Pineapple Express G13 Lab's Seed to Harvest

i was thinking about using an aeroponic system. but now i have to check out this water farm method. could it really beat an aeroponic system?

SCOTTYBALLS said:

Harvest will be tomarrow... finale yeild will not be for another week or so.. I may take a few shots of the set up when Im done if i have time.. I top off with fresh water till I reach 4 gallons of topped of water wich is equal to the 4 galons of nutes solution.. also every other nute change i flushed the system with straight water so the roots have a chance to flush toxxins usally for about 24 hours.. you would be surprised what this dose I put in water at 39 ppm and next day it rose to 200-300 ppm. And yes i just dump the tote after the plant drinks about 2 gallons to make it easyier.. and no cab this time this one was a planned monster I could fill up 3 of those cabs with this one..

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cant wait to see some pics... i want to get my hands on this strain.... hopefully the dispensaries around here will have clones of this soon.

cannav0re said:

cant wait to see some pics... i want to get my hands on this strain.... hopefully the dispensaries around here will have clones of this soon.

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I would save your money for somthing else.. Its ok but ive had better..

To the other poster yes the pump is what is used to pump the water up to the drip ring. How long you can go without adding water or nutes depends on the size of the resivor and the size of the plant ... This last one was drinking 2 gallons a day and yeild is looking at about 23 ounces..

OMG! a 23 oz plant! YOU HAVE TO POST a PICTURE!!! YOU caN NOT tease like that!!! but congratulations, i wish i could grow that much.

SCOTTYBALLS said:

I would save your money for somthing else.. Its ok but ive had better..

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so which strain should i go for? i prefer to lean towards the sativa side. any suggestions?

Hey guys I am new and looking for a little help with a scottyballs set up.

I plan on running two 400w CMH bulbs in a Secret Jardine with two waterfarms. I will be growing for me and three other friends and want to do my best to produce a quality product. So, a few questions.

#1 I live in an apartment and will be growing in spare bedroom. What should my plan be for efficient power usage? Experienced grower at local hydro store said I should run an extra outlet from the breaker box. Seems like a lot of work, is it necessary or should I run extension cords from various outlets through the house?

#2 What size Jardine is best for this operation? If things go well I may want to add a third WF (we smoke a LOT of bud lol) so perhaps just get a monster?

#3 Whats an efficient cooling method? Should I aim for AC in the tent?

#4 I will be testing my water soon, is there a specific kit I should use?

#5 I live in SoCal so I have access to seeds and clones at solid dispensaries. Is there a major difference between clone or seed in terms of the final product? Assuming of course both are high quality.

Should I give a list of readily available seeds and clones? I want to grow Sativa dominant blends fwiw.

I think thats it for now, man this thread is AWESOME!

Also is http://www.htgsupply.com/Product-FLORALUX-400-watt-Metal-Halide-Grow-Light.asp this basically the set up I want? I would need two of these kits, right?

Scotty says in the thread he was growing in a cab about the size of a SJdr60...so if you're running 2 waterfarms you would need at least double the space. But look at the latest mod he's talking about a few posts back, he's getting about a pound from 1 water farm. So it's really up to how much space you have. I would say read this entire thread and scale your operation accordingly. And as for clones or seeds I don't believe there's a difference because a clone is an exact replica of the original plant grown from a seed...assuming the seed was good genetics to begin with.

SCOTTYBALLS said:

I would save your money for somthing else.. Its ok but ive had better..

To the other poster yes the pump is what is used to pump the water up to the drip ring. How long you can go without adding water or nutes depends on the size of the resivor and the size of the plant ... This last one was drinking 2 gallons a day and yeild is looking at about 23 ounces..

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Hey Scotty. With your new additional reservoir you said its 4 gallons. So if its drinking 2 gallons a day then that means you only have to top up the res every two days? Any chance you could get a picture of your res and explain what i need to purchase to copy your design that I saw in the What is a waterfarm thread that you directed Dr Amber to. It sounds perfect and just what im looking for. Is it a open res or a sealed one? Can it be moved in and out from under your pedestool to change res easily? If I had a plant scrogged in a waterfarm and had to move it say if I was being inspected would it be ok to cut the scrog wire and just take the plant out and move it? Or would it collapse under its own weight? Just worried in case i ever have to move it. Thanks for replies good sir

Also with your new system of running the water from external res into the dripper. Did you make the holes in the dripper bigger so that it flows quicker. Is it no longer DWC because the roots arent lying in water with an air pump. Have you changed it back to the original way with an added res or am I thinking of it wrong. It must work better if you changed it right?

alienrain said:

Scotty says in the thread he was growing in a cab about the size of a SJdr60...so if you're running 2 waterfarms you would need at least double the space. But look at the latest mod he's talking about a few posts back, he's getting about a pound from 1 water farm. So it's really up to how much space you have. I would say read this entire thread and scale your operation accordingly. And as for clones or seeds I don't believe there's a difference because a clone is an exact replica of the original plant grown from a seed...assuming the seed was good genetics to begin with.

