NO! On Prop 19

Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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fdd2blk said:
Poll finds 51 percent against pot legalization measure


Associated Press

Posted: 10/22/2010 07:58:25 AM PDT
Updated: 10/22/2010 07:58:27 AM PDT


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LOS ANGELES -- A Los Angeles Times/USC poll is showing that about half of the likely voters asked say they will vote against Proposition 19, the ballot initiative that would legalize recreational marijuana use in California.
According to the poll released today, 51 percent said they would vote against the proposition, while 39 percent said they would voter in favor. Ten percent said they didn't know, or refused to answer.
The poll was conducted by telephone from Oct. 13 through Oct. 20 among a random sample of 922 likely voters.
If passed, Proposition 19 would allow adults at least 21 years old to possess up to 1 ounce of marijuana and grow 25-square-foot pot gardens for personal pleasure.
It would also authorize county and city governments to regulate and tax commercial cultivation and sales.
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http://yeson19.com/sites/default/files/Prop%2019%20live%20vs%20auto%20poll.pdf
 
nathenking

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tardis said:
actually its proven that mexican cartel weed has gone way uphill. some say its on par with humbolt or chico. It also is known that Mexico's marijuaan sales in the US make up 70% of their income, that same income which allows them to cut off heads int he street and murder familys on a daily basis. You dont know you are buying mexican weed if you live in southern cali, you might think it was grown in northern cali. Yes voting Yes will stop the cartels or at least force them to find more difficult ways of making their money which will leave them wide open to being stopped. Its proven.
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keep believing that bro... what ever makes you feel better... the cartels sell the majority of there MJ in other states then cali.... californians grow there own bro... that is the truth and that is a fact... the cartel weed goes to tthe south&midwest, trust me, i was locked up with a few of these bros, i know where alot of there shit goes brudda.... and these are real people, not folks that right down arbitrarty numbers and then you read them and regirjitate... real people with real experience....
 
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growone

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this is one tough vote to call, nature of the beast i think
i will say that the few prior votes that have occurred didn't have much of a chance(one in Nevada if i remember right)
but this time it could be yes, first real chance at MJ legalization(limited) in a vote
that's a breakthrough in itself
 
REALSTYLES

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luvourmother said:
your ignorance is showing :)
supply and demand theory is that when demand increases prices drop...
grow equipment will be more available at cheaper prices than now because the legal demand will exist

im a clerk in a mom and pop hydro store here in so. cal. the owner is already planning on losing profits when 19 passes because competition will open up. meaning more hydro stores and places that sell growing supplies, leading to lower prices all around.
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oh yeah you think Hydrofarm is gonna drop it's prices because 19 passes? Hell nah!!!!! You think Advanced Nutrients is gonna drop their prices? You're the who is ignorant I know sales look at Microsoft is Windows 7 Ultimate cheap?You're lost about greed and money.
 
Burger Boss

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Dan Kone

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desert dude said:
I sure hope the vote turns out the way your link implies it will.
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So do I. But all it really proves is that polls, especially live operator polls are completely unreliable. I don't think anyone knows how this is going to turn out. I suspect the robo-polls to be more accurate. It makes sense. Can't really say for sure though. It'll be too close to call.
 
Dan Kone

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nathenking said:
keep believing that bro... what ever makes you feel better... the cartels sell the majority of there MJ in other states then cali.... californians grow there own bro... that is the truth and that is a fact... the cartel weed goes to tthe south&midwest, trust me, i was locked up with a few of these bros, i know where alot of there shit goes brudda.... and these are real people, not folks that right down arbitrarty numbers and then you read them and regirjitate... real people with real experience....
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What he's saying is there is a different type of cartel bud that's been coming up in the last 2 years. Yes, the Mexican grown brick weed is not going to Cali, but now the cartels are growing outdoor in California. It's not distinguishable from any other Cali outdoor.
 
Dan Kone

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REALSTYLES said:
oh yeah you think Hydrofarm is gonna drop it's prices because 19 passes? Hell nah!!!!! You think Advanced Nutrients is gonna drop their prices? You're the who is ignorant I know sales look at Microsoft is Windows 7 Ultimate cheap?You're lost about greed and money.
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I think I agree with you on this. Especially with smaller scale growing equipment/nuts. I can see them putting out special 5x5 systems and ripping off who ever buys them.
 
desert dude

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Dan Kone said:
So do I. But all it really proves is that polls, especially live operator polls are completely unreliable. I don't think anyone knows how this is going to turn out. I suspect the robo-polls to be more accurate. It makes sense. Can't really say for sure though. It'll be too close to call.
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I agree. Just have to wait till November 3 to see how it turns out.
 
Dan Kone

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fdd2blk said:
your stats come from the YES on 19 site. :roll:

i'm simply reporting what today's local news is saying.
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If you are implying that it's possible the yes on 19 site would ask questions to people in a way to get a positive response and therefor is possibly inaccurate, then I absolutely agree with you. That's very likely. But that wasn't the point at all. Click on the link and look at the results on robocalls vs live operator polls.

