very obvious growth spurt, so I then tied down the rest of them. I swear they're liking the BDSM! :shock: :mrgreen:
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IE huh.. Inland Empier??.. That BH is getting big & starting to bud up really nice.. looking great Kat.. keep it up..+Rep
 
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