Police Brutality At Cereal City Compassion Club

bob harris

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why so u can bam look at that you have way more than you need blah blah blah ... am i right? it's not fair it's not fair waaaa waaaa waaa booo hooo.how much i profit is nobodies buisness.your just a selfrighteous crybaby cause you used to have to pay full price and because of your condition you thought that everyone owes you "compassion" aka free hard work.
How much you profit is no one business? Like in you shouldn't pay taxes, or file income tax? Ya..that line of thought would interest the State and the Feds. if you view this as a career, or job, surely you expect to pay taxes like everyone else..

I'm not a cry baby over my condition..I'm glad Mi passed a medical mj law to help people with conditions...by the way, what's your condition that require medical mj? Hang nail 10 years ago causing chronic and debilitating pain?

The more you talk, and the more you refuse to answer simple questions....the more you look like the type of moron causing all the problems...
 

bob harris

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he was completly within his state's legal limit's.
There ya go again...disregarding "intent of the law". 24 outdoor full grown plants is clearly abusing the intent of medical use...it may be within the "limits" of the written law....but "intent" of ANY law is clearly implied. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out a guy with 24 full grown outdoor plants had more intent than to supply himself meds...

You'd argue that he had no intent to "sell or distribute"? That's why he got busted...intent...

By the way..look up this guys county mj laws (it's in the post) and tell me if you think this guy was in compliance. He was defiantly working in the "fuzzy" part

His county states that a medical grow may have up to 25 plants..in an area not to exceed 10x10 INDOORS..clearly intended to allow a sea of green...not an out door field. this guy tried to combine State law in Cali which says you May grow outdoors, with county law that gives plant count for indoors.....abusing the law..plain and simple.

People staying totally legit rarely get busted, and when they do, the case gets dismissed.
 

CountGlochula

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How much you profit is no one business? Like in you shouldn't pay taxes, or file income tax? Ya..that line of thought would interest the State and the Feds. if you view this as a career, or job, surely you expect to pay taxes like everyone else..

I'm not a cry baby over my condition..I'm glad Mi passed a medical mj law to help people with conditions...by the way, what's your condition that require medical mj? Hang nail 10 years ago causing chronic and debilitating pain?

The more you talk, and the more you refuse to answer simple questions....the more you look like the type of moron causing all the problems...
i pay taxes on all my income that's the number one reason they are going after everybody.if you must know i had a cranial ectomy performed when i was thirteen as the result of an accident,which causes me to have serious migraines. i went through cat scans every six mo for the fisrt three years after my accident.i dislocated my my left elbow and the bone's almost protruded through the skin tearin every tendon and ligiment that hold's my arm together and now resulting in SEVERE pain. i am a certified welder MIG TIG and stick welding but TIG is what they have me doin most of the time which really put's me in akward position's for proloned period's of time.
 

bob harris

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i pay taxes on all my income that's the number one reason they are going after everybody.if you must know i had a cranial ectomy performed when i was thirteen as the result of an accident,which causes me to have serious migraines. i went through cat scans every six mo for the fisrt three years after my accident.i dislocated my my left elbow and the bone's almost protruded through the skin tearin every tendon and ligiment that hold's my arm together and now resulting in SEVERE pain. i am a certified welder MIG TIG and stick welding but TIG is what they have me doin most of the time which really put's me in akward position's for proloned period's of time.
At least you have a condition....don't know about "chronic and debilitating"...But hey, if you only provide for your patients and your self, report the income, pay taxes and and don't over grow and sell overages..well your legit...ya just don't come across as very legit when you write...there is an awful lot of "I should be able to do whatever I want" in your tone..
 

stumpjumper

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Anyone growing INDOORS (which is the only legal place in Michigan) is nuts if they say they spend less than 200 to 300 per month on electricity alone. (unless they are WAY under lighted) I run 2000 watts (including veg) and that's just flowering 6 sativa's at a time. My electric is a little over 400 a month. fresh soil 100 bucks every grow (50 a month) 20 a month for fertilizer, new bulbs twice a year 300 (25 a month) lets go 20 bucks a month for misc. crap...That's around 515 a month...can I have 5 bucks an hour, 1 hour a day for my labor? that's another 150 a month...665 a month (on the light side)

My sativa's, though high quality, don't yield huge...lets say 2 oz a plant. 12 oz every 2 months. I keep 2.5 oz for myself to get to the next harvest...9.5 oz "overage" every 2 moths.

That's 1900 bucks minus the 1330 in costs ...570 profit every 2 moths. That's basically nothing..

cash cropper mentality would be 'get a higher yielding strain"..but I'm growing for quality, not quantity. cash croppers would say "you don't need that much lighting for 6 plants"..But they don't have a clue about growing true sativa's.

And those same cash croppers, by blatantly disregarding the Michigan med laws, prevent me from legally making the small "profit' I could make
SO you are selling overages?

I'm not picking on you Bob, really.

You are trying to isolate the #4 pheno of Jack Herer (only 55% sativa to begin with) which is the Indica pheno. These are high yielding plants and you should be harvesting WAY more than 2oz per plant especially under 2000w of HPS. You are spending way too much on dirt and nutes. And contrary to your belief, you don't need 2000w to flower 6 Jack Herer's or any other sativa or indica or hybrid (which is what JH is) for that matter, especially only planning on 2oz yields.. Hell you could do that with CFL's ;)

Personally I think you could use some professional guidance to make your grow op more efficient. Seriously. You should be pulling serious weight off of 6 plants under 2000w. Are you just flowering clones as soon as they root without vegging them or what? That wouldn't even make sense because that would be a serious waste of light.
 