I not saying it depicts an accurate result. I'm saying it proves all polls on prop 19 are inaccurate because people aren't answering truthfully. When asked the same questions, people answered differently depending on if it was a live person on the phone or a robo call. The same thing applied to all demographics. Between 10-24% of people from each different demographic lied to the live operator. For all we know there is another 5-10% of people lying on the robo call. People don't like to admit they support prop 19 publicly.

You news can report whatever it wants, it's proven that people are lying to pollsters so the poll your local news is possibly reporting inaccurate information.
 
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fdd2blk

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Dan Kone said:
If you are implying that it's possible the yes on 19 site would ask questions to people in a way to get a positive response and therefor is possibly inaccurate, then I absolutely agree with you. That's very likely. But that wasn't the point at all. Click on the link and look at the results on robocalls vs live operator polls.

I not saying it depicts an accurate result. I'm saying it proves all polls on prop 19 are inaccurate because people aren't answering truthfully. When asked the same questions, people answered differently depending on if it was a live person on the phone or a robo call. The same thing applied to all demographics. Between 10-24% of people from each different demographic lied to the live operator. For all we know there is another 5-10% of people lying on the robo call. People don't like to admit they support prop 19 publicly.

You news can report whatever it wants, it's proven that people are lying to pollsters so the poll your local news is possibly reporting inaccurate information.
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but when it's in favor of the other guy, ........................ :eyesmoke:
 
Burger Boss

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And tic-toc goes the clock......9 more days......"Are we having fun yet?"......Hmmm....I know I am!......my best harvest ever, and no 215 or 19 involved.......I just did it and got away for another year.......my only question for next year's grow is, can I take the wall down......I'll find out in 9 more days......Good luck & good grow.......BB
 
veggiegardener

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Burger Boss said:
And tic-toc goes the clock......9 more days......"Are we having fun yet?"......Hmmm....I know I am!......my best harvest ever, and no 215 or 19 involved.......I just did it and got away for another year.......my only question for next year's grow is, can I take the wall down......I'll find out in 9 more days......Good luck & good grow.......BB
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LOL!

Do you live in Rancho Cordova?

Your neighbors will insure that you pay your $600/ sq. ft. fee for your 25 sq. ft garden.

Other jurisdictions may charge more, once it is legal to do so.

(Read P19)
 
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growone

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veggiegardener said:
LOL!

Do you live in Rancho Cordova?

Your neighbors will insure that you pay your $600/ sq. ft. fee for your 25 sq. ft garden.

Other jurisdictions may charge more, once it is legal to do so.

(Read P19)
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this is where it gets a bit funny
DEA has announced that any tax receipts from MJ growing may be interpreted as being accessory to a felony(or some similar wording)
the municipalities seem to have gotten the message, they're pulling these tax referendums
which is funny, DEA is small growers friend?
bit murky what is going on with these initiatives, call it the fog of war
 
nathenking

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growone said:
this is where it gets a bit funny
DEA has announced that any tax receipts from MJ growing may be interpreted as being accessory to a felony(or some similar wording)
the municipalities seem to have gotten the message, they're pulling these tax referendums
which is funny, DEA is small growers friend?
bit murky what is going on with these initiatives, call it the fog of war
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you got that right... so all the people that are saying this tax money is gonna help cali out of debt, it actually isnt... no one is gonna self incriminate themselves.... its called survival instinct... i would rather get busted with a grow in cali by local law enforcement, then get busted by the DEA on federal tax charges.... any day of the week.... tax myth debunked, cartel myth debunked, a ounce is now decriminalized... 5x5 absolutely unacceptable, WHY NOT WAIT UNTIL 2012, this bill gets shittier and shittier....
 
desert dude

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nathenking said:
you got that right... so all the people that are saying this tax money is gonna help cali out of debt, it actually isnt... no one is gonna self incriminate themselves.... its called survival instinct... i would rather get busted with a grow in cali by local law enforcement, then get busted by the DEA on federal tax charges.... any day of the week.... tax myth debunked, cartel myth debunked, a ounce is now decriminalized... 5x5 absolutely unacceptable, WHY NOT WAIT UNTIL 2012, this bill gets shittier and shittier....
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Sure, why not wait until 2012, I mean we have only been waiting for forty years already? Maybe your grand kids can debate the wonderful legalize MJ initiative on the ballot in 2042, and you can tell them how you fucked up so bad in 2010.
 
nathenking

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yeah right man... you personally have been waiting for 40 years... that must make you a least 55 or 60 correct?
 
Burger Boss

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nathenking said:
yeah right man... you personally have been waiting for 40 years... that must make you a least 55 or 60 correct?
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NO mr. King, not him....ME!.......I'VE been waiting 46 years!!!!! And I WONT make the 2042 ballot.......2012 is a little dicey LOL.
8 more days........Yep.......I plan to be on line and in here, Weds., Nov. 3 around 3/4 a.m.......Care to join the celebration?.......BB
 
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