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Thanks Alien. Im going to go with a DR150 5x5, that should cover the space recs laid out by Scotty.

I read two thread back to back last night, now going to go through and take notes. One thing I am confused about is the ventilation methods. For a tent this size I will need an appropriate fan and then a carbon filter with an intake fan, sucking air OUT..correct? I then either have an AC unit housed in the tent or outside being funneled in...If any of this is wrong please let me know.

So I went and ordered a DR150 and now I am thinking on lighting options. I like the ease of not having to change lights (one less thing to mess up) with the CMH's. I want to make sure I order what I need and get a reasonable deal so can you guys peek at this deal:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/400-watt-CERAMIC-MH-CMH-GROW-LIGHT-400w-Metal-Halide-w-ballast-bulb-hood-lamp-/160812183878?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item2571273146#ht_7306wt_1156

Now it gives plenty of hood options, do you guys have any input on which one I should select?

It takes probably 1 minute to change out a bulb. It's amazingly easy. That being said I would go with the easy cool 6 or the big kahuna because they're both air cooled hoods.

mr2shim said:

It takes probably 1 minute to change out a bulb. It's amazingly easy. That being said I would go with the easy cool 6 or the big kahuna because they're both air cooled hoods.

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Fair enough, but aren't CMH's just better?

They are the closest bulb to the suns spectrum, yes.

thanks man!

another question that perhaps you can help me with. i am getting a 5x5 tent and am looking into cooling options. two 400w CMH lights, plan on putting the ballasts outside. is there a general rule of thumb for how many BTU's I will need?

I live in SoCal fwiw so the outside temperature is more consistent year round than most places.

Should I get a unit that will sit in the tent? I have googled this issue but I cant seem to get a clear answer, some of this stuff is overwhelming

The cooling/ventilation aspect of this really has me confused. I'm sure its simple stuff once you understand whats actually going on but I am not sure yet. Thanks in advance for your patience

BTU is a measurement of energy needed to heat one pound of water. I don't think you want BTU's(unless you're buying an a/c or heater) You're looking for CFM's (Cubic feet per minute) In a 5x5 with two 400w's. I'd say no smaller than a 6" inline fan would do. Are you going to run the two side by side in separate reflectors?

You could do it this way. Carbon Filter -> Inline Fan -> Lights -> Exhaust out tent.

To calculate how many cubic feet your tent is you need to multiply the length width and height. You didn't list height so I'm going to assume it's 6' tall that's 150 cubic feet. So if you get a 6" inline fan, which moves let's say 450cfm you're recirculating the air in the tent 3 times a minute.

With all that said, I run a 5,000btu window a/c in the room my tent is in. Keeps the temp in my tent pretty low. Anywhere from 70-77. If I turn it off it goes up to 81-88.

For those us who have a HPS non-digital ballast and want to burn a CMH bulb, I found this. http://www.growlightexpress.com/pages/ceramic-metal-halide-pv-c0-2.html

http://www.growlightexpress.com/pdf/cmh.pdf I don't have the money for a new 400watt MH ballast, so I'm going to order one and see how it works...

Thanks Mr.Shim.

For a grow op this size am i going to be running BOTH an in-tent AC unit and the CF->Fan->Lights-> exhaust out system?

I assume when using the inline fan you need to have a hood like the EasyCool6?



Also, yes I think it will be side by side two reflectors. Does this mean two fans? I suppose I could run one with the easy cool via carbon filter and fan, an AC unit in tent and then one just with generic reflector. That should provide a nice, cool atmosphere and reduce smell.

Does this sound right?

Its all starting to come together in my head now, thanks man!

I have electrical questions also, basically how do I run this in an efficient manner without blowing circuits or anything. I live in an apartment building and they need to do some breaker replacement tomorrow, I was going to ask the guy about my max wattage under the pretense of wanting to set up hard core gaming room.

You can run them side by side and connect them to one inline fan. Portable a/c's are steep. Are you going to use one of those in the tent or a window a/c and put it in a window the room the tent is in?