Plants sagging only at the end of light cycle in veg, before and after pics.

goatlicker

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Another update boys, still doing the same thing but still not as bad as it was.
Middle one does seem to sag a little also now too.
I'm starting to think its humidity? It gets as low as 30RH and as long as it isn't affecting growth or anything i can live with them doing this.
Could possibly be over watering so i went and got a probe thing i can poke in the soil to let me know when it's dry and i'll use that/let them dry out then water.
It's not temps, they never got over 23.6c last cycle at canopy height.
Just out of curiousity when they're looking nice are they the "right size" for their age of 4 weeks for the big one and 3 weeks for the others?
Is there anything i can do to raise humidity to test it for a light cycle? Or is humidity not doing that.
 

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CrudeDude

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I know, that's what it looks like to me, but it happens no matter if they've been watered or not.
I tend to pick up the containers and see how heavy they are.
The top inch is cold and a little moist, but i don't think they need water yet as they're heavy. and only happening to 2 plants.
My plants do the same thing before lights out. It’s the plants getting ready for sleep if you changed the schedule you’d notice it starts again after a couple days. It’s like they anticipate going to sleep.
 

CrudeDude

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Another update boys, still doing the same thing but still not as bad as it was.
Middle one does seem to sag a little also now too.
I'm starting to think its humidity? It gets as low as 30RH and as long as it isn't affecting growth or anything i can live with them doing this.
Could possibly be over watering so i went and got a probe thing i can poke in the soil to let me know when it's dry and i'll use that/let them dry out then water.
It's not temps, they never got over 23.6c last cycle at canopy height.
Just out of curiousity when they're looking nice are they the "right size" for their age of 4 weeks for the big one and 3 weeks for the others?
Is there anything i can do to raise humidity to test it for a light cycle? Or is humidity not doing that.
Humidity would make your leaves real crispy. Looks to me like you’re over watering and the plants will naturally droop before lights out like i said before
 

goatlicker

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Humidity would make your leaves real crispy. Looks to me like you’re over watering and the plants will naturally droop before lights out like i said before
Ah well thats a good thing i guess.
Yeah i figured i might've been over watering a little bit so have a probe thing that i can check how dry it is, do i wait until it's "dry" on the meter i have?
Yeah i did read that somewhere, left hand one is worse than others i guess, or it's been over watered more.
It probably has been over watered as when it showed these signs it looked like under watering so i watered it, and so on.
I'll let them dry out a bit more, maybe it isn't the lights doing it after all.
 

CrudeDude

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Ah well thats a good thing i guess.
Yeah i figured i might've been over watering a little bit so have a probe thing that i can check how dry it is, do i wait until it's "dry" on the meter i have?
Yeah i did read that somewhere, left hand one is worse than others i guess, or it's been over watered more.
It probably has been over watered as when it showed these signs it looked like under watering so i watered it, and so on.
I'll let them dry out a bit more, maybe it isn't the lights doing it after all.
under watering and overwatering can give the same symptoms. I’ve never used a moisture meter other than my finger. I stick my index finger in the dirt in a couple spots down to my second knuckle. If it feels wet I let it go another few hours and check. You’ll get the feel for it and know when your plants need a cold drink. Also lift your pot to feel weight before you water and after you water to judge the weight. Mine were drinking about a half gallon ever 3-4 days and now they’re taking a gallon each every other day still in veg. I alternate fresh ph water one feeding then ph nuetrient water the next. A 600 wt light is plenty good enough but you wanna make sure you’re in the right height range. 24” for veg is good imo but I’d raise it to 30+” for seeds and preveg. The books say When your cotyledons (first leaves that sprout from seed) fall off you’re officially in veg state but I start feeding nuets at 6 weeks from seed in ffof soil. If you start from seed in a 5g pot and never transplanted the nuets will be depleted within that 6 weeks usually if transplanting it’ll take longer so you have to watch the plants. Keep eyes on fan leaves as that’s where your problems will start if you have any. I start at one feed at 1/4 str then the next at 1/2 then keep it at half for a few feedings unless they have deficiency signs then I’ll go to full. Otherwise I stay at half usually. I wait till I see a very slight yellowing of the tips before innuet anything. And I’ll usually pour a gallon through and check runoff. If your run off ppm is low like 250’s -500’s then your soils depleted. Once you know your souls depleted you just start watering nuets every other feeding. Your plants will use what you give as long as the ph range is right. If you’re in soil you wanna be shooting for 6.5 ph every time. The ph of your soil imo doesn’t matter and you’ll just chase your tail. Ppm is only important in runoff for me to know what level my soils at. Other than that I make sure im between 800-1000 ppm in my res at 6.5 and then send it. Hope some of that helps. By no means am I an expert but I’ve learned a lot here and experimenting on my own. A cannabis plant is a very hardy species and can usually survive most situations. Mostly you will get slow growth till you get everything dialed in. My entire grow is automated except watering. Hvac, heat, humidifier, dehumidifier, exhaust fan, lights etc all run off sensors located all around the room that control relays back down at my master panel based of those readings. I monitor temps in 4 locations and also monitor humidity and c02 levels. Same control system that runs a Walmart or heb or any big box grocery store is the same system I have in my room controlling it. If you’ve got the know how, a pi and a bit of python code and a few external relay modules and you can automate your equipment pretty easily. Here’s my girls the other day. Got two clones behind the big ones and the baby in the half gallon milk jug is getting mainlined for a project plant.

