Nuclear Fusion has occurred on Earth!

But then to produce electricity, you still need a steam turbine etc, very much the same as nuclear fission. Just so archaic. By the time they get this thing working in a practical way other more practical systems will be readily available. Just to mention, this nuclear fission sh*t kills all the fish and every thing else. It should be against the law. I say let's use it...in space.

Beefbisquit said:

The BBC understands that during an experiment in late September, the amount of energy released through the fusion reaction exceeded the amount of energy being absorbed by the fuel - the first time this had been achieved at any fusion facility in the world.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24429621

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FALSE: That has never been done. The lies for Agenda against Big Oil.

[h=3]Alpha Heating in NIF Shot Produces Record Fusion Energy Yield[/h] A significant high-foot/high-adiabat (high internal capsule energy) layered deuterium-tritium (DT) capsule implosion was completed in the early morning of Aug. 13. The shot resulted in the highest DT neutron yield obtained to date, estimated at nearly 3 × 10[SUP]15[/SUP] (three quadrillion), or almost 8,000 joules of fusion energy – nearly three times the yield of any previous DT ice layer shot.

8,000 joules vs 1.7 megajoules (MJ)

"All 192 NIF beams delivered 1.7 megajoules (MJ) to the hohlraum in a 350-terawatt (TW) peak power pulse. Initial estimates indicate an approximately 50-percent yield enhancement was achieved due to alpha heating. This is the process in which absorption of the alpha particles (helium nuclei) created by the fusion reactions in the implosion hot spot further heats the assembled fuel, enhancing the yield."

https://lasers.llnl.gov/newsroom/project_status/index.php

Why would anyone quote the lying press these days, for ANYTHING???>

Commander Strax said:

Nuclear energy is a BAD idea

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Well, fission certainly is. But, you just want steam, cheaply without end. Fusion can do that. But, you see what they are up against. They are only .005 return.

1.7 Megajoules in, and a meager 8000 Joules out. But, you can get break even from a Torus Reactor for 5 years until the shields fail.

A long way to go. And perhaps DT pellets can work...some day.
But, maybe not.

Doer said:

Well, fission certainly is. But, you just want steam, cheaply without end. Fusion can do that. But, you see what they are up against. They are only .005 return.

1.7 Megajoules in, and a meager 8000 Joules out. But, you can get break even from a Torus Reactor for 5 years until the shields fail.

A long way to go. And perhaps DT pellets can work...some day.
But, maybe not.

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The BBC story reported that during one experiment last month, "the amount of energy released through the fusion reaction exceeded the amount of energy being absorbed by the fuel - the first time this had been achieved at any fusion facility in the world." This prompted a rush of even more effusive headlines proclaiming the "fusion breakthrough." As no doubt NIF's press officers would have told reporters, the experiment in question certainly shows important progress, but it is not the breakthrough everyone is hoping for.
A memo sent out on 29 September to collaborating labs from NIF Director Ed Moses—which has been seen by Science—describes a fusion shot that took place at 5:15 a.m. on 28 September. It produced 5x10[SUP]15[/SUP] neutrons, 75% more than any previous shot. Neutrons are a product of fusion reactions, so they are used as a measure of success.
For fusion experiments, NIF directs 192 laser beams from all directions at the fusion target in a pulse that carries 1.8 million joules (MJ) of energy. The outer part of the target is a tiny metal can the size of a pencil eraser, called a hohlraum, at the center of which sits a plastic sphere smaller than a peppercorn containing frozen fusion fuel—a mixture of the hydrogen isotopes deuterium and tritium, known as DT. The ultraviolet beams are fired into the hohlraum through holes at each end but not directly at the fuel capsule. Instead they hit the inner walls of the hohlraum, heating it so much that it emits a pulse of x-rays. The x-rays cause the plastic capsule to explode, driving the fuel inward toward its center.
If all goes according to plan, the fuel—compressed to 100 times the density of lead—will ignite a fusion reaction, but the laser-driven implosion does not provide enough energy to burn all the DT fuel. Some energy from the fusion reactions is needed to keep the burn going. DT fusion reactions produce two products: helium nuclei (aka alpha particles), which carry 20% of the reaction energy as kinetic energy; and neutrons, which carry the rest. For fusion to work as an energy source, the alpha particles must efficiently heat up the fuel to keep the reaction running.
To achieve this, NIF researchers have been experimenting with the shape of the laser pulse to make it deliver more power near the beginning. In his 29 September memo, Moses says these improvements had led to alpha-particle heating that doubled the energy yield—"a clear demonstration of the mechanism that is needed to achieve ignition," he wrote. Ignition is the goal of a self-sustaining, alpha-heated fusion burn producing more energy than the laser put in. Moses also says the energy yield (carried by the neutrons and estimated at 14 kilojoules) was more than the x-ray energy absorbed to implode the capsule, a milestone he refers to as "scientific breakeven."
“It is a good experiment,” says Michael Campbell, a former director of NIF who now works for Logos Technologies in Fairfax, Virginia. “From a science standpoint, the target worked well enough for alpha particles to heat some of the fuel.” But Campbell is concerned about overhyping each step in what is bound to be a long haul toward fusion as an energy source. The energy yield in last month’s experiment is still a very long way from ignition, the goal—enshrined in NIF's name—that the facility was expected to reach a year ago. NIF is now partway through a 3-year campaign to nail down why it is struggling to reach that goal. “It’s a science-based program now. They are trying to identify some of the obstacles to getting to ignition,” Campbell says.
One requirement for ignition is that energy output should exceed the energy input from the laser, i.e., that gain (output divided by input) should be greater than 1. NIF's laser input of 1.8 MJ is roughly the same as the kinetic energy of a 2-tonne truck traveling at 160 km/h (100 miles/h). The output of the reaction—14 kJ—is equivalent to the kinetic energy of a baseball traveling at half that speed. Numerically speaking, the gain is 0.0077. The experiment “is a good and necessary step, but there is a long way to go before you have energy for mankind,” Campbell says.

