Plasma is the Future of growing!

whazzup said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTnnZ45KmZQ

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Sweet setup. Thanks to you and sannie for keeping us up to date and showing the results of these revolutionary lights. I see you have drasticly changed the appearance of your light from the puck stuck to metal to its own housing. Is that unit also meant to be air cooled? Also, what is the height of the hood from glass to mounts? I really want to give these lights a go, but am concered about my height restrictions. I only have 101cm(3'4")of total height from floor to ceiling. I make it work with a hood height of 9 inches right now with the light 6-12 inches from the light.

This is not a commercial setup - it is a test installation. The final model will be very compact, but that design I'm not at liberty to share yet in this stage of development, as it can still move from that. But it will be compact, air cooled of course but not forced air cooled with a glass plate. The reflector adds some extra heat and we needed that desperately, so in the 80 cm tent the temp now rises about 4 degrees C instead of 2-2,5 with the light on, extraction on minimum

yesterday I have seen the Cannalytics print and yes, we have THCV . THC contents are very high, some cbc/cbg and some cryptics. THCV explains the flashy intense high.

Hi Whazzup;

So that's it? It's like you cut a 5 inch hole in the back of a stock reflector case and mounted everything on it. I'll bet you get all the heat you want now.

Those red LED's would be way more efficient closer to the canopy.

I would really be interested what the relative humidity is 12 inches from the reflector...or even at the canopy level you have it at (50cm?). When you see the stamen dry and wilt that tells you the light is drying out the air next to it. But if you isolate the ultra small heat source from the grow environment the humidity stays more uniform closer to the light.

If you really want to add heat to the growth chamber use a root-mat digital control and heat cable under plywood as a base to the tent. Control the root zone They love 65-68 degrees F and make sure the canopy stays under 78 degrees F. Most people measure the grow environment as a whole but they seldom realize there's so much going on in a small grow environment. The actual heat of the top cola is so much more telling than the room temp. I love IR thermometers for this reason. Aim it at the top and see what the real effect of the proximity of the light is. Same with the Relative humidity. I'll bet the tops in your grow tent are being exasperated by over-transpiration. The tell tale signs are the die off of the Stamen and stunted bud development.

Oh yeah, heat uniformity is one of the main advantages of my plant turntables. It's like cooking on a spit (rotisserie) keeps everything at a uniform temp giving the side that was just right next to the light source some time to absorb the energy.

Anyone visiting the Hightimes Cannabis Cup next week in Amsterdam: I will be showing the prototype (not the improvised reflector casing ) of the lamp on Wednesday during THSeeds presentation by Adam. Bring your sunglasses!

About the heat: Unfortunately we are not yet geting the heat we want . Instead of 2,5 degrees the temperature rises about 4 degrees in an 80 cm tent. Still no heat problem at all. On contrary, we are thinking about using IR leds to heat things up a bit.

Because of the distance of the light to the plants and the relative low temperature at top height we have no humidity "problems". Would it be better to add a fogger? I think so. It's dry in sannies room. But then again 95% of home growers grow this way, with a light, some (good) substrate, nutrients and extraction through a filter. We want to see results in a "real world" environment, not in a lab. Other plants do fine here, so why shouldn't these.

Everything we do here is easily repeatable and with a bit of effort you can create an even better climate if you wish.

The leds are installed to "heal" the red gap in the spectrum. If you don't install a lot of leds you need distance for uniformity. The amount of red light was adjusted to measurements at top height. Fortunately with the Plasma and the reflector you can keep a little distance.

whazzup said:

About the heat: Unfortunately we are not yet geting the heat we want . Instead of 2,5 degrees the temperature rises about 4 degrees in an 80 cm tent. Still no heat problem at all. On contrary, we are thinking about using IR leds to heat things up a bit.

Because of the distance of the light to the plants and the relative low temperature at top height we have no humidity "problems". Would it be better to add a fogger? I think so. It's dry in sannies room. But then again 95% of home growers grow this way, with a light, some (good) substrate, nutrients and extraction through a filter. We want to see results in a "real world" environment, not in a lab. Other plants do fine here, so why shouldn't these.

Everything we do here is easily repeatable and with a bit of effort you can create an even better climate if you wish.

The leds are installed to "heal" the red gap in the spectrum. If you don't install a lot of leds you need distance for uniformity. The amount of red light was adjusted to measurements at top height. Fortunately with the Plasma and the reflector you can keep a little distance.

