Organic Vs. Synthetic Nutrients

skywalker707 said:
the set goal is quality, yield is obvious, i believe certains trains like chemdawg can handle more nutes and do better with synthetics, sativas in general don't like too much nutes
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Quality is down the beholder, it all depends on what you're looking for? Some might look only for potency while others might look for strains with lighter effects? Is quality only down to the THC percentage and Cannabinoid content? What about CBD content for some medicinal users and its ratio? That won't even get you high!

Some people prefer to only smoke land race sativa's that won't get you very high and for them that's the best quality there is for them. I wouldn't touch any of the purple commercial stuff that all look and smell the same or sub par grown organic buds that only smells earthy is underdeveloped and has very little power and effects.

Some people swear by organic for flavour, some do not and that's only down to personal preference. Some got the wrong idea that organic is a cleaner and safer method when it's the other way around.

Some people swear by synthetics for better stability, different flavour profile and performance.

Some people mix to get the benefits from both.

Both methods grows good bud if done properly. It's not often down to the method, it's how it's been implemented.
 
Wastei said:
Quality is down the beholder, it all depends on what you're looking for? Some might look only for potency while others might look for strains with lighter effects? Is quality only down to the THC percentage and Cannabinoid content? What about CBD content for some medicinal users and its ratio? That won't even get you high!

Some people prefer to only smoke land race sativa's that won't get you very high and for them that's the best quality there is for them. I wouldn't touch any of the purple commercial stuff that all look and smell the same or sub par grown organic buds that only smells earthy is underdeveloped and has very little power and effects.

Some people swear by organic for flavour, some do not and that's only down to personal preference. Some got the wrong idea that organic is a cleaner and safer method when it's the other way around.

Some people swear by synthetics for better stability, different flavour profile and performance.

Some people mix to get the benefits from both.

Both methods grows good bud if done properly. It's not often down to the method, it's how it's been implemented.
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"Is quality only down to the THC percentage and Cannabinoid content?" Not to cannabis judges and leaders in the industry which often judge the most prestigious cannabis awards. What they look for is Looks, Smell (terpenes), Taste, Effect in each category, be it indica, sativa, hybrid, outdoor, hydroponics, ect. ect.. and usually many respond that heavy feeding indicas turn out better with synthetics and many sativas do better organic.
 
Thc and cbd aren't important to me as the potency isn't important, I smoke weed for the flavour terps are most important, that's the point @Wastei was making, quality is in the eye of the beholder.

At a molecular level plants can't define synthetic from organic that's i science based proven fact.
 
Star Dog said:
Thc and cbd aren't important to me as the potency isn't important, I smoke weed for the flavour terps are most important, that's the point @Wastei was making, quality is in the eye of the beholder.

At a molecular level plants can't define synthetic from organic that's i science based proven fact.
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at molecular level all lsd should be the same because its the same formula right? go try 3 different lsd's and u will find they all have different effect since the very lsd they try to extract from ergot fungus which contains different number of alkaloids which all give you different effect in the end. With organics, even using bottled organic nutes makes the soil food web living organisms work reduntant and you change the whole composition of feeding. Instead of the microbes digesting and exuding the organic dry ammendments in soil the roots take up the already available nutes from the bottles and you mess up the entire ecosystem, the same with synthetics. So this surface level categorizations miss second and third order effects.
 
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Star Dog said:
Thc and cbd aren't important to me as the potency isn't important, I smoke weed for the flavour terps are most important, that's the point @Wastei was making, quality is in the eye of the beholder.

At a molecular level plants can't define synthetic from organic that's i science based proven fact.
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And if at molecular level plants can't define synthetic from organic, why synthetic cucumbers are two times bigger than organic cucumbers and have three times shitter taste? Why is the same with tomatoes or carrots? Why organics creates more terpenes and better taste and higher sugar level while synthetics more weight and water content in fruits and vegetables? Have you seen in your life synthetic vs organic Carrots? Are you even familiar with the pathway of intake of organic and mineral nutes and why the former create higher sugar and terpene content while the latter higher water content and more weight?
 
