NoTillPhil's 2018 Backyard Tree Mission

The Gas Lantern Routine is used outdoors. You use the sun to veg, but add 2 hours of light at midnight to keep it in veg.

too larry said:

It is the length of the dark period, not the light, that determines the flower trigger. Longer nights makes them flower, so when you break the night up into two shorter nights, it fools them into thinking it is summertime. Known as the Gas Lantern Routine. Folks in the tropics have been doing it forever.

LED lights on a string is what most people use. It doesn't take a lot of light for the plant to register it as daylight.

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Yeah I get that part and why. My concern is taking plants that flowered at 9 hours dark, getting to veg via gaslight then putting them back out when there is still about 9 hrs dark.

Have you done this with flowering girls then put back out with success?

too larry said:

The Gas Lantern Routine is used outdoors. You use the sun to veg, but add 2 hours of light at midnight to keep it in veg.

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I have not. My grows are pretty deep in the woods, so it would have to be an actual gas lantern if I tried it. Talk to some of the guys on the https://www.rollitup.org/t/hawaii-growers.56670/page-783. They have almost equal night and day, so most of them use it.

Two big girls are going to make it I does believe..... terrible pics from kindle..

Had some winds right off the bat and still need proper caging. The smaller starts mostly put down roots over the first week, but stalks have fattened and I'm sure they will start to burst soon.

Looking good man!

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Trying my hand outside first time so im tuning in


I actually.went with hydro though so we'll see how that works haha

I wanted to go with dirt but im just a dirt noob haha

Cold$moke said:

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Trying my hand outside first time so im tuning in


I actually.went with hydro though so we'll see how that works haha

I wanted to go with dirt but im just a dirt noob haha

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What setup are you planning to use?

I've never messed with hydro before, but I've got some tomatoes in hempy buckets, and as long as I can keep them alive and healthy, I'll be doing my cannabis plants in fabric pots with coco DTW.

Right now just 5 gallon buckets ....kratky style no air pumps (for now)

I started these guys a long while ago and been torturing them in my tiny veg room

They hit about 4 ft tall in a 4 inch rockwool cube haha

So i stuck em out in a hoop house in buckets
The roots should explode hopefully

But i doubt anything like these outdoors in dirt though

NoTillPhil said:

Had some winds right off the bat and still need proper caging. The smaller starts mostly put down roots over the first week, but stalks have fattened and I'm sure they will start to burst soon.

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I don't see how you think I'm going to beat you. Your plants look awesome. And your soil looks amazing

Meh, my big girls are stalling hard right now. They hated the intense morning sun, so I 've been providing shade then. About 9-12.

I'm also a bit concerned that the soil I've worked all those months is locking out calcium. Have some lower leaves with rust spots showing and purple stems at the tips. No easy adjustment as far as the soil is concerned. I've been foliar feeding in the evenings hoping that once they set a good root system they will begin to pull what they need.

I've either got to much Phosphorus or a low PH. After reading a lot about our local soil and the alkalinity of it, I was led to believe I couldn't drag PH low enough to be out of range with just compost but I'm pretty sure that's exactly what I did. It should steadily be climbing as it further breaks down though. Point being, I'm trying to decide if I should wait it out or adjust my water ( something I never do ) to a higher PH to help it swing through range. I'll continue with foliar while I decide what's going on.

I'll throw up some pics and you guys can help me decide.

I should add that I'm not that worried yet and mostly have faith they will pull through it. Sooner or later their roots will hit pure native soil where calcium should be readily available. That's my story today anyway, and I'm sticking to it.

NoTillPhil said:

Meh, my big girls are stalling hard right now. They hated the intense morning sun, so I 've been providing shade then. About 9-12.

I'm also a bit concerned that the soil I've worked all those months is locking out calcium. Have some lower leaves with rust spots showing and purple stems at the tips. No easy adjustment as far as the soil is concerned. I've been foliar feeding in the evenings hoping that once they set a good root system they will begin to pull what they need.

