Proof of the existence of an intelligent Creator and what His purpose of mankind is

CrackerJax

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You again have it completely backwards. :lol:

Atheism isn't easy..... it's a very hard way to live. There is little comfort in NOT having an afterlife. It takes a true mental discipline to stay in a logical and objective mode.

Religion is the EASY way out.
 

fish601

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You again have it completely backwards. :lol:

Atheism isn't easy..... it's a very hard way to live. There is little comfort in NOT having an afterlife. It takes a true mental discipline to stay in a logical and objective mode.

Religion is the EASY way out.
if when you die your dead it makes you wonder what you were even born for to begain with but its much easier not to believe in god.
you see i know i am held accountable for everything i do here on earth, there is an expectation of how i am supost to live my life, i will face a god at the end of my life and answer to him. i am a failure thankfully i have a savior.
 

Wordz

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if when you die your dead it makes you wonder what you were even born for to begain with but its much easier not to believe in god.
you see i know i am held accountable for everything i do here on earth, there is an expectation of how i am supost to live my life, i will face a god at the end of my life and answer to him. i am a failure thankfully i have a savior.
So does every nonbeliever go straight to hell or do they get to talk to god after they die too?
 

leeny

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FISH! I think you could answer this so I'm bring my question back up... who created the intelligent creator????? geeze I really just want an answer from a religious person
 

CrackerJax

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if when you die your dead it makes you wonder what you were even born for to begain with but its much easier not to believe in god.
you see i know i am held accountable for everything i do here on earth, there is an expectation of how i am supost to live my life, i will face a god at the end of my life and answer to him. i am a failure thankfully i have a savior.

There's the rub bub.... when you die... you don't get to wonder...ur dead....that's the point of death....

Religion and the afterlife are simply wishful thinking based upon NO evidence. Comforting perhaps, but still based on nothing.
 

hanimmal

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You are willing to believe that the bible has been changed right fish. Well why is it so hard to believe that the rulers that have changed it did not place heaven into it because it is a good way to make sure their subjects don't commit crimes?

Would make life much easier for them to rule.
 

fish601

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FISH! I think you could answer this so I'm bring my question back up... who created the intelligent creator????? geeze I really just want an answer from a religious person

The intelligent creator was not created, he is eternal

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Psalms 90 Read This Chapter[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]90:2 Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God. [/FONT]
thats my answer if you would like more try here

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/who_created_god.html

http://gotquestions.org/who-created-God.html

http://www.carm.org/secular-movements/atheism/if-everything-needs-creator-then-who-or-what-created-god
 

leeny

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well shit, then so are molecules ad and parasites (evolutionism) man :( I wanted a cool answer that one is a cop out
 

KaleoXxX

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Scientists have always inferred the origin of the universe by reversing the observed state of the universe. At first, the universe was thought to be static. Thus, science held that the universe simply "always was." Then scientists theorized that gravity must cause the universe to shrink. Thus, science changed its mind, inventing the "Big Bang" Theory. It wasn't until 1998 that astronomers discovered that the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate. Reversing an accelerating expansion to see back in time produces a universe that shrinks at a decelerating rate as one goes back in time to its origin. Follow this process to its ultimate and the rate of shrinkage reduces to converge with timespace where both are zero. That is, both shrinkage and timespace stop at timespace=0. Thus, timespace has a beginning.

From timespace=0, scientists hold that nothing in the universe magically "popped in" with no cause. It is a fundamental law of physics that every physical occurrence in the universe has a cause.
The fundamental laws of physics then require a cause of the universe ex nihilo; i.e., a Prime Cause Singularity that is non-dimensional and independent of timespace. In contrast to endless opinionating of innumerable pseudo-scientific religionists, science recognizes the necessity of a Prime Cause ex nihilo

No eminent scientist represents that our perfectly-orderly universe can be explained ex nihilo without a Prime Cause. Being logically consistent (orderly), the universe must mirror its Prime Cause / Singularity-Creator—Who must be Perfectly Orderly; i.e. Perfect. Therefore, no intelligent person can ignore that our purpose and challenge in life is learning how we, as imperfect humans, may successfully relate to a Perfect Singularity-Creator without our co-mingling, which transcends the timespace of this dimensional physical universe, becoming an imperfection to the Perfect Singularity-Creator

An orderly Creator necessarily had an Intelligent Purpose in creating this universe and us within it and, being Just and Orderly, necessarily placed an explanation, a "Life's Instruction Manual," within the reach of His subjects—humankind.

It defies the orderliness (logic / mathematics) of both the universe and Perfection of its Creator to assert that humanity was (contrary to His Tor•âh′ , see below) without any means of rapproachment until millennia after the first couple in recorded history as well as millennia after Abraham, Moses and the prophets. Therefore, the Creator's "Life's Instruction Manual" has been available to man at least since the beginning of recorded history. The only enduring document of this kind is the Tor•âh′ —which, interestingly, translates to "Instruction" (not "law" as popularly alleged). (Source: www.netzarim.co.il)

Religions that contradict Torah, therefore, are the antithesis of the Creator.
thats one deep first post man....

kinda on a side note, anyone har the theory about how eating mushrooms developed monkeys into mankind? the ones who ate the hallucinogenic ones developed a consciousness and the ones who ate the regular ones stayed monkeys and the ones who ate the poisonous mushrooms died off, thinning the crowd
 

leeny

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hahahahahaha do you want the full explination? cus I can admit when I don't know the whole story, but long story short- big bang rly?
 
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