http://news.sciencemag.org/physics/2013/10/fusion-breakthrough-nif-uh-not-really-…

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A long, long, long way from Ignition. When you are counting individual Neutrons and only get 10 to the 15th order of magnitude, we have a long way to go and certainly, this could be a dead end. It took so many years to set this up. The hall is massive. The usual tons of shinny gear.

They only do a few shots a year. And they finally got one to talk about. .0077 return of energy. It would be meaningless and never reported without the Energy Agenda.

I remember being so sure we had solved AI at least 3 times in the last 30 years. We may never get to AI.

And no Big Oil Slayer from Fusion. Just a pipe dream. Torus experiments are over until better shielding for the Neutron flux can be conjured up. They are sorta stumped right now.

Just so everyone doesn't feel so hopeless over this. An electrostatic field will follow a blue lazer providing it is set to the edge of the spectrum. Blue light and electromagnetic energy travel side by side in the over all spectrum. Maybe your answer is in the compact disk. This is so long ago. I remember something about h3 will build up in the core and something else.

bird mcbride said:

Just so everyone doesn't feel so hopeless over this. An electrostatic field will follow a blue lazer providing it is set to the edge of the spectrum. Blue light and electromagnetic energy travel side by side in the over all spectrum. Maybe your answer is in the compact disk. This is so long ago. I remember something about h3 will build up in the core and something else.

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aaaaah...... aaaaahhhh-CHOOOoooooooultravioletoooooooooooo

That's actually interesting. I haven't heard of that yet (i.e. EM fields and blue lasers). Got any links? Or is it discussed in a textbook somewhere?

frizzlegooch said:

I tend to agree . It's great and clean until you have to dispose of the hazardous waste. There are many cleaner and safer alternatives . People generally fear the unknown and I must say I don't fully understand the specifics of nuclear power but having a mike power plant even in my county would scare me .

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fusion reactors (still hypothetical, as making the fusion happen takes more energy than can be reclaimed, for now) does not create hazardous waste. it uses no heavy metals and leaves no radioactive residue, thats why it is being pursued (but remains elusive)

bird mcbride is not talking about fusion, he is talking about a chemical reaction, one which takes place fairly commonly in the "reactor field" we call Fire.

when a fire burns hot enough it can break the covalent bonds of a water molecule releasing oxygen and hydrogen, which as any fool knows, is a highly combustible mix.

ginjawarrior said:

Hmm what exactly do you think you get when you combine oxygen and hydrogen with fire?

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so, wait, are you suggesting that a fire which burns hot enough to break the covalent bonds of an h2o molecule will simply make destroy remake and re-destroy the same water over and over in a perpetual motion machine?

further in the presence of carbon, the O2 bonds with the carbon rather than the hydrogen making co2, not h20.

bird mcbride is simply wrong, and you personal animus has no place here.

covalent bonding is NOT fusion.

bird mcbride said:

Yes, an electrostatic field has to be produce inside of the reactor core for the purpose of defusing. The core also has to be brought up to a specific temp in order for the fusion to continue, similar in some ways as a diesel engine.

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What? Defusing? Fusion is nothing like dieseling. The engine temp and the compression is enough to fire the diesel/air mix. A strictly chemical, and very very low order explosion.

Atomic Dieseling, is what is being attempted in the laser experiment. So, I get that part. They are trying to diesel a tiny pellet of DT, with 1.7 Mjoules of laser. Why go there? It is adjustable for pellet rate and not hard on Containment.

You run these Torus reactors at Sun surface temps for only so long. A laser zap, that is more than break even, can run a steam electric generator. That can fire the laser. Anything left can light a desk lamp or something. You can modulate the heat without massive fusion of a pile which is not that controllable, very destructive to cladding, etc.

