Organic Vs. Synthetic Nutrients

since1991

since1991

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Ive grown this plant just about every way you can imagine. These days (and for awhile now) its organic compost and rich soil outdoors and coco coir & rockwool slabs with mineral salt fertilizer inside. I did the organic soil (and pricey bottled organic nutes) indoors for a long time. It was more work for basically the same end product. Cannabis is so fast inside. And mineral fertilizer nutes fit the speed. Outside..no question..organic all the way. For me its where both methods shine. The whole taste thing for indoor..I dont know about that. I did a & b tests several times with my patients. Results were inconclusive at best. Onlu my mom got the organic vs. mineral fert right in a blind taste test some of the time. The rest pf my people..nope. Either couldn't tell or the coco and rockwool grown plants with either Canna nutes or Veg + Bloom..they thought was all organic soil grown. This test was awhile ago. And when I did it..for the mineral nute side I used just the base fert only. No addys. The organic soil/compost side was a very rich worked soil thriving with micro life. I work it all year and use it for my outdoor soil beds. I only need to top dress a few goodies during heavy flower with it.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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since1991 said:
Ive grown this plant just about every way you can imagine. These days (and for awhile now) its organic compost and rich soil outdoors and coco coir & rockwool slabs with mineral salt fertilizer inside. I did the organic soil (and pricey bottled organic nutes) indoors for a long time. It was more work for basically the same end product. Cannabis is so fast inside. And mineral fertilizer nutes fit the speed. Outside..no question..organic all the way. For me its where both methods shine. The whole taste thing for indoor..I dont know about that. I did a & b tests several times with my patients. Results were inconclusive at best. Onlu my mom got the organic vs. mineral fert right in a blind taste test some of the time. The rest pf my people..nope. Either couldn't tell or the coco and rockwool grown plants with either Canna nutes or Veg + Bloom..they thought was all organic soil grown. This test was awhile ago. And when I did it..for the mineral nute side I used just the base fert only. No addys. The organic soil/compost side was a very rich worked soil thriving with micro life. I work it all year and use it for my outdoor soil beds. I only need to top dress a few goodies during heavy flower with it.
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My extensive blind testing with mediums, nutrients, flushing and lighting spectrums all had the same inconclusive results.
 
since1991

since1991

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MichiganMedGrower said:
My extensive blind testing with mediums, nutrients, flushing and lighting spectrums all had the same inconclusive results.
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If you know what yer doing. Pay attention to the little things. And feed the plants right..one would be hard pressed to tell the difference. Now outdoor vs. Indoor..whether you feed organic or mineral...it doesnt matter...but I can tell sun grown from artificial light grown all day long. Often just by looks..especailly if the outdoor wasnt trimmed really good. But the whole "organic vs synthetic" (god i hate that goofy term) plays such a small role. With feeding..it either works or it doesnt. No middle ground. No "kinda works". The genetics.. lighting and environment are SOOOO much more important and so many little details and variables involved with those 3 factors. Thats what brings out a crop.
 
Chunky Stool

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Lol. Thank you for posting that.
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Yes indeed!
I don't know how many people I've argued with here on RIU who said that synthetic nutes kill soil microbes.
Harley Smith has an excellent video that explains the relationship between mycorrhizal fungi and soluble phosphorous. Bottom line: If the plant doesn't need fungi to convert P to a soluble form, the plant simply stops feeding the fungi and tries to repel them.
 
since1991

since1991

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When some good grower posts a banger crop online..the first questions most growers ask is "what did you feed em and how much"??? I wanna ask what the strains are. What were night and day temps, relative humidity, and co2 levels. And what light were they grown with. Plant numbers and how was the canopy trained and managed throughout the grow is important to me as well. Ive found thats huge when shooting for a bumper yield.
 
Kingrow1

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since1991 said:
When some good grower posts a banger crop online..the first questions most growers ask is "what did you feed em and how much"??? I wanna ask what the strains are. What were night and day temps, relative humidity, and co2 levels. And what light were they grown with. Plant numbers and how was the canopy trained and managed throughout the grow is important to me as well. Ive found thats huge when shooting for a bumper yield.
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All i care about too, growers here have answered every other question theres no need for me any more.

Post your details in future threads and ill be there but im out of all these threads, answered what i can and others know far too much. Uv, cal/mag, synth/organics, hermies, mutants etc etc all have been answered

It has been an absolute pleasure and see you all when you post more than this :-)
 
Buba Blend

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Kingrow1 said:
All i care about too, growers here have answered every other question theres no need for me any more.

