Plant Moisture Stress - Symptoms and Solutions

iNDoorGrowBro said:

Sorry to see your seedlings in such dire conditions.. I'm a first time grower as well. I don't have any growing experience (except for my current grow. my 10 plants are just about 7 weeks old).

When I started my seedlings, for the first week or so I kept the humidity above 50% (usually 55-65%) by keeping a plastic dome-like cover over them. From time to time, I would spray the inside of the dome with water or you could also spray their trays to keep the humidity level up.

How big/tall are the "pots" are you using? They kinda like a bird's nest (no offense) I've just never seen anything like it. (I'm sure drainage is not an issue =)
What type of Miracle Grow did you use? On the label, did you notice if it had "time release nutes"? What was the N/P/K ratio (nitrogen/phosphorus/potassium)
REMEMBER, I am a first timer also! But IF I were in your shoes, I would try raising the light to 40" or 44" just in case. And I'd keep a close eye on them. (But I doubt it's a light issue. Light being 36" sounds reasonable)

My guess is it's something in the soil mix/ some type of nutrient issues. But I'm sure someone with more growing experience will shed some light on your situation.. just hang in there, and keep checking back. Search the forums too, lots of great info on lights, soils, deficiencies, etc... best wishes on your grow

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Just some thoughts and observations.

1. You guys need to learn what makes a plant tick. Which means if this your first time at growing indoor plants, it will show as such.

2. Do not use a paper towel to germinate. Germinate directly in soil using pots that are at least 6" tall.

3. Give them plenty of water. Incorporating organics like blood meal and bone meal is good.

4. Don't worry about pH and RH. Cannabis is pH tolerant regarding elemental uptake and RH is irrelevant if you have a decent root system.

5. It's all in the balance. If you understand that balance, this is the results you should expect. Note the lighting, temps, etc. - https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/9114-spin-out-chemical-root-pruning.html By week 3, my plants required watering twice a day, and when I water, I drench until there is a lot of free runoff.

6. Cannabis forums are the worst places to lurk if you truly want to learn how to garden. Apply your papa's tomato techniques and you'll be fine. Apply cannabis forum techniques and you will surely screw the whole thing up.

Good luck,
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben,
Thanks for your input. Not much help though, all philosophical and such. How did you learn what makes a plant tick? My father never grew tomatoes, so that doesn't mean anything to me. Cannabis is the first plant I have ever tried to grow.

Thanks indoorgrowbro, having someone to talk it through helps me to rule out some variables. I will take some new pics soon, but they seem to be improving under the floros. Fingers crossed!

chronicis said:

Uncle Ben,
Thanks for your input. Not much help though, all philosophical and such.

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May the Great Floro God be with you.

Sorry, unc, didnt mean to offend you. I'm just trying to learn.
I think my plants were transpiring too much water from the leaves for the small seedling roots to replenish. Light was too intense with high heat and low humidity, no solid root system has established yet so they dont have any means to replace the water they are losing through the leaves. They are responding well to the floros, temps have dropped, and I think they just might recover.

chronicis said:

Sorry, unc, didnt mean to offend you. I'm just trying to learn.
I think my plants were transpiring too much water from the leaves for the small seedling roots to replenish. Light was too intense with high heat and low humidity, no solid root system has established yet so they dont have any means to replace the water they are losing through the leaves. They are responding well to the floros, temps have dropped, and I think they just might recover.

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You're not offending me, it's not my plants at stake.....just showing me that you're not willing to listen. Not gonna belabor the issues. For your shortcut to success buy Mel Frank's "MJ Insiders Growers Guide" from Redeye Press.

You didn't look at my link. Look at the growth from week one to week two. I start seedlings under full sun or HID, as soon as they pop the soil's surface. As long as you practice stupid forum practices such as germinating seeds in a paper towel, you will fail. Your plants are stunted and will never have the vigor of plants that grow normally. "Shit can" them is my advice, and try again, AFTER, reading a book or two on basic plant culture, which includes proper plant nutrition. It helps to have gardened with a knowledgeable gardener, like your grandpappy growing ivy, apple trees, a veggie garden. If I had to guess you failed because you used a paper towel to germinate, your plants didn't have constant moisture nor proper nutrition.

