Pot legalization coming, so stop possession arrests, say some

1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

The first line of our Charter trumps Blair's assertion that "the laws are still on the books". A government that has given a timeline for legalization will have a tough time defending their justification for arrests with the defense "well, the law is still on the books". I know that would be the route I go if charged, I'm surprised it hasn't been done already...
 
thank you for the link chris

the comments under that article are ridiculous. I wonder if the CPC is still paying people to write on there daily hahaha :)

some upset people that cannabis will be legalized and some tight asses complaining about it still being illegal and the need to lock up every tom, dick and harry for exercising their freedom of choice and expression. Agency is a wonderful part of sovereignty
 
It's going to be interesting to see what happens to all of the people in prison for mj charges once it's legal. Especially those who may potentially get locked between now and next spring..
 
nsbudca said:
It's going to be interesting to see what happens to all of the people in prison for mj charges once it's legal. Especially those who may potentially get locked between now and next spring..
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In reality, no one is in 'prison' for basic possession. If you're in prison, it's because you were selling at a large level, trafficking, etc. And the liberals legalizing will not make trafficking and sale legal unless through legal government channels. You don't think the police will continue to arrest those growing and selling outside the legal system , just like alcohol or tobacco?

Jeepers, when will you kids realize what the fuck the Liberals are doing?
 
TheDizzyBizzy said:
You don't think the police will continue to arrest those growing and selling outside the legal system , just like alcohol or tobacco?

Jeepers, when will you kids realize what the fuck the Liberals are doing?
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But...just like alcohol and tobacco, common sense would suggest you are going to be free to grow and sell providing you do so inside of government regulations.Sounds reasonable to me. Molson didn't keep the micro-breweries away and Tweed won't stop smaller grower's.
 
VIANARCHRIS said:
But...just like alcohol and tobacco, common sense would suggest you are going to be free to grow and sell providing you do so inside of government regulations.Sounds reasonable to me. Molson didn't keep the micro-breweries away and Tweed won't stop smaller grower's.
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Hmm well will see, Liberals already stated harsher penalties for selling/distributing outside of the regulatory system.

https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/marijuana/

We will remove marijuana consumption and incidental possession from the Criminal Code, and create new, stronger laws to punish more severely those who provide it to minors, those who operate a motor vehicle while under its influence, and those who sell it outside of the new regulatory framework.
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CannaReview said:
Hmm well will see, Liberals already stated harsher penalties for selling/distributing outside of the regulatory system.

https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/marijuana/
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That's why you sell within the regulatory system. One of they main objectives and selling points for legalization is to take control away from organized crime, and harsher penalties are a way to accomplish that. There will be a process to become registered, licensed and given a tax number for anyone who wants to follow the rules just the same as a winery or brewery. The challenge for current bm growers wanting to go legit will be having to cooperate with government and police instead of avoiding any contact.
 
pie in the sky

i am glad you are stating this like you think it will happen....

the big thing we care about..and the thing they will probably try to eradicate fast is

"us being able to grow our own"..which is the only way to remove organized[non gov] crime

the rest of the equation is just gonna show how controlled and corporately driven the machine wants to be

you make it sound like it will be fair...so far it hasn't be ..why would it change..

its gonna get way worse before it gets better
 
OLD MOTHER SATIVA said:
i am glad you are stating this like you think it will happen....
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Yeah, likewise.
What evidence do you have that we won't be able to grow? Med patients just won that right. Alcohol prohibition ended organized crime involvement, yet you can still make your own booze, so that argument's out. Allowing one to produce their own has the opposite effect...why buy from organized crime when you can grow your own?
OLD MOTHER SATIVA said:
its gonna get way worse before it gets better
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Do tell. We have just had nearly a century of prohibition, but somehow legalization will be worse? What is going to get worse, exactly? You make absolutely no sense.
 
i am saying that if there are strict deterrent laws to protect whatever it is they feel they have to have these punishments

for ..protect the lp's..

people will have to suffer before things are sorted out like they should be

1. everyone should be allowed to grow even if its not many plants..i do not see happening ..this will hurt people

2, allowing people to grow their own is the only way to rid of organized crime..
not using overly expensive corporative outlets
yes of course make them available

3. i do not think there is any chance they are going to let the little guy grow their own,sell it

and give the gov taxes..i see the opposite happening in every statement from the Liberals

vianna you could look a little further instaed of saying things don't make sense....

you are just pie in the sky and not near reality..

i can live with that

at least you are not calling me a maggot..like last week or whatever[yawn]

your sillyness has no affect on me.
 
