Proof of the existence of an intelligent Creator and what His purpose of mankind is

Scientists have always inferred the origin of the universe by reversing the observed state of the universe. At first, the universe was thought to be static. Thus, science held that the universe simply "always was." Then scientists theorized that gravity must cause the universe to shrink. Thus, science changed its mind, inventing the "Big Bang" Theory. It wasn't until 1998 that astronomers discovered that the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate. Reversing an accelerating expansion to see back in time produces a universe that shrinks at a decelerating rate as one goes back in time to its origin. Follow this process to its ultimate and the rate of shrinkage reduces to converge with timespace where both are zero. That is, both shrinkage and timespace stop at timespace=0. Thus, timespace has a beginning.

From timespace=0, scientists hold that nothing in the universe magically "popped in" with no cause. It is a fundamental law of physics that every physical occurrence in the universe has a cause.
The fundamental laws of physics then require a cause of the universe ex nihilo; i.e., a Prime Cause Singularity that is non-dimensional and independent of timespace. In contrast to endless opinionating of innumerable pseudo-scientific religionists, science recognizes the necessity of a Prime Cause ex nihilo

No eminent scientist represents that our perfectly-orderly universe can be explained ex nihilo without a Prime Cause. Being logically consistent (orderly), the universe must mirror its Prime Cause / Singularity-Creator—Who must be Perfectly Orderly; i.e. Perfect. Therefore, no intelligent person can ignore that our purpose and challenge in life is learning how we, as imperfect humans, may successfully relate to a Perfect Singularity-Creator without our co-mingling, which transcends the timespace of this dimensional physical universe, becoming an imperfection to the Perfect Singularity-Creator

An orderly Creator necessarily had an Intelligent Purpose in creating this universe and us within it and, being Just and Orderly, necessarily placed an explanation, a "Life's Instruction Manual," within the reach of His subjects—humankind.

It defies the orderliness (logic / mathematics) of both the universe and Perfection of its Creator to assert that humanity was (contrary to His Tor•âh′ , see below) without any means of rapproachment until millennia after the first couple in recorded history as well as millennia after Abraham, Moses and the prophets. Therefore, the Creator's "Life's Instruction Manual" has been available to man at least since the beginning of recorded history. The only enduring document of this kind is the Tor•âh′ —which, interestingly, translates to "Instruction" (not "law" as popularly alleged). (Source: www.netzarim.co.il)

Religions that contradict Torah, therefore, are the antithesis of the Creator.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
If,inferred,maybe,possibly,..............

I'll just sum it up without a bunch of those.....

Man does not understand the timespace continuum nearly enough to say what is the primary causal effect which brought our "known" universe into being.
 

Trypt

Member
man can make the obvious correlations between intelligent design and nature just by appreciation of beauty and natural mathematic functions.
We may not ever grasp 100% a true creator but the fact we are conscious in itself is proof enough for me their is an intelligent force behind it all, or that IS it all...hmm :)

good post man
 

CrackerJax

New Member
I think man has a propensity to see patterns not in evidence, especially if they compliment his ego. Practically irresistible to the oh so smart primate.
 

MagicA

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Right then you've solved the age old question that has been pondered by all of mankind since day one! Perhaps we should alert the worlds media now?
 

leeny

Active Member
who created the intelligent creator? and I'm not trying to be a prick but I'm sure there is some theory on that and would just like to hear it...
 

The Warlord

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Dude. It's all about the quantum foam and stuff. God is, like, cool man. Peace to the string theory, man! Whoa dude! That was deep and like wow man! God is math or somethin, man! WOOT!
 
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Keenly

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you do realize you provided absoloutely no proof of anything other than the universe expanding


no evidence of a "plan"

or a "creator"
 
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Keenly

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Dude. It's all about the quantum foam and stuff. God is, like, cool man. Peace to the string theory, man! Whoa dude! That was deep and like wow man! God is math or somethin, man! WOOT!
quantum foam makes me roam my friend

RIP MC
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Religion predates the modern governments. While Constantine did use the religion to subjugate the masses, there hasn't really been a consistent connection of government.
If Germany and Japan & Italy had come out on top after WW2, and did indeed bring about a new world order, for sure the Vatican would be trying to survive in that climate and do whatever it takes. There is proof enough already of the church willingness to cut deals with Hitler.

