Oakland legalizing large scale grow ops

Nobody here is gonna like this...

Only 4 licenses. Big operators pushing out the little guy.
 
I'm glad that Oakland is pot friendly, but I don't like it. I wonder who is behind it...smells like Richard Lee. :shock::hump:
 
mrbunny said:
I'm glad that Oakland is pot friendly, but I don't like it. I wonder who is behind it...smells like Richard Lee. :shock::hump:
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It's not just Richard Lee. It's a coalition of big clubs from Oakland/Berkley. One of those clubs is my primary source of income at the moment, so I'm not super thrilled about that, but at the same time I find progress is exciting.
 
Dan Kone said:
It's not just Richard Lee. It's a coalition of big clubs from Oakland/Berkley. One of those clubs is my primary source of income at the moment, so I'm not super thrilled about that, but at the same time I find progress is exciting.
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It was gonna happen sooner or later. like RJ reynolds or other big company this industry is going to move away from the street.
 
NLXSK1 said:
It was gonna happen sooner or later. like RJ reynolds or other big company this industry is going to move away from the street.
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Yep. Good or bad, it's the future. Anyone who's not thinking and preparing for that future right now will get shut out of it.
 
They might be going large scale but I will be interested to see what kind of quality they turn out over the long run, such as the next 3 or 4 years. Hopefully it will remain consistent or improve over time but usually when this happens peeps start cutting corners and then quality suffers.

I still think there will be plenty of room for small growers seeing as how there are sooooo many strains out there and most peeps have preferences for certain strains or hybrids. I do see this form of growing being popular though if Prop 19 passes this year since the demand will increase somewhat.

As always peace out!:weed:
 
Seaghost said:
They might be going large scale but I will be interested to see what kind of quality they turn out over the long run, such as the next 3 or 4 years. Hopefully it will remain consistent or improve over time but usually when this happens peeps start cutting corners and then quality suffers.

I still think there will be plenty of room for small growers seeing as how there are sooooo many strains out there and most peeps have preferences for certain strains or hybrids. I do see this form of growing being popular though if Prop 19 passes this year since the demand will increase somewhat.

As always peace out!:weed:
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I agree, but it's still going to drastically change the supply/demand curve. It'll most likely drop wholesale prices across the board...Good for the end consumer, bad for us, the small scale growers.
 
It's still going to come down to quality and I don't care what you hydro guys say, organic weed grown in dirt is always better. There will be a market for mass produced crap and there will be a market for the top shelf wares just like alcohol. It will change the supply and demand curve but only for mediocre weed. Headies will always fetch top dollar. I do agree that corperatizing weed is shameful and I think the herb should be held in the same respects as grapes for wine.

PS, this is also a city ordinance in accordance to SB420, watch how fast the feds bust these large scale grows if they get set up.
 
stonedmetalhead1 said:
It's still going to come down to quality and I don't care what you hydro guys say, organic weed grown in dirt is always better. There will be a market for mass produced crap and there will be a market for the top shelf wares just like alcohol. It will change the supply and demand curve but only for mediocre weed. Headies will always fetch top dollar. I do agree that corperatizing weed is shameful and I think the herb should be held in the same respects as grapes for wine.

PS, this is also a city ordinance in accordance to SB420, watch how fast the feds bust these large scale grows if they get set up.
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I beg to differ. We DO need a real corporation to get behind this. Corporations don't like taxes. Taxes cut into profits, therefore corporations fight is for the consumer. The tobacco industry is the only industry in this country with enough pull and resources to accomplish full scale rescheduling. Or would you rather have Merck or Bayer controlling this?
 
whiteflour said:
I beg to differ. We DO need a real corporation to get behind this. Corporations don't like taxes. Taxes cut into profits, therefore corporations fight is for the consumer. The tobacco industry is the only industry in this country with enough pull and resources to accomplish full scale rescheduling. Or would you rather have Merck or Bayer controlling this?
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we do not need corporations for rescheduling, just need people in the government with common sense.
 
Without corporations the government can't make money on this. Unless the government can make money they're not that interested. It'd be nice if we the people could do this on our own, but that will never happen. We've let the government get too big and the electoral system gives all the votes to the biggest populations. Those most likely to be brainwashed by the government, so they're vote doesn't count. ;)
 
state legislation is moving along nicely. at some point the scale will tip and there will be over half the country with medical use, and decriminalization is moving along as well. at some point the federal government is going to be forced to address the issue and reschedule.


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the only reason these market model's are currently working is because of the criminalization of it. if it were to be free to grow and everyone could plant a few tree's in their back yard netting close to a pound a piece the house of cards would crumble.


