Potassium deficiency, pics...

MustangStudFarm

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I started to develop a problem and I couldn't figure it out and I misdiagnosed it for about a week now. I've been dealing with micronutirient deficiencies and it looked very similar to an iron deficiency. Thankfully, I came across a website that clarified it for me and the hammer really hit the nail when I read it. I thought "maybe I have iron deficiency and over-fertilization causing curl".

Potassium deficiencies often resemble iron deficiencies. The tell-tale way of knowing that a potassium deficiency is a problem is by the curling leaves, the burnt edges, and leaf death.

http://www.ilovegrowingmarijuana.com/marijuana-nutrient-deficiency-potassium/

Anyways, this article is spot on for my problem and I am 90% sure about it. It's another day at the "School of hard knocks" over here. I thought that I would share my problem. I top-dressed with a little oyster shell flour the other week and I think that it set this deficiency in high gear. I had my soil tested before I planted in it and I knew what was going on, because my soil test is supposed to be 2x the desired value for K. From what I understand, potassium is the only one the needs to be adjusted for cannabis and everything else needs to be at the normal levels.

Look at the section called Base Saturation, I could use less Mg and more K. The K needs to be 2x the amount that they suggest and I really didn't do anything to fix it and I didn't start showing a def until week #5.
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They just look thirsty. Potassium helps with water retention.
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MustangStudFarm

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Everything was looking great until now. Here are some plants that were not affected as bad. I had some compost that I top-dressed with and I started to run out, so the plants that got compost look better. They are showing signs, but not nearly as bad.
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It hurt my feelings to see them start to taper off, but I think that I learned my lesson. It's bad when I don't learn from my mistakes, but I caught this one...
 

ShLUbY

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certainly not overfed, and definitely a K def. the anthocyanin production in the stems i'm seeing also points to that. What size are those square containers you are in?
 

MustangStudFarm

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certainly not overfed, and definitely a K def. the anthocyanin production in the stems i'm seeing also points to that. What size are those square containers you are in?
8gal. Right, everything that I have been reading about K def is spot on to my problem.
 

MustangStudFarm

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Well, I suck at soil so.....looks over fed/nute burn to me. Compost topping too hot maybe.

Good luck
Did you even try to read that articles that I linked? I was trying to help others get an idea about what K def looks like and I'm not really asking for advice. Not everyone shows pics of their fuck-ups and I easily could have kept this to myself.
 

MustangStudFarm

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seems like plenty of soil!
I need to find another source of K other than kelp. I use kelp but my sodium levels are at max levels right now too, so I really can't push kelp anymore than I have already. I bought a bulk bag of greensand last night, but that is not going to help my problem right now. I also ordered some potassium sulfate for a quick release but I don't plan on using it in my soil mixes. I know that Hyroot was tying to get me to do ferments and I made the one for veg but not flower. Roberto's Brew is the name of the ferment that I am doing next. I've been dragging my feet because I need to buy/make more LABS.

Flower Power
https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/1cxlUTCpm6NCKGWiMVpmA5YlO6J2kCu5g6QaNXfgjauo/mobilebasic?pli=1
 

MustangStudFarm

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I usually have plenty of K in my compost, but I don't have any ready right now and I am not going to pay for any. I've been following Dr. Faust from BioAg and he said that most people don't let their compost fully finish and I have been guilty of this in the past. He said that humic acid doesn't start to develop until after 2yrs and it needs a source of lignin.
 

ShLUbY

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I usually have plenty of K in my compost, but I don't have any ready right now and I am not going to pay for any. I've been following Dr. Faust from BioAg and he said that most people don't let their compost fully finish and I have been guilty of this in the past. He said that humic acid doesn't start to develop until after 2yrs and it needs a source of lignin.
worm bins are full of acids. when you do a casting rinse with plain water, it's nice and dark coming out. maybe its more fulvics than humics? i know fulvics are much less complex in terms of molecule size... just making an educated guess.
 
