Nutes on a Budget

riddleme

riddleme

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Well I posted this pic in my grow journal but thought I would add it here as well

I like keepin em green and healthy (most don't) but you can see just how well she takes to her Jacks in this pic

for reference, the pot is 10 inches and the drain is 3 inches

She is 21 inches tall :bigjoint:

and her name is Matilda
 
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Imaulle

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here are my plants after being feed twice with Jacks 30-10-10

I'm going to veg for another 2-3 weeks then switch to 12/12 :lol:

the necrosis that was being caused by my previous fert has stopped and everything is looking great now :D

 
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YouGrowBoy

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Imaulle said:
here are my plants after being feed twice with Jacks 30-10-10

I'm going to veg for another 2-3 weeks then switch to 12/12 :lol:

the necrosis that was being caused by my previous fert has stopped and everything is looking great now :D
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How long have you been vegging for so far?
 
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xxsaticxx

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Hey I jus went to my local garden center n picked up 2 ofn the 8 oz containers of jacks classic 10-30-20 n the all purpose food 20-20-20 . I'm jus not sure exactly how strong of a mixture I should b using on my afghan plnat that is flowering.
I also have 10 blue mystic seedlings and 10 aurura indica seedlings. I dnt think I'm gunna b givin them nutes till the 4th week of flowering.
 
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xxsaticxx

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Hey I jus went to my local garden center n picked up 2 ofn the 8 oz containers of jacks classic 10-30-20 n the all purpose food 20-20-20 . I'm jus not sure exactly how strong of a mixture I should b using on my afghan plnat that is flowering.
I also have 10 blue mystic seedlings and 10 aurura indica seedlings. I dnt think I'm gunna b givin them nutes till the 4th week of flowering.
 
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Wetdog

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I've used Jack's (Peters), for over 30 years. Used Dyna-Gro more recently and had outstanding grows with each.

I'm trying to do organic now. Way more difficult than I thought it would be and I've been growing 'stuff' for a long time.

I still keep part of my plants on a Jack's or Dyna-Gro regimen (one or the other, not both), because I know what I'm doing with those and won't lose all my plants because of a screw up.

For the inexperienced or broke grower, either one of those is perfect. Even for the experienced grower, same deal. They are complete (Dyna-Gro), or nearly so (Jack's), 1 part nutes that are easy to use and inexpensive.

These 'elite' nutes that require 2,3 or more, different (and very expensive), bottles to make a 'complete' mix are a sham and bordering close to a scam. Actually, I think they are a scam, but with very good marketing.kiss-ass:roll:

Jack's or Dyna-Gro (MG also, but I just don't care for the grade of salts they use), will give you a complete grow for little $$$$ and a good grow, no matter what the brain washed buyers of the overpriced brands say.:roll:

Wet
 
goofygolfer

goofygolfer

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riddleme said:
Well I posted this pic in my grow journal but thought I would add it here as well

I like keepin em green and healthy (most don't) but you can see just how well she takes to her Jacks in this pic

for reference, the pot is 10 inches and the drain is 3 inches

She is 21 inches tall :bigjoint:

and her name is Matilda
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rid dont be modest let know what she gave you.
 
Katatawnic

Katatawnic

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xxsaticxx said:
Hey I jus went to my local garden center n picked up 2 ofn the 8 oz containers of jacks classic 10-30-20 n the all purpose food 20-20-20 . I'm jus not sure exactly how strong of a mixture I should b using on my afghan plnat that is flowering.
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The label says 1/4 tsp. per gallon if feeding with every watering, and 1/2 tsp. per gallon if feeding every other watering. (Indoor growing instructions.)

However, Uncle Ben (from whom many of us first heard of Jack's Classic [formally Peter's]) says that's not enough. Here's a quote directly from UB:

Uncle Ben said:
Amount and frequency of food application all depends on alot of factors - light, temps, water, vigor, etc. but you can go up to 1 tsp/gallon with good results unless your soil is loaded with some slow release plant foods like the meals. If you want to fertilize with each watering, I'd use AT LEAST 1/2 tsp./gallon. You're not gonna get alot out of 1/4 tsp/gallon, it's your anxiety and nerves talkin' here, not necessarily a sound practice. :D