Temps should be 85/70F, day/night, as a good average. Light about 6,000 f.c. for 20/4. Well aerated soil but constantly damp. NEVER allow your soil to dry out.

Also, shit can the coco pots. Are you growing orchids or ferns? Don't tell me, the dude at the hydro store said those pots were the shit, eh.

Observe the equipment and techniques that commercial nurserymen, farmers, horticulturalists use. Stay away from cannabis forum techniques, in general. 90% of the stuff around here is just plain stupid based on ignorance and/or a lack of experience. You have a choice - choose the forum blind leading the blind, or conventional horticulture.....the latter being honed for a century. Conventional gardening techniques were used in this garden. Reason why it worked so well --> https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/9114-spin-out-chemical-root-pruning.html

UB

I bought a bubba kush plant and a pineapple chunk from my bro who was using foxfarm to fert with but I'm poor so I use Shultz but both plants are not doing as well as the plants I started. I think I'm having a fert prob but can't tell if it's deficient or abundant.. So I've began alternating from fert water to regular water. The PC seems to be stunted and the BK is drooping. Any advise???

Its all good Ben. I am definitely willing to listen. Thank you for the advice. I am nose deep in several gardening books.

And no, the guy at the hydro store did not specifically recommend these pots, I simply grabbed them off the shelf because they were the first cheap ones I saw, thinking that I would transplant out of them soon enough. But that wasn't even my first mistake, ha.

I've read the spin out thread, and agree with the concept. I don't give a shit what goes into my body at this point, everything causes cancer these days.

Thanks again.

chronicis said:

Its all good Ben. I am definitely willing to listen. Thank you for the advice. I am nose deep in several gardening books.

And no, the guy at the hydro store did not specifically recommend these pots, I simply grabbed them off the shelf because they were the first cheap ones I saw, thinking that I would transplant out of them soon enough. But that wasn't even my first mistake, ha.

I've read the spin out thread, and agree with the concept. I don't give a shit what goes into my body at this point, everything causes cancer these days.

Thanks again.

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What makes you think anything is going anywhere regarding the Spin-out product? There you go again, not dealing with facts.

Not sure what you mean. It sounds like the spin out paint is awesome... I am willing to give it a try, if I can find it.

Uncle Ben any help on my previous post? Update my bubba kush is no longer drooping. But it is cupping n some leaves r getting dry n brittle. So I believe it's over-fert. As far as the pineapple chunk it's not making any growth progress. My Pc clones r doing good n my GDP n light of jah are doing great.

Trichrome Troy said:

Uncle Ben any help on my previous post? Update my bubba kush is no longer drooping. But it is cupping n some leaves r getting dry n brittle. So I believe it's over-fert. As far as the pineapple chunk it's not making any growth progress. My Pc clones r doing good n my GDP n light of jah are doing great.

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No clue. Sorry.

U.B.,i followed most of your advises (no paper towel,2-4 main collas),my plants are about 5 weeks old(1 week outside),started inside under sfls in gold label light mix(already had it,short of funds to by new shit),there are some nuts in it+micros,however,no nute burn(thk god),i have some problems with my plants sinse planting outside(2 days really heavy raining,forecast didn't mention it),however,this is normal in this part of the world(east europe).then 2 days heavy sun,so lower leafs are a bit burn,but today seems that they catch up(seen a little new grow,sorry,no pic.,but it is a guer.grow,don't know how safe to post a pic.,in this country even a pic.is enough to get arrested and have many-many troubles).looks like the soil is not very good,i def.need nutes,my question is:i allready have some canna tera nutes,it says N-P-K ratio is 3-1-4(+micros),its a 10 liter,expensive shit, so should i use it(may be+something,the money have been spent months ago),or dump it and buy something else?(allready found someth.local with approp.N-P-K,according to your advises(love the pic.of your plants+2 or 4 main collas working great so far,done that 1 week before transpl.outside).3-1-4is pretty close to your advises,but still not the same,so i had to ask,it's too wet now(the durt),but seems that next week i have to water(it's going to be very hot next couple of weeks,30+deg. C,and my girls(purple widow by the way,sat.-ind.hibr.)are getting full sun all day long.(i am sat.fan too,could not find pure sat.with good gen.this year reccom. for outside).+i nave 37 of them(3 never spr.),hopefully all 36 are girls(i found 1 male(99%sure),it's planted in another plase,need some seeds in case it's good gen.)also,is it normal to pref.in 5 week?or i nave been mistaken?