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Wetdog

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worm bins are full of acids. when you do a casting rinse with plain water, it's nice and dark coming out. maybe its more fulvics than humics? i know fulvics are much less complex in terms of molecule size... just making an educated guess.
Fulvics are that part of humic acid that is soluble in water and thus the dark. I know the worms don't need anywhere near 2 years to produce humic acid. Even the freshest VC will turn that water brown as I'm sure you've noticed. 2 or 3 months perhaps?

I do have lignin in my worm bedding in the form of pine bark. The worms seem to love it, but it certainly doesn't get much broken down before the castings get used. Pine bark is also part of my basic soil mix. Wonderful stuff.

I physically unable to do thermal compost and just don't use any at all in my mix since the bagged stuff I've seen is just unfinished shit. Funny thing is, I've never noticed lesser results from not including it. The fresh VC and other OM seem to be more than sufficient. Too much OM can be as much of a problem as too little.

I do manage to mulch my raised beds with 12" - 16" of leaves from the yard. Nothing is done beyond piling them up. Move them out of the way to plant in the spring is about it.

Wet
 

MustangStudFarm

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I know the worms don't need anywhere near 2 years to produce humic acid.
Worms don't produce humic acid by themselves, its the lignin. I'm going off of Dr. Faust's podcast and not forum hearsay.
I do have lignin in my worm bedding in the form of pine bark.
Again, Dr. Faust said that anything more than 10% pine fir is counter productive. He said that it will work as an antibacterial... Please, listen to this podcast before we get into it so that we are on the same page. I'm only repeating what I hear the experts say. I have 3 kids and it makes it hard to read, so I've been listening to podcasts while they are awake and save the books for later. Also, I have a library card and I'm not scared to use it. I read most of Jeff Lowenfels books(hard to retain it all though) and moved on to other authors like Steve Solomon's "The intelligent gardener". I have a much easier time remembering what I heard from a lecture than from reading, so I listened to his podcasts also. They both agree that compost needs 2yrs to break down. Steve Solomon suggests using clay in compost and Dr. Faust talks about lignin.

https://www.kisorganics.com/pages/cannabis-cultivation-and-science-podcast-episode-11

The other day, I talked about adding humic acid to my worm bin and they actually talked about it on this podcast. Dr. Faust avoided the question and said to use lignin in your compost. There is always time to listen to a podcast, no excuses. I listen to them when I clean the kitchen and make veggie soup.

I'm hoping that one day we could work together and not against eachother. Believe it or not, I came very close to obtaining a bachelor degree in Christian ministry. I was too rough around the edges and my teachers didn't like it, fuck them! I have 1 verse that I want to share with you though. We seem to butt heads rather than learn anything. I bought a 44lb bag of Greensand, now you listen to a podcast lol... I don't have anyone to sharpen my skill set and I think that I have come close to my limit on these forums, but I still have problems! I think that you might know a few things that I don't and vice versa.

What I am saying is that I would rather have a civil conversation when I point out things that I hear on the podcasts. There is a lot of controversy and conflicting information out here. I don't know any expert growers/farmers and everything that I learn is from reading or podcasts. I had the same desire about hot-rods and I learned more from the internet/books than I did in class.

Proverbs 27:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
 
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Growitpondifarm

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Stang, what about mixing some neem or alfalfa into a top dress ? I know alfalfa is readily available to the plant somewhat quicker than a rock dust, not sure on the neem. Coconut water may help too
 
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Wetdog

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I usually have plenty of K in my compost, but I don't have any ready right now and I am not going to pay for any. I've been following Dr. Faust from BioAg and he said that most people don't let their compost fully finish and I have been guilty of this in the past. He said that humic acid doesn't start to develop until after 2yrs and it needs a source of lignin.
Have you checked out the links and such in the thread "Azomite and aluminum toxicity" I bumped up for you over at GCO? Touches a good bit on HA in both the thread and the links.

I've locked out K the same way you did with too much Ca. Rather than lime I got too happy top dressing gypsum and locked up my K.

Nothing really to be done except water only till the Ca level went down enough for the K to become available again. Lesson learned about over application.

Wet
 
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