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nsbudca said:
It's going to be interesting to see what happens to all of the people in prison for mj charges once it's legal. Especially those who may potentially get locked between now and next spring..
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All those in Prison will likely remain there, reason being is, they broke the law when it was in force and they were convicted. I did hear of a judge that gave a penalty of $1 to a french fella that had been caught with 30 plants.
 
OLD MOTHER SATIVA said:
i am saying that if there are strict deterrent laws to protect whatever it is they feel they have to have these punishments

for ..protect the lp's..

people will have to suffer before things are sorted out like they sho uld be

1. everyone should be allowed to grow even if its not many plants..i do n ot see happening ..this will hurt people

2, allowing people to grow their own is the only way to rid of organized crime..not overly expensive corporative outlets

vianna you could look a little further instaed of saying things don't make sense....

you are just pie in the sky and not near reality..

i can live with that

at least you are not calling me a maggot..like last week or whatever[yawn]

your sillyness has no affect on me.
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So the punishments for selling booze without proper permits are in place to protect who? You won't be able to grow commercially without a license and a tax number and a myriad of other regulations, just like you can't brew beer and sell it in a store without following rules. You don't see people being able to grow a few plants...I Do. You haven't given a valid reason why...other than some fictitious "protect the LP's" bs. You can't claim people will be hurt by laws that have yet to be developed, much less legislated. Most legal jurisdictions allow home grows, what would make you declare that Canada will somehow go the opposite route? You haven't answered how you think legalization is going to hurt people more than the last century of prohibition. Maybe try explaining that statement as a starting point to a intelligent discussion. Fact is, neither of us knows what the end result will be, but I'll put money on my prediction being a fuck of a lot closer to reality than your doom 'n gloom scenario. And no name calling...I don't have a good come back to "you are just pie in the sky and not near reality"....that was a good one...
 
VIANARCHRIS said:
So the punishments for selling booze without proper permits are in place to protect who?
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They are there to protect taxes collected by the government, and underage people.

VIANARCHRIS said:
Most legal jurisdictions allow home grows
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There are no legal jurisdictions in Canada that allow home growing.

VIANARCHRIS said:
what would make you declare that Canada will somehow go the opposite route?
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The sale of booze in Canada is taxed heavily, it would be easy to assume they will do the same with Weed. We call it a "SIN Tax" the same will happen when prostitution is legalized or regulated.
 
Bud Assasin said:
They are there to protect taxes collected by the government, and underage people.
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Exactly. They are not there to protect "big booze".
Bud Assasin said:
There are no legal jurisdictions in Canada that allow home growing.
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I didn't say in Canada, obviously. Look at WA,Co,AK etc.
Bud Assasin said:
The sale of booze in Canada is taxed heavily, it would be easy to assume they will do the same with Weed. We call it a "SIN Tax" the same will happen when prostitution is legalized or regulated.
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Buy from a store, pay tax. Grow yer own, tax free. Taxation will be a huge part of legalization just as it is for booze. It will have to be kept reasonable or it will backfire, but I don't have a problem with that. I've paid untold thousands of dollars in SIN tax when I drank alcohol and didn't complain and I hate to think what I've paid in tobacco tax...weed will be no different for up and coming generations. As long as we can all grow if we choose, who cares what they charge in taxes for rec?
 
vianna

"pie in the sky "is my comment to you for saying or at least alluding to the possibity that mom and pops will be allowed to sell herb under any kind of supervision....don'tpretend tyouy don't understand

"pie in the sky "is not "name calling
like you calling me a "magott.."....i keep expecting you to snap[again] and resort to that..but now you are all calm for now

the"reality" is Bill Blair, tough punishemts for trying to buck the LP protecting game, and excluding the people really needed to prevent organized crime....I think there should be LP's and normal people....

and there were years and years of protecting Big Booze before they let the little guy in

this will happen with cannabis ALSO
 
Still aren't going to explain your theory of how legalization will hurt people or be worse than prohibition, huh?
 
Christ, the courts ruled that patients must be allowed to grow their own as anything else is a violation of our charter of rights and freedoms as won in Allard. Simple really. All the Alex Jones tinfoil hat government conspiracies wont change that. There is NO proof to anything otherwise. Anything beyond that is speculation.
 
Well after some reading its illegal to distil or posses distilling equipment for alcohol ie vodka/spirits in Canada. I'm thinking from what the Libs are saying these fuckers will lock it down to make money and only way to grow your own will be a medical exemption or a special license. You can even get in shit for distilling water and it changes depending on the province.
 
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