Perpetual Grow - DWC/Waterfarm 432wT5 Veg, 600w HPS Flower

eastcoastmo said:

Man, cheers for the detailed response hey, after seeing your results im pretty much sold on the LED! My choice was between a 250w CMH or the 300w LED and i reckon the LED will work better

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As long as you know there is a BIG difference between led manufacturers

Most do not make a light specifically for mj, but fake it with multispectrum chips- bad bad bad

Yeah it seems there a lot out there that dont cut the mustard, been looking this morning and have no real idea of which ones are good. If Duud gets good results with his, for $200 im happy to go with one of them for the moment

You can for sure get much better results by purchasing some seriously expensive stuff, of that I am sure. But at this point it seems like you are trolling a little bit. I am not buying that particular $999 light - though I am sure it is awesome - because I don't have that to spend on my lights currently I have found what works for me and I am just having fun growing in my little set up and seeing what I can coax out of the plants within my particular means. I am stoked you have found what works for you....go have fun with it now. Peace.

No, I don't expect many to be able to pony up $1000, but A-51 makes very good lights starting at $250, and BML makes individual bars where you can select your own spectrums

I have no financial connection with A 51. In fact, they ignored me before I hooked up with BML

What MJ Needs

Unlike growing leafy greens, MJ is a fruiting/budding plant. The key to growing mj is white light, which is full spectrum. 11 individual spectrums is not full spectrum.

IR within these chips is a red flag, as quality IR diodes are expensive. Cheap ones won't last, and don't work, but they sound good to a lay person

Further, each band has a different power requirement and heat signature. Butting them up against each other on a pcb is a recipe for slow death. The interfacing materials and heat sink choices are also problem areas inn cheap panels

So, you want either individual diodes (like BML, Apache Tech, A 51) or the new tech is COBS, where the chip consists of many full spectrum whites

PetFlora said:

No, I don't expect many to be able to pony up $1000, but A-51 makes very good lights starting at $250, and BML makes individual bars where you can select your own spectrums

I have no financial connection with A 51. In fact, they ignored me before I hooked up with BML

What MJ Needs

Unlike growing leafy greens, MJ is a fruiting/budding plant. The key to growing mj is white light, which is full spectrum. 11 individual spectrums is not full spectrum.

IR within these chips is a red flag, as quality IR diodes are expensive. Cheap ones won't last, and don't work, but they sound good to a lay person

Further, each band has a different power requirement and heat signature. Butting them up against each other on a pcb is a recipe for slow death. The interfacing materials and heat sink choices are also problem areas inn cheap panels

So, you want either individual diodes (like BML, Apache Tech, A 51) or the new tech is COBS, where the chip consists of many full spectrum whites

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I totally agree on the white light for sure. I should have clarified that one of the 11 bands is white in this particular light. Maybe not as much as the light you have or what have you, but this is more of a step toward more serious LED gear. The Area 51 stuff looks great, but I would need too many of them in my application due to the limited coverage they have right now. The COB is intriguing but I have heard mixed reviews from LED folks on their overall performance! However I still plan on adding one - I have seen some 384w models that look pretty well put together.

And as soon as I have $1K for a light, you can bet I will grab one of the BML. They do look like a very innovative concept.

Hey duude, i pulled pin and got 2 x 280w LEDs made up for me. They both have 8 cree chips and the rest are Bridgelux and Epistar. Cost me $300 delivered and i got to swap round the spectrum so went for a couple UV, more reds, 4 white (3000k and 5000k) and a few blues! Cant wait to get it, its made by beisen or something like that. Probably made in china but who cares, they will pump my cupboard something fierce lol

eastcoastmo said:

Hey duude, i pulled pin and got 2 x 280w LEDs made up for me. They both have 8 cree chips and the rest are Bridgelux and Epistar. Cost me $300 delivered and i got to swap round the spectrum so went for a couple UV, more reds, 4 white (3000k and 5000k) and a few blues! Cant wait to get it, its made by beisen or something like that. Probably made in china but who cares, they will pump my cupboard something fierce lol

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Man...that sounds like that shit. So stoked for you. Seriously, I love growing under LEDs. The resin-production is noticeably heavier under them. I will post some pics later today on how my girls are doing under the 900w Mars II, they are setting buds nice and the Sage n Sour is streeeeetching

Cheers bro, it took me nearly 2 weeks of investigation to go with them so im pretty sure they will do the job well im looking forward to seeing the resin production too, i hear its a lot thicker with LED

Mate, i forgot you got a mars 2, sounds like its working real well for you. Cant wait to see the pics bro

I just got my mars II 400w chose the standard spectrum option... it's in the veg tent... girls seem. To be happy... love that pink glow from the room

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Nice work Scrogs, ive heard good things about the mars 2, some good results coming out of them

get some pics up mo, convince me to invest in some cheap LED's

Havent got them yet mate, should be here in a few weeks, will post up pics when they arrive

Scroga said:

I just got my mars II 400w chose the standard spectrum option... it's in the veg tent... girls seem. To be happy... love that pink glow from the room

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Nice! So far my plants are loving my Mars II.

Sour Diesel (Reserva Privada) day 60 of flower. The buds are so dense and heavy I have to tie her up pretty much into a bundle - ha ha - she is frosty as hell and going to yield well.

This SourD clone (same age as the one in the water farm) is in a coco/growstone mix and is coming along nicely. Following the same growth pattern as the one above so I am pleased with that. Nice big buds developing on the top of the main growth tips.

Here are the four plants under the 900w Mars II (Standard Spectrum, it is quite a bit more red in person than in the shitty photos) They are on day 17 of flower - 3 x Bubba Kush and a Sage N Sour. The SnS is growing at a very fast rate in the first couple weeks so far. The BK's are definitely budding faster though. I expect the SnS to take up to 13 weeks based on the grow reports I have seen.

Here is a Desert Diesel in 100% growstones. She drinks up a gallon every day or so. I left her untapped just to see what she would look like and she is setting up for some chunky blossoms I think. I have heard really good things about this give away seed.

Here's some more random shots I have of the flowering plants

Sour Diesel buds





This is the mother plant that the other two SourD's came from. She had a pretty tough life but is finishing with rock-hard, stinky buds. We have sampled some just to check her and it is fire. Really happy with the smell and high of this plant so far. And I know the buds from the water farm plant are much more towards the genetic potential so excited to finish her off.

Here is a good shot of the Desert Diesel. She is beautiful.




Desert Diesel next tot he Sour Diesel



Sour Diesel cola

And then I am super stoked on how the veg area is doing. Girls are all getting strong and bushy . BTW, hand watering most of these plants keeps you in shape...holy crap. The LED in this area is the Reflector-type LED (96 x 3w) - it has switches for veg/bloom/full spectrum. This is with only the veg spectrum on. It is way bluer than the picture looks. The LEDs just can't be captured in pics in my experience - maybe if you have a kick ass camera - but mine is just my phone. But you can see how much they love it. I am going to replace the T5 with 2 more of these simply because I see the same results (or better) and the power usage is less. I can run 3 for about what it takes to run the one 432w T5. And they put off practically zero heat really. Represented in there are some Bubba Kush clones that are getting huge, a couple of SnS clones, Dinafem Cheese, THSeeds Critical Hog, HSO Amherst Sour Diesel, G13 Purple Haze, G13 White Lavender, HSO Green Crack, HSO Dr Greenthum's Emdog.