Post your Soil(less) mix!

2 year composted cow shit *__* and i didn't added any nutrients yet

blueJ said:

I'm about to transplant in an, already, updated mix with added mineral ingredients, after positive results are insured I will update the ingredient list on my mix. Possibly a water only mix (water & teas that is) since a few plants have gone in the mix that is already posted with only maybe 10% of there waterings being bottled ferts, the rest teas or straight water and growth is exceptional. I do expect to be able to drop bottled ferts all together with this new mix, just compost teas, botanical teas & water And pulling better harvests than before

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neat shit. cant wait to hear the outcome. i would love to be able to figure out how to make my own nutes using teas and what not. i plan in messing with it in my next grow.

Kalyx said:

Nice work BlueJ. Am I right in assuming "better harvests than before" is both a quantitative and qualitative statement? Also does before refer to before going veganic or the first few experimental veganic rounds? Danks

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Quantity of AAA buds has increased (but also getting to know your strains can help in knowing how far up to trim bud sites, also, my sour bubble cut now gives golf ball nugs top to bottom, literally, on a 30" plant there are buds 1" from the soil as big as the main colas, sour bubble doesn't do huge colas to begin with but it's great to get 100% top quality nuggage top to bottom, only thing in the trim bag is sugar leaf material), previous runs would have small small buds lower down, still quality, but i'm getting noticeably larger buds further down / away from the light. Plants remain healthy and deficiency free till chop & I was worried at how green this particular strain remains but just a week cure gives a smooth & potent smoke.

My entire grow is easily 99% vegan still, I've only added bone meal to the mix (switching to fish bone meal / crab meal) and topdress with 2TBSP budswel @ transition to flower (when the bag runs out i probably will drop the guano alltogether). These first two runs with bone meal I've noticed an increase in individual calyx size/swelling, stem size/strength & less purple/red stems & veins, for me these are too important to not use bone meal but also the reason I am switching specifically to fish bone/crab shell meal.

But yes I'm referring to both my initial experimenting with veganics (i should really call it fumbling in the dark LOL) and my dialed in runs, but I only became dialed in once I started adding compost/EWC/TEAS and I honestly didn't stick with strict veganics for too long because I don't see any reason not to mimic a full natural cycle of reuse, make sense?

My gardening mantra is quickly becoming:

1. REUSE SOIL
2. RECHARGE SOIL (add compost/EWC in equal parts with a drainage/aeration item i.e. rice hulls / lava rock / perlite / vermiculite for a total ratio of 5:2 old soil:compost/aeration)
3. AMEND SOIL (plant meals: kelp, alfalfa, neem etc. minerals/clays: azomite, greensand, gypsum, langbeinite, bentonite etc. bone/animal meals: (fish)bone, crabshell
4. COMPOST/EWC TEAS
and a 5th one I will be heavily concentrating on as I've seen the beneficts quickly from alfalfa teas (or simply adding alfalfa to your compost tea) and aloe
5. BOTANICAL TEAS

Which may deserve a new thread on the benefits of NETTLES, ALOE, YUCCA, COMFREY, ALFALFA, YARROW and many others, especially considering this is a soil mix thread

Alrighty fellow organic geeks, it's late and i went on a tangent....OH but I was thinking it would be nice to give a little background & nutritional value on each item in the mix and why I/we use it, a sort of quick reference to the ingredients, and add it right to the first post.

SOUR BUBBLE day 42 LIVING ORGANIC RECYCLED SOIL

i guess i should post a pic cause i did mention my soil recipe cheers peeps 32 days done 5 x 10 scrog 2 k

^^^Good shit Drgreener, love it when they pray!

no matter what i do i keep folding leaves as to not block other bud sites next morning there back up like troopers

I had to go back and read your mix drgreener, i bet those worms are workin' their magic in there, especially on the sheep manure & shrimp/seaweed meal. What do you grow in, pots/buckets/fabric/beds? And are they getting water only throughout?