tabasito said:

U.B.,i followed most of your advises (no paper towel,2-4 main collas),my plants are about 5 weeks old(1 week outside),started inside under sfls in gold label light mix(already had it,short of funds to by new shit),there are some nuts in it+micros,however,no nute burn(thk god),i have some problems with my plants sinse planting outside(2 days really heavy raining,forecast didn't mention it),however,this is normal in this part of the world(east europe).then 2 days heavy sun,so lower leafs are a bit burn,but today seems that they catch up(seen a little new grow,sorry,no pic.,but it is a guer.grow,don't know how safe to post a pic.,in this country even a pic.is enough to get arrested and have many-many troubles).looks like the soil is not very good,i def.need nutes,my question is:i allready have some canna tera nutes,it says N-P-K ratio is 3-1-4(+micros),its a 10 liter,expensive shit, so should i use it(may be+something,the money have been spent months ago),or dump it and buy something else?(allready found someth.local with approp.N-P-K,according to your advises(love the pic.of your plants+2 or 4 main collas working great so far,done that 1 week before transpl.outside).3-1-4is pretty close to your advises,but still not the same,so i had to ask,it's too wet now(the durt),but seems that next week i have to water(it's going to be very hot next couple of weeks,30+deg. C,and my girls(purple widow by the way,sat.-ind.hibr.)are getting full sun all day long.(i am sat.fan too,could not find pure sat.with good gen.this year reccom. for outside).+i nave 37 of them(3 never spr.),hopefully all 36 are girls(i found 1 male(99%sure),it's planted in another plase,need some seeds in case it's good gen.)also,is it normal to pref.in 5 week?or i nave been mistaken?

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What is the question?

Welcome to the world of gardening. You ought to try farming. Mother nature will kick your ass no matter what you do or how much you plan for the unforseen.

the question is:is it o.k. to use this fert.(3-1-4),or to dump it and buy new one(in case that canna shit is going to do more harm than help)sorry,i don't know much about fertilisers,cannot make the diferense,buying canna terra i thought i am buying the best for my ladys.later read sooo many thinks and i am allready not sure.they are going good so far,i don't wanna harm or lose them.thanks for the greetings and the fast response

tabasito said:

the question is:is it o.k. to use this fert.(3-1-4),or to dump it and buy new one(in case that canna shit is going to do more harm than help)sorry,i don't know much about fertilisers,cannot make the diferense,buying canna terra i thought i am buying the best for my ladys.later read sooo many thinks and i am allready not sure.they are going good so far,i don't wanna harm or lose them.thanks for the greetings and the fast response

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I'll say it before UB does: Read a book on what makes any plant work .... or skip right to the nutrition part. ( i wouldnt advise skipping anything though)
ANY food is fine to use , but i would have to write a whole book to explain how to use different foods, so i'll leave that up to you.

the answer to your question is canna shit is fine. way too expensive but the food is fine.



soil

TI'll say it before UB does: Read a book on what makes any plant work .... or skip right to the nutrition part. ( i wouldnt advise skipping anything though)
ANY food is fine to use , but i would have to write a whole book to explain how to use different foods, so i'll leave that up to you.