Continue with the 30-10-10 or a 20-20-20 until flowering, then a few weeks into the stretch, start backing off the N a bit. Just read the plant's color and growth habit/vigor, my advice is not written in stone, it's still your call. Too much N relative to other factors like light received and the leaves will become a dark green, which really is pushing the N a bit. Well, maybe, maybe not. :) Go back to the photo I just posted. Notice how dark green those leaves are? I used a bit too much blood meal (N) when I put my potting mix together, BUT, it had no adverse affect, as you can see, it's flowering like a mofo. The finished colas were quite large and dense as a rock. [...]
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xxsaticxx said:
I dnt think I'm gunna b givin them nutes till the 4th week of flowering.
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I'm assuming that you've been fertilizing your plants while in veg, and that your above comment is in reference to switching to bloom formula nutrients.

However, simply because I've been planning on "reporting" this anyway :lol: ... I start feeding my seedlings when they're just starting to show their second set of "true" leaves, at 1/4 strength (1/4 tsp. per gallon). By the time they've grown their fourth leaf set, I feed them full strength (1 tsp. per gallon), and continue with this dose till the 12/12 stretch is done and/or the flowers are beginning to look like tiny buds. Then I switch to either alternating the 10-30-20 with the 20-20-20, or else combining them in one feeding (actually, I've personally found the latter to be preferable); of course when combining the two, you need to measure 1/2 dose of each. ;)

I feed my plants the full recommended dosage by UB (1 tsp. per gallon) from established seedlings till harvest, and I feed with every watering. NOTE: I only do this with Jack's Classic! Any other nutrient I've tried would burn the hell out of my babies if I were to feed full strength every watering, much less twice the strength recommended on the product's label!!! But Jack's Classic just doesn't do this... at least, it hasn't for me. :mrgreen: Now, I've had three plants reveal the tiniest of brown & dry tips since switching to Jack's, but that's the absolute extent of even a hint of nute burn... and the "old school" growers such as UB and others with years (decades) of experience have all said that's quite normal, and nothing to worry over unless it were to spread further along the leaves... which hasn't happened with a single plant I've fed with Jack's 20-20-20 and 10-30-20. :clap:

To date, with these doses, my plants have had absolutely no nute burn (aside from my statement directly above, lol)... rather, they flourish with dark yet vibrant green foliage, strong branches and stems, and much fatter & denser buds than I've had previously. Also, there's been absolutely no "bad taste" from my buds (to the contrary, they're delicious; and I'm not the only one who's made this claim, lol)... OH, and I do not flush; I feed till through to Harvest Day. :mrgreen:

Until I started using Jack's Classic, I absolutely never fed my plants full (much less double!) strength according to the fertilizer's labels... the max I ever fed was half strength. Most nutrients on the market are just too strong for our precious babies! But with JC, it's as though you've gotta all but try to overfeed them!


When all is said and done, I do exactly as UB stated in the above quote: Just read the plant's color and growth habit/vigor, my advice is not written in stone, it's still your call.
 
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Waiakeauka

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Can you do the same by using Miracle Grow? Using the 20-20-20 and the bloom booster? I can't get the Jacks Classic where I live.
 
riddleme

riddleme

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Waiakeauka said:
Can you do the same by using Miracle Grow? Using the 20-20-20 and the bloom booster? I can't get the Jacks Classic where I live.
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There are lots of folks using MG and there are some that say it adds bad taste to the buds, I've never used it so I can't say either way
 
napps

napps

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riddleme said:
started using them on my current experimental grow (not ready to share yet as it is ongoing and I am doing something I have never seen done before)
having said that I do have a few countertop photos that show how green and healthy it is (I say it because has not shown sex yet) at 5 weeks

plus I used Mammoths topping technique for 8 (or more) colas
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Whats Mammoths topping ?
 
riddleme

riddleme

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napps said:
Whats Mammoths topping ?
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Mammoth was a member here that had several great grows in his grow journal, he is no longer with us. But his topping technique was to top above the 5th internode which gives 8 to 10 colas. He did it to pretty much every plant he grew

hope that helps
 
skookum

skookum

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Molasses! One Table spoon per gallon about one a week and some FF OS does the trick. Real damn sticky WR and hell the early leaf will knock you on your ass as you trim. Careful do not over trim. Also lets you know where the buds are by how stoned you get off the leaves.
 
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