I am using fishbone meal now too for P in the mix. Stinks fierce at first but the mix smells great real soon through it. I just saw the weed nerd where sub tried some crab meal in the mix too. It sounds great because it has tons of Ca as well right? I am ok with using some non vegan non guanos in my mix.

how come fish emulsion isnt organic? I bought mine from a organic certified farm and that's all they use...

I am just starting to re-use my soil with the bokashi composting method, so if all goes well my recipe will always change but for 2 runs in a row now I have been using this recipe:

• 2x 3.8 cu.ft. Promix
  
  .75kg Canola Meal 6-3-1 (that was half the bag I bought I believe)
  2.2kg Flower Power Mix 4-10-4
  about 50 grams garden pro trace elements 0-0-3
  
  5cups Neem Cake 4-3-2
  4cups Flower Guano 2-17-0
  3cups glacial dust rock
  2cups Greensand 0-1-8
  2cups Alfalfa Meal
  
  30liters worm castings
  2 Tbsp humic acid (mix with water and sprayed over the whole pile when it's all mixed up)
  
  I also watered the soil with a little Cal-Mag, and this time I will also use fish emulsion on it, just to get things going!​
  
  
  
  

I think that neem cake is freakin awesome in the supersoil mix, it helps with a lot of shit... Cheers!

Fish emulsions are usually so stripped of content by the end that they are 'beefed up' again with synthetics. Fish hydrolysate is a much better choice and is easier to locate organic and OMRI (Neptune's is very commonly available). Emulsions are waste juice and hydrolysates are whole fish ground up and then enzymatically digested. Fish hydrolysate is far and away a more complete and better food source for microbes and plants. I would never use an emulsion on my gardens.

do you mean you would never use it again since you found better or you say this because it's bad? if the fish emulsion is certified organic I dont think it would be beefed up with synthetic? like I said the farm from which I bought my fish emulsion from is certified organic and that's all they use!

or maybe he sold me the hydrolysate but he wanted me to know what he was talking about and simply called it fish emulsion

Some certifiers may allow emulsion, some do not. IMO hydrolysate is SO much better (neptune's vs. alaska lets say) just simply by what is in there for my 'crobes to eat. That doesn't mean what you have isn't organic. It really depends on the definition of organic YOU are holding your crop to. IMO looking deeper into all our inputs is important, just for different reasons in different gardens and possibly to reach different goals. For example BlueJ likes to use vegan fed worm castings plus mostly all vegan inputs, many do not dig that deep and EWC is EWC to them, they just shop on price or quality instead.

Crabshell meal does add calcium as well as chitin, good source of both.

endurox - great mix! (but I don't know what's in or who makes the Flower Power?) Neem cake / seed meal is awesome, as well as Karanja cake, both are trees in the mahogany family and serve the same general purpose but each have unique properties & pair well in a mix. DTE (down to earth) recently started selling Karanja seed meal which will make it a bit easier for many to source.

Throw my noob mix up, it's just kellogg soil, peat moss, perlite.

You can get it at lowes or homepot.

60% Kellogg soil, 15% perlite, 25% peat moss.This mix works great for clones, but after 1-2 weeks indoors, I have to use nutes, just not as much.Outdoor same thing.

anything you add to this mix let me know, as I'm still new to the grow

That's a good base, add compost or worm castings in equal part to your perlite, that'll supercharge the life in your soil, so to speak, and get "sphagnum peat moss" if you can, it's proven to harbor higher microbial activity right out of the bag. When you're mixing it up, try adding a scoop of alfalfa meal, kelp meal, bone meal, lime. I bet you they'll have a quicker/lusher start and last longer without needing anything from a bottle.

I use Roots Organics Coco Fiber and my friend told me to use cow manure, Mexican bat guano for (N) Worm Casting as a tea for veg and Jamaican bat guano (P) cow manure, worming casting, Molasses for Flower... "MAN the LADIES LOVE IT"