Obama FOOLED you all! pawned!

After all, a corporation is nothing more than a collection of individuals coming together and pooling their capital for the purpose of providing a good or service.

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At the expense of the little guy. You just described a drug cartel.
In a free market economy corporations will simply be less accountable for their actions, because they're not accountable to the government and therefor not to the electorate.
For example, can you imagine any sort of action against climate change taking place if corporate interests we're not scrutinized?
Right now that takes place through government agencies. It should be the general populace but if you want to talk in terms of reform, I'd go for nationalization.

Fuck obama and his manly looking ass W.N.B.A looking ass wife!

Speaking as the ''Little Guy' I just want to be able to come home after a hard days work, roll up a joint, tend to my plants, and go to sleep with my wife knowing Im perfectly fine.
Is that so much?

LaundreyClosetGuy said:

Speaking as the ''Little Guy' I just want to be able to come home after a hard days work, roll up a joint, tend to my plants, and go to sleep with my wife knowing Im perfectly fine.
Is that so much?

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With that package you also get medical care that turns the hospital into the DMV or the tax collectors office where you pick a number and wait 12 hours for care.

Ok, I'm not stupid, a simple mind perhaps, but not stupid. Please inform me what kind of point your making there because that whole post just went righ over my head... I am a little far off stoned.

LaundreyClosetGuy said:

Ok, I'm not stupid, a simple mind perhaps, but not stupid. Please inform me what kind of point your making there because that whole post just went righ over my head... I am a little far off stoned.

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His medical plan will make it free for everyone to go to the hospital. That will make it way overcrowded and the doctors will be over worked and under paid thus causing sub par medical attention. If you have a good medical plan because of your hard work at your job it will be worthless with the overload of bums at the hospital! I am not trying to be negative its just my view.

So let me get this right. You are talking about heath reform? When did the post switch from refeer reform to this? Either way, I think you should start a new topic on it, i'll meet you half-way there.

LaundreyClosetGuy said:

So let me get this right. You are talking about heath reform? When did the post switch from refeer reform to this? Either way, I think you should start a new topic on it, i'll meet you half-way there.

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I feel ya on that. Obama just reminded me of that. I did not even read the whole thread. Peace bro!

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At the expense of the little guy. You just described a drug cartel.

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Are you seriously comparing a legal corporation which pays taxes and is subject to regulation to a criminal cartel which does neither?

Corporations benefit the little guy, too. Corporations provide necessary goods and service, and legitimate employment.

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In a free market economy corporations will simply be less accountable for their actions, because they're not accountable to the government and therefor not to the electorate.

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What makes you think a free market equates the Wild West? Corporations would still be bound by the law in a free market, thus accountable to the government.

buttery420 said:

For example, can you imagine any sort of action against climate change taking place if corporate interests we're not scrutinized?

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Bad example. The Man Made Climate Change movement has imploded and shown to be a hoax. The IPCC has been wholly discredited. And the carbon trading scheme is the essence of Corporatism.

Each state currently has an environmental agency to regulate pollution; industrial or otherwise. And this is as it should be.

buttery420 said:

Right now that takes place through government agencies. It should be the general populace but if you want to talk in terms of reform, I'd go for nationalization.

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Nationalization? Are you fucking serious?

origonally Johnny Organic-QUOTE-It alarms me to no end to see such a rash of anti-corporate mentality lately. After all, a corporation is nothing more than a collection of individuals coming together and pooling their capital for the purpose of providing a good or service. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and state that your fear is not actually of corporations per se, but Corporatism; which is an alliance between government and corporations for the purpose of manipulating the economy for mutual benefit. Corporatism is not free market capitalism, it is the economic component of Fascism......---------------------Would this refer to the General Motors and Chrystler deals and the bank bailouts ond stimulis package and subsisidesed corn farms? im afraid of a smothering of inginuity and entropanur ship im afraid of a walmart or G.M making it impossible for someone with a better or new product from ever being to get started.

beardo said:

origonally Johnny Organic-QUOTE-It alarms me to no end to see such a rash of anti-corporate mentality lately. After all, a corporation is nothing more than a collection of individuals coming together and pooling their capital for the purpose of providing a good or service. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and state that your fear is not actually of corporations per se, but Corporatism; which is an alliance between government and corporations for the purpose of manipulating the economy for mutual benefit. Corporatism is not free market capitalism, it is the economic component of Fascism......---------------------Would this refer to the General Motors and Chrystler deals and the bank bailouts ond stimulis package and subsisidesed corn farms? im afraid of a smothering of inginuity and entropanur ship im afraid of a walmart or G.M making it impossible for someone with a better or new product from ever being to get started.