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i hear you talkin about electoral college's but if you happen to look at the map, look at the states that are most progressive, and look at the votes they get:

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texas is large, and lagging behind in policy, but i assure you, more and more will vote it in every year.
 
But the point your missing is that the feds are not making any money off state MMJ. At least not the kind of money they could be making by having a real supply chain. They know this, they're not stupid, problem is the right states haven't got behind it. Just as soon as an agricultural state gets on board with the appropriate production capability you can expect to see some federal legislation.

I know everyone likes to think of California as some great agricultural sunshine state, but it's not. We don't have any water. We can't even produce enough food to feed the state now so theres no way we can supply economic cannabis, unless it was at the cost of food supply. We still have to import the majority of our food here.

When states in the south have a bad agricultural year the whole country suffers. Think Florida tomatoes a few months ago. When the state of California has a bad agricultural year, the people in the state pay more.
 
stonedmetalhead1 said:
It's still going to come down to quality and I don't care what you hydro guys say, organic weed grown in dirt is always better.
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That's just not true. Hydro is DIFFERENT than indoor organic, not better, not worse. There is no one right way to grow. Saying it's better is just like saying pepsi is better than coke. It might be better to you, but that's just your personal preference. Many people like hydro better too. I'm a big fan of variety, so I like a little of both.
 
stonedmetalhead1 said:
I do agree that corperatizing weed is shameful and I think the herb should be held in the same respects as grapes for wine.
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You do realize that there is nothing stopping you from forming a corporation and growing corporate bud that is made to your own specifications and tastes right?

stonedmetalhead1 said:
PS, this is also a city ordinance in accordance to SB420, watch how fast the feds bust these large scale grows if they get set up.
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I hadn't thought of that. That will be interesting. The DEA generally does not approve of such things. But then again, the cannabis clubs in Santa Cruz have been permitted to do warehouse grows for 6 months and the DEA hasn't touched them. But they are also size limited.
 
stonedmetalhead1 said:
PS, this is also a city ordinance in accordance to SB420, watch how fast the feds bust these large scale grows if they get set up.
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That is a very good point that I myself had not really thought about. If it goes this could set up a showdown between the state and feds over this issue, which might be what they are trying to accomplish, possibly pushing this to SC0tUS.

Someone else also was pointing out how as more states approve MMJ then this itself will force a change at the federal level. My prediction is that until we have at least 20 to 25 states approving MMJ with similar laws to Ca and Or there will be no federal level change.

But the good news is that with NJ being the latest to approve MMJ our numbers are growing on a daily basis. I feel we could see a change within the next 5 years, but that's just my prediction, your mileage may vary.

As always, peace out :weed:
 
whiteflour said:
I beg to differ. We DO need a real corporation to get behind this. Corporations don't like taxes. Taxes cut into profits, therefore corporations fight is for the consumer. The tobacco industry is the only industry in this country with enough pull and resources to accomplish full scale rescheduling. Or would you rather have Merck or Bayer controlling this?
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They also want control of the plant and their goal isn't quality it's profit and I would rather have the people of America be able to grow marijuana as freely as they want. Why do we feel that corporations are the way to go, why completely sell out before we even try to make things right? When these marijuana corporations get big enough they are going to do what every other corporation does and take there buisness oversea's when Americans need jobs more than ever. I really don't care if someone starts a corporation, my problem is they are the ones writing the bills which regulate every day citizens while deregulating themselves. I know I'm idealistic but this is a plant and no one should have control over it except mother earth.
 
Dan Kone said:
That's just not true. Hydro is DIFFERENT than indoor organic, not better, not worse. There is no one right way to grow. Saying it's better is just like saying pepsi is better than coke. It might be better to you, but that's just your personal preference. Many people like hydro better too. I'm a big fan of variety, so I like a little of both.
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The taste of the finished product from hydro will never compare to the taste of properly grow organic weed, I'm not saying hydro wont taste good just not the same. I compare marijuana to a fine wine and hydro will never compare to the all around quality of organics. It's not like compareing Coke and Pepsi, it's like comparing a Swisher to a Cuban.

Dan Kone said:
You do realize that there is nothing stopping you from forming a corporation and growing corporate bud that is made to your own specifications and tastes right?
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Once you form a corporation you end up with a board of directors that over time will change their vision for the company. No matter what intentions you start the company with, eventually the focal point will come down to the bottom line and your initial concepts will be pushed out for the "greater good" of the company by the board with or without you. It basically comes down to ethics which most Americans don't have. These corporations don't fully understand or care about the consequences of their actions.
 
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