CountGlochula

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At least you have a condition....don't know about "chronic and debilitating"...But hey, if you only provide for your patients and your self, report the income, pay taxes and and don't over grow and sell overages..well your legit...ya just don't come across as very legit when you write...there is an awful lot of "I should be able to do whatever I want" in your tone..
you sure are hard for a pissing match!
 

bob harris

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SO you are selling overages?

I'm not picking on you Bob, really.

You are trying to isolate the #4 pheno of Jack Herer (only 55% sativa to begin with) which is the Indica pheno. These are high yielding plants and you should be harvesting WAY more than 2oz per plant especially under 2000w of HPS. You are spending way too much on dirt and nutes. And contrary to your belief, you don't need 2000w to flower 6 Jack Herer's or any other sativa or indica or hybrid (which is what JH is) for that matter, especially only planning on 2oz yields.. Hell you could do that with CFL's ;)

Personally I think you could use some professional guidance to make your grow op more efficient. Seriously. You should be pulling serious weight off of 6 plants under 2000w. Are you just flowering clones as soon as they root without vegging them or what? That wouldn't even make sense because that would be a serious waste of light.
I'm not picking on you either...but you clearly don't understand the difference between "growing weed" and "Cultivating cannabis", at least when it comes to sativas.

You speak of efficiency and weight...cash cropper mindset. I'm talking quality and methods to create quality. Different mind set.

Do you know that Jack Herer has more cannibus cups than any other strain? Have you ever had Herer? Think it was the same flavor, smoothness and quality of effect that the sample that won the cup had? Not quite.

Genetics only guarantee potential. Quality lies in the hand of the grower. Herer has won tons of cannibals cups. Or, should I say Quality growers, choosing to grow and enter Herer have won tons of cups. get the genetics and grow it..in no way guarantees quality at all.

There are some good Indica's available at the dispensaries....no good Sativa's though...ya, you can get "Jack Herer"..but it sucks..compared to what it should be.

Grown by people trying to have efficient cost and worried about yield weight. Cash croppers, in short.

I could cut lighting, spend less on soil and fertilizer, and my quality would degrade to where it was when I didn't have the equipment that I have now. Started with this strain in a tent with 400 watts and no cooling...actually got bigger yields back then...But over time, as I could afford to improve the growing environment...the quality improved by magical amounts. 5 different mixes of guanos, soil and micro nutrients before I found the "flavor" the product should have...tons of experimentation with lighting and uvb to find the right combo to encourage thcv and thc values....while keeping cbd minimal. (1200 watts hps, 600 watss led (for spectrum, not power) 156 watts uvb..not all hps..all hps would not have enough blue,and no uvb. Metal halides work well for blue's..tried them..good results. Went to leds to have less heat to deal with. No radiant heat..can get them real close..That combination allows the trichlomes to tottaly develop much more evenly...max thc/thcv....before half of them go amber and start to degrade to cbd....allows me to let the plant mature,develop all its oils and 'flavanoids" without ripening in "sections"...

I'm not saying my meds would win the cannabis cup, but it would sure as hell make the first few cuts...and I think that's why you don't understand what I do with my grow. You just simply have a low cost/ high yield thought process. Kind of a cash cropper mentality..

As far as my overages? As with most quality Sativa's..they don't get far from home....
 

blissfest

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Some people know how to grow, but most have no clue.

You get what you pay for, just like everything else in this world.
 

tokenbrownguy

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i pay taxes on all my income that's the number one reason they are going after everybody.if you must know i had a cranial ectomy performed when i was thirteen as the result of an accident,which causes me to have serious migraines. i went through cat scans every six mo for the fisrt three years after my accident.i dislocated my my left elbow and the bone's almost protruded through the skin tearin every tendon and ligiment that hold's my arm together and now resulting in SEVERE pain. i am a certified welder MIG TIG and stick welding but TIG is what they have me doin most of the time which really put's me in akward position's for proloned period's of time.
Errrrrrrr....that's craniotomy....
 

stumpjumper

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You just simply have a low cost/ high yield thought process. Kind of a cash cropper mentality...
lol... ok.... Enjoy your 2oz plants man. I'd be embarrassed to admit that's all I could yield off 2k watts. Your quality shouldn't degrade because of a higher yield either... But you got it all figured out so as long as you enjoy spending what you do on it.. enjoy.
 

bob harris

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lol... ok.... Enjoy your 2oz plants man. I'd be embarrassed to admit that's all I could yield off 2k watts. Your quality shouldn't degrade because of a higher yield either... But you got it all figured out so as long as you enjoy spending what you do on it.. enjoy.
It's ok...I love my ladies..as do those whom I share them with....at least I'm not embarrassed by what I grow.....when smoked by those who know what high end Sativa is..
 

bob harris

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Errrrrr that's the procedure for a surgery, i had accident which smashed my skull and then they performed a "CRANIECTOMY" where i am still missing a piece of my skull,it's smaller than a dime but still gone.Errrrr smart ass
No wonder you vent so easily...sorry..couldn't resist it...
 

CountGlochula

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i really feel sorry for your condition and that's awesome that you have found the right strain to help control your condition, and i do believe that people with condition's such as yours deserve's a good price.but i do not believe it should only be used for medicinal.over 22 million american's smoke weed.
 

CountGlochula

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i helped two fellow patient's start up so they didn't have to pay for med's that they truly could not afford, living on gov. funding.i wouldn't try to "profiteer" of those individual's.
 

stumpjumper

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It's ok...I love my ladies..as do those whom I share them with....at least I'm not embarrassed by what I grow.....when smoked by those who know what high end Sativa is..
As do I Bob. I don't know how old you are but I've been a connoisseur for over 20 years. I know the difference between swag and high end and I wouldn't waste my time buying or growing swag. Nobody ever complains about what I have to smoke either.

Your "high end sativa" is a indica dominant phenotype of a fucking hybrid. Who do you think you're bullshitting? lol
 
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