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goatlicker

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under watering and overwatering can give the same symptoms. I’ve never used a moisture meter other than my finger. I stick my index finger in the dirt in a couple spots down to my second knuckle. If it feels wet I let it go another few hours and check. You’ll get the feel for it and know when your plants need a cold drink. Also lift your pot to feel weight before you water and after you water to judge the weight. Mine were drinking about a half gallon ever 3-4 days and now they’re taking a gallon each every other day still in veg. I alternate fresh ph water one feeding then ph nuetrient water the next. A 600 wt light is plenty good enough but you wanna make sure you’re in the right height range. 24” for veg is good imo but I’d raise it to 30+” for seeds and preveg. The books say When your cotyledons (first leaves that sprout from seed) fall off you’re officially in veg state but I start feeding nuets at 6 weeks from seed in ffof soil. If you start from seed in a 5g pot and never transplanted the nuets will be depleted within that 6 weeks usually if transplanting it’ll take longer so you have to watch the plants. Keep eyes on fan leaves as that’s where your problems will start if you have any. I start at one feed at 1/4 str then the next at 1/2 then keep it at half for a few feedings unless they have deficiency signs then I’ll go to full. Otherwise I stay at half usually. I wait till I see a very slight yellowing of the tips before innuet anything. And I’ll usually pour a gallon through and check runoff. If your run off ppm is low like 250’s -500’s then your soils depleted. Once you know your souls depleted you just start watering nuets every other feeding. Your plants will use what you give as long as the ph range is right. If you’re in soil you wanna be shooting for 6.5 ph every time. The ph of your soil imo doesn’t matter and you’ll just chase your tail. Ppm is only important in runoff for me to know what level my soils at. Other than that I make sure im between 800-1000 ppm in my res at 6.5 and then send it. Hope some of that helps. By no means am I an expert but I’ve learned a lot here and experimenting on my own. A cannabis plant is a very hardy species and can usually survive most situations. Mostly you will get slow growth till you get everything dialed in. My entire grow is automated except watering. Hvac, heat, humidifier, dehumidifier, exhaust fan, lights etc all run off sensors located all around the room that control relays back down at my master panel based of those readings. I monitor temps in 4 locations and also monitor humidity and c02 levels. Same control system that runs a Walmart or heb or any big box grocery store is the same system I have in my room controlling it. If you’ve got the know how, a pi and a bit of python code and a few external relay modules and you can automate your equipment pretty easily. Here’s my girls the other day. Got two clones behind the big ones and the baby in the half gallon milk jug is getting mainlined for a project plant.

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Massive reply haha, thankyou though. i appreciate it.
I've grown before and have a fair idea on nutes and PH etc, i've checked the run off of my plants, went in at 6.5 and come out at 6.5 so no issues there really.
I think whats happened is i've overwatered as it looked underwatered and felt light, i won't be able to lift them soon as there will be a scrog net etc.
I'll let them dry out a bit and use a meter just to be accurate and see if that helps.
I've got the light at 29 inches from last night and made a bit of a difference, but they still sagged this morning as anticipation of the lights turning off i guess.
They're peaked before the lights turn on and look amazing so they know when it's about to turn on too.
 

CrudeDude

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Massive reply haha, thankyou though. i appreciate it.
I've grown before and have a fair idea on nutes and PH etc, i've checked the run off of my plants, went in at 6.5 and come out at 6.5 so no issues there really.
I think whats happened is i've overwatered as it looked underwatered and felt light, i won't be able to lift them soon as there will be a scrog net etc.
I'll let them dry out a bit and use a meter just to be accurate and see if that helps.
I've got the light at 29 inches from last night and made a bit of a difference, but they still sagged this morning as anticipation of the lights turning off i guess.
They're peaked before the lights turn on and look amazing so they know when it's about to turn on too.
Honestly I was kinda high and just started rambling lol.
 

CrudeDude

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Well hopefully it was just a bit of overwatering.
That’s what it looked like to me. Here’s one of mine when I was out of town my wife forgot to water it. Watered 2 of them but not the third lol. She’s not allowed to smoke and watch the plants anymore lol. Bounced back just fine though
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AMillz710

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IME this almost always happens. Cpl hrs b4 lights go out they start "wilting". It has to do with the light cycle. They do know when lights are "supposed" to come on or go off. When they start to wilt they're telling u they're tired lol. They look great otherwise . I'd keep doing what you're doing. Definitely wouldn't change much other than keeping lights 2 or even 2 1/2 feet away with a 400hps. If it was a overwatering issue they would ALWAYS look wilted. I go by feel tho they should be REALLYYY light before you water again. It's going to sound weird, but I've also seen people use a 6/2 cycle (6 hrs on 2 hrs off) instead of 18/6, with great results. I haven't done it myself, but I guess it gives the ladies more of a chance to rest.
 
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AlCaponeNZ

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Bro I’m from nz what’s up??
And plants droop isn’t bad I wouldn’t let it worry you.

I got plants that droop and pray and same results at the end haha.. as long as you don’t put your plants under to much stress then your good
 
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