PH and organics?

getogrow

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I was under the assumption that the microbes consume the nutrients then basically crap them out again and the plant can absorb them in this broken down state easier, is that right? I cant get my head around it, my plants definitely grow bigger and faster when using great white and i hate to add extra nutrients but they seem to be asking for it. By the way i have been working with a strain for a while now so i was used to feeding her right but after adding great white it just seems she wants more! Maybe its all in my head lol
Yes, 100% correct on the microbes and what they do. (not every single species of bacteria do the same thing but for the most part yes.)
If your soil is in really good condition and kinda low on food then the great white can thrive in there and help to release the food in the soil, making your plants eat/drink more. give um more, just dont keep doing it till you know shes taking it all in.
 

Jimmy the vest uk

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Yes, 100% correct on the microbes and what they do. (not every single species of bacteria do the same thing but for the most part yes.)
If your soil is in really good condition and kinda low on food then the great white can thrive in there and help to release the food in the soil, making your plants eat/drink more. give um more, just dont keep doing it till you know shes taking it all in.
In your opinion what would be the first signs to look out for of her not taking it up?
 

Jimmy the vest uk

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In your opinion what would be the first signs to look out for of her not taking it up?
I always run a few seeds along side her and sometimes i see leaf curling on a plant here and there,quite often in the kush types and at the same feed schedule my girl can be yellowing up its actually quite amazing to me, im gonna push her this run hopefully she will still produce the same quality of smoke clean white ash and have a bit extra bulk
 

getogrow

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Leaf curling, claws , all very minor and you KNOW your pushing her too hard but you also know if you lay off the food for a couple days then she will straiten right out and grow fine. That is the fine line between too much and plenty. Its not easy to do with multiple strains , so you gotta kind of pay close attention to the ones your pumping and its not abnormal to take a couple of years to figure out one species and how she fits in your setup.
 

Obepawn

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while it sounds good... it's not entirely true. I've come to the conclusion that there is a relevance of pH even when growing organically. If your pH approaches neutral throughout your entire pot, you have decreased solubility of key minerals like phosphorous and your photosynthetic catalysts (Fe, Mn, Zn, Cu, etc). Now your microbes may assist in the breakdown and delivery of some of these nutrients, but the solubility of these nutrients is still relevant because you want mineral diffusion to happen in your soil. The microbes can assist in delivery around the root zone... but you still need to be able to use water to mobilize nutrients throughout the medium because there are some that are in plant available form.

I've experienced this first hand. Massive decreased yields when pH is not on point. Get pH right (usually by starting a fresh mix) and boom yields back where they should be.

Another thing I'm discovering... pH of rain water is around 5.6-5.7 due to formation of carbonic acid in the atmosphere from exposure to CO2... so when pH is creeping up in a container, I see no issue with adding some citric acid crystals to lower the pH of the water and offset some of that alkalinity (which comes from CaCO3 most often). Neutralize the base with acid (which also creates available Ca) and lower the pH back where it should be.

Some will not share this philosophy... but pH is most certainly relevant IMO.
I grow organic and I always ph. Kinda paranoid about not doing it. Better safe than sorry.
 

madvillian420

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I had room in my budget for one more thing and i had to choose between a PAR meter for my lighting issues and a PH meter, i chose the PAR. Havent checked my PH once yet. I figured if i saw any leaf discoloration or other obvious signs of nutrient/PH imbalance id get one, but everything has been great so far. I switched to 12/12 around 20 days ago and my buds are growing nicely. I use Ice Mountain water which has a PH of 6.5
 
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