I'd say it's the other way around. Religion has been using govts.
 

hanimmal

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Scientists have always inferred the origin of the universe by reversing the observed state of the universe. At first, the universe was thought to be static. Thus, science held that the universe simply "always was." Then scientists theorized that gravity must cause the universe to shrink. Thus, science changed its mind, inventing the "Big Bang" Theory. It wasn't until 1998 that astronomers discovered that the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate. Reversing an accelerating expansion to see back in time produces a universe that shrinks at a decelerating rate as one goes back in time to its origin. Follow this process to its ultimate and the rate of shrinkage reduces to converge with timespace where both are zero. That is, both shrinkage and timespace stop at timespace=0. Thus, timespace has a beginning.
That is the beuty of science. As we learn more and more, we add in the new facts and have to toss aside the old outdated theories.

The fact that the church had the practice of killing scientists for so many centuries that in any way contradicted the bible helped stagnate that process. So you pointing to the thought that the universe was static is wrong in a few ways. You also failed to point out that the first thinkers thought that all the stars were gods to be warshiped. And as people began to learn about the world those thoughts evolved.

And funny enough but gravity does exist. And in a way it is pulling all the objects in, but just not in the ways that early scientists first thought. Look no further than our moon. The earths gravity pulls it but the gravity of the outer planets that are far larger pull on it too, so it is actually found to be moving away from us. Same as our galaxy, it is being pulled towards larger galaxies where it will eventually be sucked in, on and on, until it is again one tiny ball of ununderstandable density ready to explode all over again.

See there is still room for god, it is in the before and after. But that doesn't mean that we should stick our heads in the sand and stop learning and evolving, and worst yet ignoring all the information and evidence that we have gathered.

From timespace=0, scientists hold that nothing in the universe magically "popped in" with no cause. It is a fundamental law of physics that every physical occurrence in the universe has a cause.
The fundamental laws of physics then require a cause of the universe ex nihilo; i.e., a Prime Cause Singularity that is non-dimensional and independent of timespace. In contrast to endless opinionating of innumerable pseudo-scientific religionists, science recognizes the necessity of a Prime Cause ex nihilo
I take it you actually work for the creationists. And are randomly posting in websites to try to build up your herd.

No eminent scientist represents that our perfectly-orderly universe can be explained ex nihilo without a Prime Cause. Being logically consistent (orderly), the universe must mirror its Prime Cause / Singularity-Creator—Who must be Perfectly Orderly; i.e. Perfect. Therefore, no intelligent person can ignore that our purpose and challenge in life is learning how we, as imperfect humans, may successfully relate to a Perfect Singularity-Creator without our co-mingling, which transcends the timespace of this dimensional physical universe, becoming an imperfection to the Perfect Singularity-Creator
See as a race of beings that are self aware we have always had 'religion' and it is always in the unexplainable. When I was a kid I thought that there were monsters in the dark, now I know better. As a human living without electricity and no writing or history that is not verbal at night, I would have turned to the stars and moon for guidance of what life is about. And through the much larger margins I too would have turned to god.

River gods, tree gods, animal gods, sky gods, lightning gods, on and on until everything had meaning, and the mystery was not as scary as long as I did not anger those gods I would know that I was safe. And when my people died of unknown reasons I would know that those gods were angry. The red berried bush god is not our friend and out to kill us, so avoid that god and instead stick to this blue berried bush god.

Later when we learned about plant biology, we could move away from those gods.

An orderly Creator necessarily had an Intelligent Purpose in creating this universe and us within it and, being Just and Orderly, necessarily placed an explanation, a "Life's Instruction Manual," within the reach of His subjects—humankind.
Sure that is fine, since we have no evidence that it is not the case. DNA is about 98% the same right, so maybe there was a original plan.

It defies the orderliness (logic / mathematics) of both the universe and Perfection of its Creator to assert that humanity was (contrary to His Tor•âh′ , see below) without any means of rapproachment until millennia after the first couple in recorded history as well as millennia after Abraham, Moses and the prophets. Therefore, the Creator's "Life's Instruction Manual" has been available to man at least since the beginning of recorded history. The only enduring document of this kind is the Tor•âh′ —which, interestingly, translates to "Instruction" (not "law" as popularly alleged). (Source: www.netzarim.co.il)
Now this throws me off, maybe I was too fast to say you are from the creationist business. I defines any logic that any instruction manual from god is real. If god is what everyone that believes says he is, then why leave it in the hands of people, he obviously has made his presence known and is not trying to play it incognito so why not make a huge mountain a textbook with his words carved in it in something that would never rust/rot/crumble/over-grow
so that it is strait up evidence here is the truth.

You really think that he can do all this, and then screw the pooch of such a important step like an ikea manual?
Religions that contradict Torah, therefore, are the antithesis of the Creator.
Since humans are not born believers, every religion is the antithesis of a creator. He should have maybe implanted it word for word in all of our memories. That way we would not have the excuse of 'well I didn't know!'. If he was an intelligent designer that would have been a good place to start.
 
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