I've either got to much Phosphorus or a low PH. After reading a lot about our local soil and the alkalinity of it, I was led to believe I couldn't drag PH low enough to be out of range with just compost but I'm pretty sure that's exactly what I did. It should steadily be climbing as it further breaks down though. Point being, I'm trying to decide if I should wait it out or adjust my water ( something I never do ) to a higher PH to help it swing through range. I'll continue with foliar while I decide what's going on.

I'll throw up some pics and you guys can help me decide.

I should add that I'm not that worried yet and mostly have faith they will pull through it. Sooner or later their roots will hit pure native soil where calcium should be readily available. That's my story today anyway, and I'm sticking to it.

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Did you harden the plants off for a few days before going out? {excuse me if you have already said} Most love all the sun they can get once they are hardened off.

Until the roots fill out, they can stall a little. A trick is to water just outside of your rootball. It forces the roots to grow out to find the water. And to make sure the soil drys out good before adding water.

too larry said:

Did you harden the plants off for a few days before going out? {excuse me if you have already said} Most love all the sun they can get once they are hardened off.

Until the roots fill out, they can stall a little. A trick is to water just outside of your rootball. It forces the roots to grow out to find the water. And to make sure the soil drys out good before adding water.

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Yeah, they were outside intermittently for most of their life and maybe a week in the shade before transplant. We are at almost 6000 ft elevation with dry hot weather, I'm guessing that is why. Also the current leaves from indoor growth are likely adapted to less usuable light. Back east there was also no limit to how much sun they could get. I see other growers here using shade cloth. I'm still learning the differences between NY and CO gardening.

First couple days I had to water at the base of plant but am increasing the distance. With the giant root ball from 10 gallon pots they needed to be replenished because they drink that ball dry daily. I could see the droop and return after a good watering. I had to do that the first three or four days. I know my biggest is still putting down roots because the stalk is swelling daily despite very little growth at the tips.

NoTillPhil said:

Yeah, they were outside intermittently for most of their life and maybe a week in the shade before transplant. We are at almost 6000 ft elevation with dry hot weather, I'm guessing that is why. Also the current leaves from indoor growth are likely adapted to less usuable light. Back east there was also no limit to how much sun they could get. I see other growers here using shade cloth. I'm still learning the differences between NY and CO gardening.

First couple days I had to water at the base of plant but am increasing the distance. With the giant root ball from 10 gallon pots they needed to be replenished because they drink that ball dry daily. I could see the droop and return after a good watering. I had to do that the first three or four days. I know my biggest is still putting down roots because the stalk is swelling daily despite very little growth at the tips.

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I forgot where you were at. Eddy600 {?} grows in the high dessert. He would be a good one to talk to. I think he is a greenhouse grower though.

Once the pot fills up with roots, they will take off.

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NoTillPhil said:

Yeah, they were outside intermittently for most of their life and maybe a week in the shade before transplant. We are at almost 6000 ft elevation with dry hot weather, I'm guessing that is why. Also the current leaves from indoor growth are likely adapted to less usuable light. Back east there was also no limit to how much sun they could get. I see other growers here using shade cloth. I'm still learning the differences between NY and CO gardening.

First couple days I had to water at the base of plant but am increasing the distance. With the giant root ball from 10 gallon pots they needed to be replenished because they drink that ball dry daily. I could see the droop and return after a good watering. I had to do that the first three or four days. I know my biggest is still putting down roots because the stalk is swelling daily despite very little growth at the tips.

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The sun gets so intense here on the edge of the southern California desert, I use a 40% shade cloth, and my plants are happy happy (that's better than just happy). I haven't grown cannabis full term under the shade cloth, but my veggies have loved it.

Another interesting thread. I'm in.

I thought yesterday may have been first day of real burst on my biggest and I'm happy to say today I'm sure. Also think the deficiency is subsiding. Newest tips are no longer purple stemmed and overall perk is looking better. Hopefully with some luck, they just starved themselves a little while tapping roots.