Organic no till, probiotic, knf, jadam, vermicomposting, soil mixes, sips etc... Q & A

MustangStudFarm

MustangStudFarm

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Strudelheim said:
Now I have heard your high phosphorous thing like 10x, no offense, but even though your soil test says that, doesn't mean that its 100% causing the problem you are having.
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People like Jeff Lowenfels say that high N or P will keep your roots from producing exudes. Explain that one...
 
Strudelheim

Strudelheim

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MustangStudFarm said:
People like Jeff Lowenfels say that high N or P will keep your roots from producing exudes. Explain that one...
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Cause why would a plant waste sugars on exudates to feed microbes that make more phosphorous available when there already is plenty of phos available. same with mycos. lots of p inhibits the growth because they are not needed as much.
 
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Serverchris

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MustangStudFarm said:
OK, so this explains a little. I'm not set-up for SIP. I have 8gal square pots and I'm going to have to work with them until I see another Harvey or two. How would I use this stuff if I am not adding it to a reservoir?
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I made an sip by filling a bus tub with perlite and sticking a smartpot filled with los on top, it works great. I normally just put water in the perlite and when I want to add teas I just add a little at the top, I feel this helps keep moisture in the top of the smartpot. The only problem is idk how I'm gonna reuse the perlite cause the roots have taken over down there, it's basically a rootball with some perlite in it now.
 
SSGrower

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MustangStudFarm said:
I've made a fool of myself, I'll step out now... Never seem to get anywhere on this forum anyways...
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Personally, I think you got your shit in line more than 99% of the other "growers".
I think lowenfells acts like a jackass and elane ingrahm is myopic in her vision and education of others. What I have seen of both, they leave gaping holes in every recorded conversation, they use the broader sense of nature and ecology in their methods, but they themselves do not understand fully why it works, same goes for clackimass and others. They are working within their domain and are generating solutions that work no doubt, but there is much more going on here than a single annual cycle, benifits and deficets are compunded over time and creating sustainable gardening and farming practices is not a simple thing. We (humans) were trying to figure out the riddle, thats how we ended up going down the synthetic fretilizer route when IMO we need to go back to the beginning and look at each ecosystem both wholey and for its individual components.

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DankTankerous

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SSGrower said:
Personally, I think you got your shit in line more than 99% of the other "growers".
I think lowenfells acts like a jackass and elane ingrahm is myopic in her vision and education of others. What I have seen of both, they leave gaping holes in every recorded conversation, they use the broader sense of nature and ecology in their methods, but they themselves do not understand fully why it works, same goes for clackimass and others. They are working within their domain and are generating solutions that work no doubt, but there is much more going on here than a single annual cycle, benifits and deficets are compunded over time and creating sustainable gardening and farming practices is not a simple thing. We (humans) were trying to figure out the riddle, thats how we ended up going down the synthetic fretilizer route when IMO we need to go back to the beginning and look at each ecosystem both wholey and for its individual components.

Steps off soapbox...
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Couldn’t agree more. That’s why we’re here gotta help each other out to figure it out. I have heard Duke Diamond say “The minute you think you understand the plant and know it all, it’ll throw a curveball at you.” Pass over people’s arrogance, even if it’s aimed at you, it’s all about them, so don’t take it personally.

I think there is no such thing as a simple solution. Just takes time, patience, and tenacity.
 
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DankTankerous

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@hyroot i have a few more questions for ya:

Will the Kashi and Malted Barley take down the pH? And how long do you think it’ll take before I know it’s doing it’s job? I’m asking because i’d Like to pop some new beans here in 3 weeks if it doesn’t turn out

Also I’m seeing the soil is compacted because it’s taking forever for the plants to drink. I submerged her in water 4 days ago to get a full watering, a lot of the plant wasn’t getting watered it just ran off. Will the mycelium break up the compacted? I also can’t find any of my worms which I’m guessing is due to pH being off.

What will happen to all the extra ph buffers (gypsum, crab meal, oyster shell, greensand, etc) that made the soil too alkaline, since they haven’t been eaten by the plants because of high pH?

Will I have to keep the top moist for the mycelium? How would I do that without over watering?

Thanks for all your help Hyroot
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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i was just wondering, if this is no till, does that means there is "yes" till organics? in pots? in a grow room? how do you get the tiller in there? and the tractor? or do you use a mule, since it's organic?
tilling is mixing organic matter into your soil. you don't so that?
it also aerates the soil...so that's a bad thing?
 
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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i was just wondering, if this is no till, does that means there is "yes" till organics? in pots? in a grow room? how do you get the tiller in there? and the tractor? or do you use a mule, since it's organic?
tilling is mixing organic matter into your soil. you don't so that?
it also aerates the soil...so that's a bad thing?
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By till they mean pull out the root bal and bust up the soil, repot.

In no till you cut off the stem at the pot and stick a new plant in next to it..

Minimal disturbance- less disruption of fungal network and microlife.
 
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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i was just wondering, if this is no till, does that means there is "yes" till organics? in pots? in a grow room? how do you get the tiller in there? and the tractor? or do you use a mule, since it's organic?
tilling is mixing organic matter into your soil. you don't so that?
it also aerates the soil...so that's a bad thing?
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Mule isnt aloud in the house anymore. Fuckin things got no respect. Shit and piss wherever the fuck he wants.

And the kick. Man. I tell you they really dont like being slapped on the ass or rode around the grow room like a horse. Dont do it.
 
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projectinfo

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
good explanation, thnx
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After cutting, they use enzymes and the microlife to breakdown the roots and turn it into food, leaving behind a network of aeration.

Things like malted barley seed, corn sst, activated em1 or labs, compost, worms , bokashi all break stuff down for your plant to eat and lots of other benefits that come with these.

. No need to till anymore if you can get a good self composting ecosystem going :)
 
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hyroot said:
Another question I hear a lot is do you want more fungi dominated soil or bacteria dominated soil?

Well you want both, balanced. Root exudates attract bacteria and bacteria attracta fungi. The fungi feed on some bacteria and regulate nutrient uptake.

Another questionI hear a lot is about using mycorrhizae. What to buy or use. You can purchase freeze dried mycorrhizae like great white. The trichoderma in there will outcompete the other bacteria and fungi. If you use cover crops they will naturally facilitate mycorrhizae from the air. The root exudates from short root plants / grass will attract mycos
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@MustangStudFarm

This was the post in question about the balance.
 
MustangStudFarm

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SSGrower said:
I think lowenfells acts like a jackass and elane ingrahm is myopic in her vision and education of others. What I have seen of both, they leave gaping holes in every recorded conversation, they use the broader sense of nature and ecology in their methods, but they themselves do not understand fully why it works, same goes for clackimass and others.
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Oh man, I know. There is so much conflicting info out there! They will tell you that you don't want excessive N and/or P, but they encourage the use of compost which is excessive in a few things. I feel like I've read enough to be very confused!
 
hyroot

hyroot

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MustangStudFarm said:
Oh man, I know. There is so much conflicting info out there! They will tell you that you don't want excessive N and/or P, but they encourage the use of compost which is excessive in a few things. I feel like I've read enough to be very confused!
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It all depends on what you're growing. Even different cannabis strains need more or less of various elements. So its all subjective.
 
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