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Did you make design changes for the production model? Hope everything goes great. I do wish you would give some hard data about temp and relative humidity. I guess that's so I can make my point but you obviously don't want to support my findings. (I can't blame after our 'discussion')

To the readers this is the issue. This light gets as hot as the suface of the sun, but it's suface area is only the size of a pencil erracer. The total heat output is 20% less than a 150 watt HPS. There is more suface area on the HPS so you get more heat transfere to the surrounding area with HPS. And the LEP is more efficient so it puts more of it's energy into usable light instead of Infra-Red. BUT the super heated surface of the tic-tac size emitter acts like the perfect dehumidifier. It expands the air molecules to be able to handle 10 times the capacity for moisture thus decreasing the relative humidity in a micro-climate environment. If these aren't segregated from the grow environment the air handling should at least be designed to immediately take the radiant heat away before that air mixes with the air below.

We're almost ready to officially release pictures for our design. This is going to ROCK our world.

Coming week I'll publish a picture with the spectrum both lights emit. You all know the nice graphs on the HPS lamps with PAR light. But what you don't see is the IR light (conveniently cut off). Well I can tell you it is extremely high for the HPS and very low in the LEP. It does get hot (deep) inside the cell but there is very little IR radiation. As said, in a 80x80 cm tent temp rises 4 Celsius. We are seriously thinking about more heat.

As for the warm air: Yes, that can escape directly upwards.

as for warm air mixing: That is highly unlikely to happen with the light at 60 cm from the crop.

Yo plasmargon - are these like the ones being sold in Europe? Wattage and lumens aren't all there is people, there's also 'throwing distance' which I think is very much in this product's favor. LEDs have like NO throwing distance. You could build a 1000w LED lamp with the current technology and it's not going to do squat past 1-2' down from the lamps.

PLS and the other (magnetic?) are the future. Ask Dutch growers...

Gavita will market their light only in Europe as they are the European distributor for Luxim in the horticultural market. There are other suppliers as well, such as Chameleon Grow Systems (they seem to have just boxed the light with some leds) but they will start delivering their products March coming year.

Wow, I just spent 2 hours reading this from front to back...whew... after reading plasma & whazzup go at it my mind is blown. Man u2 are intense, I usually get up and peep out the forums, smoke out and chill. Now my head hurts like when I'm fighting with my woman.....its almost time to do homework, shit!

There's a lot of passion involved!

Reading the grow thread is a more soothing experience

whazzup said:

There's a lot of passion involved!

Reading the grow thread is a more soothing experience

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You're right, I apologize for my part in the passion, but man this light is awesome.

My only desire here is to send the message what is going to happen in the near future. Plasma is gonna light this world soon and I got to be the first person to use this new technology for the cause. It's like discovering a new hot woman. She might thrill you, but it's still alot of work to keep her and your friends will never believe you 'till you bring her around.

plasmargon said:

You're right, I apologize for my part in the passion, but man this light is awesome.

My only desire here is to send the message what is going to happen in the near future. Plasma is gonna light this world soon and I got to be the first person to use this new technology for the cause. It's like discovering a new hot woman. She might thrill you, but it's still alot of work to keep her and your friends will never believe you 'till you bring her around.

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Man when I wish that I had found this thread a couple of weeks ago. I just picked up my 1st 1000w hps and now I'm kicking myself in the ass!

I think that I probably would have waited until next year to pick up one of these new high-speed plasma set-ups....

Going to have to squeeze a few harvests from the hps and stack up some change to get one of these babys.

I'm interested to see where this goes and how it can work out for large scale commercial operations.

All this technology and who's going to buy it? Some rich dude doing a closet grow. lol.

jolly8541 said:

Man when I wish that I had found this thread a couple of weeks ago. I just picked up my 1st 1000w hps and now I'm kicking myself in the ass!

I think that I probably would have waited until next year to pick up one of these new high-speed plasma set-ups....

Going to have to squeeze a few harvests from the hps and stack up some change to get one of these babys.

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LOL....your 1k hps light is still gonna be top dog for a while. These pls lights are small right now and SUPER expensive. When/if I buy a plasma it'll just be for vegging most likely. I'll still flower with the hps. Maybe if they come out with a lot bigger pls and the price goes way down they could replace our big hps/mh lamps but thats years away, realistically.

The Warlord said:

LOL....your 1k hps light is still gonna be top dog for a while. These pls lights are small right now and SUPER expensive. When/if I buy a plasma it'll just be for vegging most likely. I'll still flower with the hps. Maybe if they come out with a lot bigger pls and the price goes way down they could replace our big hps/mh lamps but thats years away, realistically.

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Hey Warlord you've got a great point, I wasn't thinking about the size of the lights, so at this point the pls are for smaller grows? I'm trying to step-it up a bit, and the 1000hps is lightyears from where I was growing 2 months ago. I'm a little apprehensive to see what the first light bill is going to be.

I'm definately going to be peeping this pls thing and see where it goes.