RickWhite
Well-Known Member
Hanimmal, you should speak to a few teachers in and around Detroit. I know several and they have all told me that sad as it may be it is is nearly impossible to educate their black students. The main reason they cite is lack of involvement from the parents. Not only is there no parental involvement but when ever there is a problem with the child and the parents must be brought in, instead of being responsible parents and dealing with the issue they go ghetto on the teacher and blame them (often with threats of violence). Contrast this with poor students that are say immigrants from the Ukraine. Their children work very hard and are well behaved and their parents come to the conferences with their hat in their hand apologizing for any trouble their straight A student may have caused.
But you see this is the major difference between the Left and the Right. The Left thinks that the way to solve problems is with pie in the sky ideals that simply don't work where the rubber meets the road. You keep saying the answer is education but the fact is you don't have a way to bring it to fruition. So what do you do? Well, most on the Left argue that giving more money to failing schools is the answer and as I've pointed out, that doesn't work.
But even if educating everyone was possible your notion would still fail. You see, the poor are a necessary part of society. We need people to fill the less desirable jobs and many people simply lack the intelligence to do more. Also, no matter how much you pay people there will always be a bottom 20% and those people will always be perceived as poor. But let's talk about what it means to be poor. My father grew up near Dexter and Davidson in Detroit. When he lived there it was a paradise. He grew up without a TV, air conditioning or even a refrigerator - they had an ice box. The family had one car which my grandfather took to work - my grandmother never drove in her life. New clothes were a rare luxury and when your socks got holes in them they were darned.
Today, most homes have AC and at least one TV (probably a flat screen). You see houses worth $8,000 with $50,000 Escalades in the driveway with another $10,000 worth of rims on the car and the kids go to school wearing $200 sneakers. These are the people we are calling "poor." These are the people we are providing with welfare (much of which is diverted into the pockets of the Chaldean store owners). These are the people Obama wants to give free health care and force me to pay for it. The same people who just broke into my building and stole over $1000 worth of tools and equipment.
You say being Liberal or Conservative is a mindset with nothing to do with economics. I can't even imagine where you get that notion. Economics is one of the main defining points. Ever hear the term "fiscal Conservative"? But I digress.
So here we have my father who grew up with a far lower standard of living than those living in Detroit today. When he lived there it was a wonderful thriving community. Today it's a shit hole even though the people that live there enjoy a higher standard of living.
Now the Conservative way of dealing with this is to strive for a society that promotes positive values and good roll models. Conservatives promote honesty, hard work, ethics and respect for social contract and for others, strong families with fathers (the single largest factor by far).
And what do Liberals promote. Handouts and the belief that society is a stacked deck. Racial divisiveness, class warfare, contempt for society, alternative lifestyles (single parent homes with no fathers) and a nanny state to overcome all this unfairness.
Why is it not obvious that the Conservative message is a recipe for a healthy and productive society and the Liberal message is a recipe for disaster? Just think what would happen if we took all the children from Detroit away from their parents at birth, raised them in a healthy environment with conservative principles and sent them back as a group. Even those that were not educated but raised with good values would roll up their sleeves and do their part to make their city a good place to live. In comparison, if you took everyone in Detroit and gave them each a million dollars they would just blow it all in 6 months and be right back where they started. See Dave Chapel's reparations skit.
Simply chanting "education" over and over again or pumping other people's money into corrupt and failing schools is not an answer - hell, it doesn't even identify the problem. The problem and the solution are both rooted in social proof. That is what causes the problem and that is the way to fix it. We need to be united and resolute when we say "NO!" to corrupt organizations like ACORN. We must say "NO!" to obnoxious conduct like that of Kanye West or Michael Vick. We need to say "NO!" to fatherless homes and to pants worn below one's ass. We need to say "NO!" to a media that force feeds our youth prison culture and moral depravity. We must use stimulus money to tear down abandon homes and buildings and restore order to chaotic neighborhoods which only breed more chaos and lawlessness.
Education is great, but you need to educate the soul before you can educate the brain.
But you see this is the major difference between the Left and the Right. The Left thinks that the way to solve problems is with pie in the sky ideals that simply don't work where the rubber meets the road. You keep saying the answer is education but the fact is you don't have a way to bring it to fruition. So what do you do? Well, most on the Left argue that giving more money to failing schools is the answer and as I've pointed out, that doesn't work.
But even if educating everyone was possible your notion would still fail. You see, the poor are a necessary part of society. We need people to fill the less desirable jobs and many people simply lack the intelligence to do more. Also, no matter how much you pay people there will always be a bottom 20% and those people will always be perceived as poor. But let's talk about what it means to be poor. My father grew up near Dexter and Davidson in Detroit. When he lived there it was a paradise. He grew up without a TV, air conditioning or even a refrigerator - they had an ice box. The family had one car which my grandfather took to work - my grandmother never drove in her life. New clothes were a rare luxury and when your socks got holes in them they were darned.
Today, most homes have AC and at least one TV (probably a flat screen). You see houses worth $8,000 with $50,000 Escalades in the driveway with another $10,000 worth of rims on the car and the kids go to school wearing $200 sneakers. These are the people we are calling "poor." These are the people we are providing with welfare (much of which is diverted into the pockets of the Chaldean store owners). These are the people Obama wants to give free health care and force me to pay for it. The same people who just broke into my building and stole over $1000 worth of tools and equipment.
You say being Liberal or Conservative is a mindset with nothing to do with economics. I can't even imagine where you get that notion. Economics is one of the main defining points. Ever hear the term "fiscal Conservative"? But I digress.
So here we have my father who grew up with a far lower standard of living than those living in Detroit today. When he lived there it was a wonderful thriving community. Today it's a shit hole even though the people that live there enjoy a higher standard of living.
Now the Conservative way of dealing with this is to strive for a society that promotes positive values and good roll models. Conservatives promote honesty, hard work, ethics and respect for social contract and for others, strong families with fathers (the single largest factor by far).
And what do Liberals promote. Handouts and the belief that society is a stacked deck. Racial divisiveness, class warfare, contempt for society, alternative lifestyles (single parent homes with no fathers) and a nanny state to overcome all this unfairness.
Why is it not obvious that the Conservative message is a recipe for a healthy and productive society and the Liberal message is a recipe for disaster? Just think what would happen if we took all the children from Detroit away from their parents at birth, raised them in a healthy environment with conservative principles and sent them back as a group. Even those that were not educated but raised with good values would roll up their sleeves and do their part to make their city a good place to live. In comparison, if you took everyone in Detroit and gave them each a million dollars they would just blow it all in 6 months and be right back where they started. See Dave Chapel's reparations skit.
Simply chanting "education" over and over again or pumping other people's money into corrupt and failing schools is not an answer - hell, it doesn't even identify the problem. The problem and the solution are both rooted in social proof. That is what causes the problem and that is the way to fix it. We need to be united and resolute when we say "NO!" to corrupt organizations like ACORN. We must say "NO!" to obnoxious conduct like that of Kanye West or Michael Vick. We need to say "NO!" to fatherless homes and to pants worn below one's ass. We need to say "NO!" to a media that force feeds our youth prison culture and moral depravity. We must use stimulus money to tear down abandon homes and buildings and restore order to chaotic neighborhoods which only breed more chaos and lawlessness.
Education is great, but you need to educate the soul before you can educate the brain.