the answer to your question is canna shit is fine. way too expensive but the food is fine.
Thank you,i read sooo many things allready,(way so many,a got confused from that much information in a such a short period),so i decided to ask to make sure.the problem is,that i bought it BEFORE to discover this site(which is great by the way),and in my country there is a lack of information on canabis(close to none),and the only availiable suggested to buy something like that(canna,gh,an).I KNEW that it way to expens.(appr.100$,here it is like 500 in USA),i knew that there are many"regular"ferts.,that will do the same,but at the time i had no sourse of information which one to use,and i had to travel appr.100 miles to get this shit,along with potting soil,which has no bugs in it to start the seedlings(i live in city,but we have only soil,that probably is mixed with local natural-well,"city"here is anything over 50 000 population).so lately the fog,that mj is something"spesial"and"diff"from another plants is gone,i am starting to open my eyes slowly,i allways read and study before to do something,just need a source,and the best way is to ask someone experienced .i have a few gardens under my belt,but it was 14 years ago(the last one),at the time almost no one knew what this plant is(and we have hemp everywhere,no one was paying attention),i was using comp.chiken/bird manure+(don't know eng.words),but how every teen and so many others know how mj looks like(damn internet and tv news),so i had to go guerilla,no way to carry soil and shit to that plase,so liquid nutes were my only way out.that's how i ended with that canna shit.anyway,lesson learned,and thank you again for the response&advise+rep+its a good news(not all the money is wasted,just part of it(well-the major part),and the best is-i still have a food for the babys(hopefulli they will love it)

Uncle Ben said:

Yep, I think you did. Just checked my mail and don't have anything recent.

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Figgers...lost, like my enthusiasm it contained.

But, things change...you got mail with updates...I checked & made sure it "sent" this time.

Quick question. not too far into growing, plant has 3 sets of leaves. barely any nubs are just coming in around the first set of leaves. BUT... The plant is very limp. Weak, cant hold itself up. I've taken care of it with root helper and amino aid (Supercharger) The roots were a brownish color, but the plant is still very green and not leathery or crispy (Dried up) at all. Just limp. Does this mean i should water it more? I don't add puddles of water like I thought I would've. First time grower, and I'm not even sure how much water to give them. What i've been doing is just spritzing the visible layer of soil with a small mist. Just enough to dampen the very top layer. Maybe someone could help me get a schedule of when to water or how much to give them? I really only have a water bottle for watering as of now and that little spray bottle. Very little, kinda like one of those Warhead sour spray bottles. Very small. Anyone able to give me some insight?

Riseup420 said:

Quick question. not too far into growing, plant has 3 sets of leaves. barely any nubs are just coming in around the first set of leaves. BUT... The plant is very limp. Weak, cant hold itself up. I've taken care of it with root helper and amino aid (Supercharger) The roots were a brownish color, but the plant is still very green and not leathery or crispy (Dried up) at all. Just limp. Does this mean i should water it more? I don't add puddles of water like I thought I would've. First time grower, and I'm not even sure how much water to give them. What i've been doing is just spritzing the visible layer of soil with a small mist. Just enough to dampen the very top layer. Maybe someone could help me get a schedule of when to water or how much to give them? I really only have a water bottle for watering as of now and that little spray bottle. Very little, kinda like one of those Warhead sour spray bottles. Very small. Anyone able to give me some insight?

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Get a few books on plant culture.

Bob, got you covered.

Uncle Ben said:

Very few.

Not as good as it could be. Leaves are the lifeblood of your production. Lose them, lose potential production. It's just simple botany folks. Don't make this growing thing some mystical and romantical thingie requiring you to suck up to every new rocket fuel offering from a hydro store. Cannabis is a weed, grow it like a tomato for Christ's sakes.

SUPERHANDS, happy to see you find some value in my posts.

Good luck,
UB

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Thank you for reminding folks there is no magic potion to a successful grow. It is a weed for fucks sake! No nutrient product can make up for bad genes and a bad environment. Luckily we are all masters of our universes here! When I was getting started I went out and bought all sorts of useless shit. Never, not even one cycle did I notice a difference from introducing the latest product. So I just started using common sense. Now that's my program, common sense, scientific deductioning. It is the best thing you can give to your grow! I am super stoked there are people on here with similar attitudes towards all this cool kid industry crap! Kudos to you and all the "grow geniuses" out there that simply use trial and error!
And thanks again for mentioning the razor root ball technique. I don't know when or why I stopped doing it, but thank you so much for bringing it up!!!! You are an excellent educator, good to see you love what you do!