Post your details in future threads and ill be there but im out of all these threads, answered what i can and others know far too much. Uv, cal/mag, synth/organics, hermies, mutants etc etc all have been answered

It has been an absolute pleasure and see you all when you post more than this :-)
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Buba Blend

Buba Blend

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Kingrow1 said:
All i care about too, growers here have answered every other question theres no need for me any more.

Post your details in future threads and ill be there but im out of all these threads, answered what i can and others know far too much. Uv, cal/mag, synth/organics, hermies, mutants etc etc all have been answered

It has been an absolute pleasure and see you all when you post more than this :-)
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Don't leave. If that video isn't funny I'll look for something else to lighten the mood.
How about this. Probably better for RIU!
 
Kingrow1

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Buba Blend said:
Don't leave. If that video isn't funny I'll look for something else to lighten the mood.
How about this. Probably better for RIU!
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Im not leaving, you guys know what i know so no need to debate it. I just want to crack a few other things, better plants, environmet etc. Some have said thats whats important and i agree.

Basically your all too good so lets up the game :-)
 
Buba Blend

Buba Blend

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Kingrow1 said:
Im not leaving, you guys know what i know so no need to debate it. I just want to crack a few other things, better plants, environmet etc. Some have said thats whats important and i agree.

Basically your all too good so lets up the game :-)
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Cool!
I was afraid it was because there has been to much negative energy recently and I contributed to that when you stopped by my thread recently.
 
Buba Blend

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Stink Bug said:
My guess is the dude picking the banjo has forgotten and understands more about growing a happy garden than most will ever know.
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He must be. He did an interview not to long ago about the movie. It was pretty good. Might be on one of the clips after that one that I saw it. Seems to be a very happy guy. Has to be growing his own.
 
Stink Bug

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Buba Blend said:
He must be. He did an interview not to long ago about the movie. It was pretty good. Might be on one of the clips after that one that I saw it. Seems to be a very happy guy. Has to be growing his own.
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Of course he is. His own maters, herbs, grain and such. Just annuals(yes I know many herbs are perennials) same as pot. Cannabis forums turned growing weed into magical voodoo. Dummies like myself have been growing it for decades....and yes I do play the banjo.
 
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Buba Blend

Buba Blend

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Stink Bug said:
Of he is. His won maters, herbs, grain and such. Just annuals same as pot. Cannabis forums turned growing weed into magical voodoo. Dummies like myself have been growing it for decades....and yes I do play the banjo.
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Cool!
That is a great song! Movie is dark, but the song is great!
Edit: No words lol. Song or??? melody IDK lol, would need to google it but I'm to tired.
 
Heil Tweetler

Heil Tweetler

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Johnny Lawrence said:
http://www.gardenmyths.com/teaming-with-microbes-book-review/
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Blog author Pavlis is a misguided, bloated gas bag. He espouses loads of disproven beliefs and supports them with misunderstandings.

An example of conclusions born out of naivete, dismissiveness with an absence of science based reasoning, delivered with a dullard's arrogance :


"Conclusion:
If you want to make some compost tea, go ahead. You will probably not harm anything and you just might have some fun doing it. But understand that there is currently no evidence that compost tea is any better than using just compost. Be a smart gardener and just spread the compost on the soil as a mulch. Nature will do the rest."
 
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Budley Doright

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Sort of @Dr. Who. With organic bottled nutrients some of the elements are taken up directly and some bond with the soil and the bacteria needs to break it down into usable forms.


And just to add (of course you already know this)

Chemical based nutes don’t automatically kill the life in the soil. Even the common amount of chlorine/chloromine is a minor hinderance.

Further and this is just my opinion. The best way to grow delicious potent pot is to combine good potting soil and supplement with easily uptaken complete fertilizer with chelated micronutrients.

Only way other than properly executed hydro to be sure (mostly sure) the plants actually get the elements they need when they need them.

And if we take this to what method would provide the most controlled, clean, consistent medicine.

This may be an unpopular answer but hydro with complete professional chemical based fertilizer will have the least contamination and the highest potency.

But I like container gardening and doing what we like and are comfortable with is important to results too. And for me the growing is as important as the meds for my treatment.
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Well said :). You know, the sound of bubbling water can be very therapeutic as well .... ;).
 
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