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The Automobile Manufacturing takeovers by the government and the unions are definitely Corporatism. Same for the bailout of Wall Street. In fact, the whole TARP abortion reeks of Corporatism. The Porkulus package qualifies as well. Farm subsidies may or may not be corporatism depending on the farm size of the recipients, but it's definitely Fascism. Subsidies and price controls are key components to that insidious system.

In the past, GM has definitely used its size, power, and political influence to stifle, even eliminate competition; but it's Government Motors now. GM and Chrysler can both operate at a loss indefinitely now that each is one with the machine.

I don't know what to say about Wal-Mart. That company definitely games the current economic system to its advantage, but I know it fights the system, too.

I love G.M. but if its an american company and now government sponsered i would love to see the cars and all components made in the U.S. by americans even cars ment to be sold overseas and i would like to see americans made to buy and drive these G.M. cars either with a ban on forigen cars or more likely with a huge import tarrif to make even the cheapest toyota out of everyones price range....it worked for Harley when they were going broke. i dont know if this would work and i think it might be comminusim or socialisim...but its an idea lets produce things domesticly instead of importing everything

banning cars made outside of the US would not be a good idea, mind you the fact we tax the auto makers for the importation of parts/whole cars. And america has, ALOT of cars not made in the US.

If you are curious as to the origin or makeup of your auto, The New York Times made a neat calculator that shows where your car and or components come from.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/06/19/automobiles/20090619-auto-plants-4.html

I think you will ALL be very surprised there are only a FEW cars that are 100% U.S. Sad but true. America.. land of the sell-out.

No Homo, I think Obama deserves to be fucked in the ass by a 7ft tall 500lb Mexican. Obama is a lier, because if I can recall correctly his time as senator I am possitive he said he wanted decriminalization for the medical marijuana patients. He also said that this should be done Nation Wide, but he didnt agree with full legalization of Medical Marijuana. In my opinion I think Obama will decriminalize in his second term, I think he is afraid to decriminilize before he gets to his second term because there is alot of Anti-Cannabis voters out there and he wants all the votes he can get. In his second term it wont matter anymore if he decriminalized because he can't be president a third term. I really liked the Idea about the Nation Wide March for the Congress to fully Decriminalize Cannabis, for Medical and recreational purposes. I think a Nation Wide March would really do the trick, the president would have no choice but to try and decriminalize, because if he ignores the march he will be looked down on by the marchers and the people that saw the dedication the marchers have to stand up for something they want as a Nation. (U.S.A) I would really love it if MJ was decriminalized in South Carolina and could prescribed, I go through pain everyday from my Shermans Kyphosis( Spinal Fusion Surgery) I had a few years ago and I am allergic to all codine pills, and all other pain reliever meds, even Tylenol will make me sick, so what in the Hell does the government expect me to do for pain. The bad thing about South Carolina is that we almost had medical marijuana at one point, look up SC on NORML. South Carolina Senator Measher put out a Medical Marijuana bill in 2007, but he died from a heart attack before the hearing and none of the other Polititions wanted to carry out the bill, so it was lost never to be brought back again.

People need to do what the people of the great state of California do, which is keep fighting even after you have won. They started 10 years ago and since then have evolved things like having the plant limit taken away and legalization on the ballot in Nov. The point is if they give us an inch, we take a mile and start trying for that next inch. Fight the fight, live the life you love and love the life you live.

I don't know when or even if the masses will ever realize that the 2 party political system in the U.S. is a scam set up and perpetuated to fleece the American people. Obama lied ! really ??? WAKE UP !!!

There is no political savior! There is no political party that is going to turn things around. This shit game goes on every 4 years , sometimes 8 years, and BOTH SIDES screw the U.S. people over. They've been doing this for DECADE after DECADE.

Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

Democrats aren't going to do anything or they would've done it by now, Republicans..the same applies to them. Wake up and get out of the LEFT/RIGHT Paradigm. All it is- is FALSE HOPE.

The Federal Govt. has gone so far into corporatism that everyday life in the U.S. is doomed, every term that passes...things get a little bit worse. Most people aren't politically active at the state level, and this is a mistake. We need to push for the 10th amendment, and break away from the Union, its going to take something bazaar and radical to bring about REAL CHANGE.

Break away from the Union, the Constitution says every state has that power to separate them self from a rogue and out of control Federal Govt. The Founding Fathers were genius,though not perfect, and they could foresee potential problems.

I've always been a supporter of the 10th amendment movement. The Federal Govt. will only get worse in their tyranny and oppressive nature. The Feds are growing and growing a super police state that Hitler and Stalin would envy.

"De Oppresso Liber"!!


where are my brothers? Come home and do the job here.

"If there's one thing on which supporters and critics of medical marijuana agree, it's the need for FDA studies," Gieringer said.

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studies, studies and more studies... come on cut to the fucking chase, we all know cannabis (not "marijuana") is an incredible medicine. if they are going to study the plant then research what strains are good for certain medical conditions.