Star Dog said:
Thc and cbd aren't important to me as the potency isn't important, I smoke weed for the flavour terps are most important, that's the point @Wastei was making, quality is in the eye of the beholder.

At a molecular level plants can't define synthetic from organic that's i science based proven fact.
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can you explain the different size and colour of the organic vs the synthetic carrots? How about explain the different colour of the organic vs synthetic tomato here?
 
It's all about genetics. If you have to blame fertilizers for being the "make it or break it" factor in your weed being good or not, then I think it's a copout. The same arguments are often made for "indoor vs outdoor" weed. The outdoors guys say that the Sun is providing spectra that can't be duplicated by lights, for example. Their tests show that Sun-grown weed has more terpenes than weed grown under lights....that's what they say, anyway.

I can tell you for sure that all the organic fertilizer and sunlight in the world, won't make a plant of mediocre genetic lineage, into something good.
 
The biggest problem for me, in regards to organic ferts, is that they aren't broken down as quickly or as well as when they are able to be acted upon by other natural components -like earthworms and soil microbes and "critters" that expedite the process. Indoors, I like to keep things absolutely as efficient as I can and, therefore, prefer synthetic fertilizer for my style of growing.
 
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tstick said:
The biggest problem for me, in regards to organic ferts, is that they aren't broken down as quickly or as well as when they are able to be acted upon by other natural components -like earthworms and soil microbes and "critters" that expedite the process. Indoors, I like to keep things absolutely as efficient as I can and, therefore, prefer synthetic fertilizer for my style of growing.
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Most growing in Living Organic Soil, use the same mix and or re-conditioners they first mixed together depending on how long the soil has been active. Bacteria and fungi good for the roots is promoted by new compost or worm Casts and other essentials/ Once mixed most allow the soil to condition or activate the microbes and encourage them with the teas and carbs they use to break down matter. Usually it varies from person to person, but my LOS grows I activated the soil 4 weeks prior to planting my seeds or seedlings. Since I usually transplant from solos to fabric pots I do it all within the first 3 weeks of the seedling (even Autos),Before hitting the container hole preformed during the saturation soak, I just gently remove the plant and sprinkle lots of Bio Live and mycorriza on them, tuck them in a bit and lightly water around them about 4 inches away. So far so good. Has worked for me on indoor grows, now doing my first outdoor attempt with 4 plants.
 
tstick said:
It's all about genetics. If you have to blame fertilizers for being the "make it or break it" factor in your weed being good or not, then I think it's a copout. The same arguments are often made for "indoor vs outdoor" weed. The outdoors guys say that the Sun is providing spectra that can't be duplicated by lights, for example. Their tests show that Sun-grown weed has more terpenes than weed grown under lights....that's what they say, anyway.

I can tell you for sure that all the organic fertilizer and sunlight in the world, won't make a plant of mediocre genetic lineage, into something good.
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there is a such things as too much synthetics which are like steroids retaining too much water and too little sugar content and don't always have the quality. synthetics can make higher potency in terms of thc, but usually not better terpenes or quality of high. i've grown both synthetically and organically, its very hard to beat the effect of the weed in organic grow.
 
tstick said:
It's all about genetics. If you have to blame fertilizers for being the "make it or break it" factor in your weed being good or not, then I think it's a copout. The same arguments are often made for "indoor vs outdoor" weed. The outdoors guys say that the Sun is providing spectra that can't be duplicated by lights, for example. Their tests show that Sun-grown weed has more terpenes than weed grown under lights....that's what they say, anyway.

I can tell you for sure that all the organic fertilizer and sunlight in the world, won't make a plant of mediocre genetic lineage, into something good.
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+1000
 
Organics are nice because they can be cheap and u can reuse soils with amendments and such but it takes time is it a better yield or quality? i don't think so. For organics you need a lot of extra space extra dirt and time.
synthetics are readily available to the plant and you can fix things faster if you run into problems
Organics if u got time to learn shit and want to learn shit
synthetic if u just want to follow a chart and grow some weed.
 
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