You shut off pellet fusion with a switch. Don't fire a pellet and don't fire the laser. Done. They wish they have a switch at Fukushima.


So, if they will get even a 10% return that would be earth shaking. Now it is .0077.

Dr Kynes said:

so, wait, are you suggesting that a fire which burns hot enough to break the covalent bonds of an h2o molecule will simply make destroy remake and re-destroy the same water over and over in a perpetual motion machine?

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Only your limited knowledge suggests such things

Takes more energy to split water than you get from the burn

What exactly do you think you get from combining the two?

further in the presence of carbon, the O2 bonds with the carbon rather than the hydrogen making co2, not h20.

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What has carbon got to do with? this hydrogen isn't a catalyst

(Butane as the hydrocarbon)

http://www.webqc.org/balance.php

bird mcbride is simply wrong, and you personal animus has no place here.

covalent bonding is NOT fusion.

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No doubt McBride is wrong on nigh on most things they have said on this thread however on this you are wrong too.

hydrogen + oxygen = fire + water

Now that's funny. I don't care who ya'r

Dr Kynes said:

i think every home should be equipped with it's own Google Box.

maybe you should invest in one.

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ginjawarrior said:

Only your limited knowledge suggests such things

Takes more energy to split water than you get from the burn

2 H2(g) + O2(g) → 2 H2O(g)​

What exactly do you think you get from combining the two?


What has carbon got to do with? this hydrogen isn't a catalyst

(Butane as the hydrocarbon)

http://www.webqc.org/balance.php

Enter a chemical equation to balance:

Balance!

Balanced equation: 2 C[SUB]4[/SUB]H[SUB]10[/SUB] + 13 O[SUB]2[/SUB] = 8 CO[SUB]2[/SUB] + 10 H[SUB]2[/SUB]O

No doubt McBride is wrong on nigh on most things they have said on this thread however on this you are wrong too.

hydrogen + oxygen = fire + water

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riiiiight...

so you are alleging that covalent breaking of H2O into H and O, then igniting the mix will make either more energy OR more water than the initial "de-fusion" (ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha) process consumed?

thats what birdie mcbride is asserting.

or are you jumping on-board with the Hypognosis (hypothesis is too generous for this ignorant claptrap) that covalent bonding is in fact "Fusion"?

either way, you are now indulging in your usual ad hominem assaults because i didnt spell it all out in detail, which you would of course attack for being TLDR.

go follow somebody else around, your self-glorified ignorance and juvenile posturing doesnt impress me.

Edit: and OXYGEN is the catalyzing element in Fire. the presence of carbon in a Hydrogen/Oxygen fire will result in CO2 as a result of oxygen's willingness to bond with that slutty carbon molecule.

Dr Kynes said:

3 ) "igniting things" is what we call a chemical reaction, specifically. "fire" it's sorta new. you probably havent heard of it yet. but it does NOT make "water"

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Dr Kynes said:

so you are alleging that covalent breaking of H2O into H and O, then igniting the mix will make either more energy OR more water than the initial "de-fusion" (ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha) process consumed?

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No

thats what birdie mcbride is asserting.

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McBride being wrong doesn't automatically make you right

or are you jumping on-board with the Hypognosis (hypothesis is too generous for this ignorant claptrap) that covalent bonding is in fact "Fusion"?

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No

either way, you are now indulging in your usual ad hominem assaults because i didnt spell it all out in detail, which you would of course attack for being TLDR.

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So much butt hurt over nothing more than a simple correction....

You still haven't said what you think comes from a hydrogen + oxygen reaction

go follow somebody else around, your self-glorified ignorance and juvenile posturing doesnt impress me.

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I correct glaringly wrong mistakes, I can hardly help that your a large source of such mistakes

Edit: and OXYGEN is the catalyzing element in Fire. the presence of carbon in a Hydrogen/Oxygen fire will result in CO2 as a result of oxygen's willingness to bond with that slutty carbon molecule.

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You get co2 from combining carbon and oxygen (no hydrogen needed)
You get co2 + h2o from combining carbon oxygen and hydrogen


Now again (without carbon) what exactly do you think happens when you combine H2 + O2?

ginjawarrior said:

Now again (without carbon) what exactly do you think happens when you combine H2 + O2?

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You get water and a very miniscule amount of helium.

H2o + an electrostatic field = oxygen,hydrogen.

bird mcbride said:

You get water and a very miniscule amount of helium.

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No

bird mcbride said:

H2o + an electrostatic field = oxygen,hydrogen.

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Your an electric universe woo meister aren't you?

H2o + an electrostatic field = oxygen,hydrogen + ignition temp(fusing) = h2o. In order to have a continuous reaction, defusing is a necessary componant of a true hot fussion reactor.

bird mcbride said:

H2o + an electrostatic field = oxygen,hydrogen + ignition temp(fusing) = h2o. In order to have a continuous reaction, defusing is a necessary componant of a true hot fussion reactor.

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No........