NO! On Prop 19

Humboldt14

Humboldt14

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Dan Kone said:
Doesn't matter if you think about it or not. It's not about that. Ignoring it doesn't make it go away. Ending prohibition does in the long run.
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yea but i am content with the way it is, i was content in the 80's and early 90's when C.A.M.P. and DEA were ragging war against us up here in Southern Humboldt. Thats part of the culture up here. nobody complains its accepted.
 
mr2shim

mr2shim

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Humboldt14 said:
yea but i am content with the way it is, i was content in the 80's and early 90's when C.A.M.P. and DEA were ragging war against us up here in Southern Humboldt. Thats part of the culture up here. nobody complains its accepted.
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What about the rest of the Country? Do you not care? As long as you've got yours, right? Selfish mentality, selfish person. Why do you even smoke marijuana if all you care about is yourself.

Last time I checked, I do not live in this world alone. Move to an island or something, we don't need you here. Selfish prick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_19_%282010%29#Oppose

By you and every other selfish Californian voting no, you're supporting and siding with everyone of them. Congrats at being the biggest hypocrite on the internet.
 
mr2shim

mr2shim

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Humboldt14 said:
thats why allot of us growers up here a having to grow 500 to 1000 pounds to make enough money to live and pay everybody that works on your proper-tie and then pay for the next year, if it passes its going to force us outdoor growers to have to grow well 0ver a 1000 pounds every year in order to make it. So we will still be illegally growing.
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So the fact that prop 19 passing could/will push for legalization in other States doesn't matter to you? Ending prohibition, keeping millions of lives from being ruined? No longer being shoved in jail with murderers. None of that matters, it's all about the dollar, right?

Take a good look in the mirror bud, you're just as corrupt as politicians.
 
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x<Juniper][niartS>x

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Unfortunately prop 19 won't affect me either way. On my first read through I pegged it as a bad bill but after much re-reading and some critical thinking while not blazed it became a lot more reasonable. the 25 sq. ft. grow space should be enough for personal, especially if you know what you are doing. I was hoping to see a number of plants limit though like they have for homegrown tobacco instead of spacial limitations. But like I said, it doesn't matter for me. I hate Alabama laws.
 
klmmicro

klmmicro

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mr2shim said:
So the fact that prop 19 passing could/will push for legalization in other States doesn't matter to you? Ending prohibition, keeping millions of lives from being ruined? No longer being shoved in jail with murderers. None of that matters, it's all about the dollar, right?

Take a good look in the mirror bud, you're just as corrupt as politicians.
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They are looking at their livelihoods being shut out. It will not matter what the bill, prop or otherwise...the reasons that I have heard stated in this (and other threads) means that this group will ALWAYS be against legalization. If it goes legal under 19, their reasoning is that big business will take over. I can already hear their arguments against the 2012 initiative where there will be no limit. That will shut them down and WILL drive the value into the ground. Any average Joe under that one will be able to grow as much as they want and norcal will be a novelty at that point.

This is about a business model becoming defunct due to progress. No matter the vehicle used to end prohibition, the people arguing against it here will be out of income.
 
Humboldt14

Humboldt14

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klmmicro said:
They are looking at their livelihoods being shut out. It will not matter what the bill, prop or otherwise...the reasons that I have heard stated in this (and other threads) means that this group will ALWAYS be against legalization. If it goes legal under 19, their reasoning is that big business will take over. I can already hear their arguments against the 2012 initiative where there will be no limit. That will shut them down and WILL drive the value into the ground. Any average Joe under that one will be able to grow as much as they want and norcal will be a novelty at that point.

This is about a business model becoming defunct due to progress. No matter the vehicle used to end prohibition, the people arguing against it here will be out of income.
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thank you for understanding.. but see you kind of understand because you live in California and you know about the generational growing culture that go's on up here.

applauded...:clap::clap::clap::clap:
 
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growone

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i don't think you have to be in the northern counties, or california for that matter, to understand that a large change in MJ law could be a massive impact to those making their living based on current law
it's not complicated, even some of us from NY(gasp) know this
but i think the vast majority of us(grower and consumer) understand change is coming whether 19 makes it over the top
i actually do hope growers aren't driven to poverty or homelessness
but 19 being voted down will just be a temporary respite, NY will probably go MMJ this year
it's federal law that is so disconnected from reality, and that could change over the next 2 years
the old scare stories of MJ are losing their effect, change is coming
 
klmmicro

klmmicro

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It is a two edged sword really. Either side of the blade you are on...you are going to get cut. I am for legalization as I feel that the entirely of its prohibition was based on fallacy. Nearly 90 years of lies used to keep it illegal, but it was the "war on drugs" that started the real money coming in for government. I can understand that during that time, a type of business grew up around it. I am saddened that those people relying on this model will be out because of legalization, but that still is not enough to change my mind that it should be legal.

My view is simple, we are up against the largest man powered machine ever created...the US Government. They stand to lose A LOT if cannabis is ever legalized. Compared to weed, the other drugs available pale. I am willing to bet that weed users outnumber users of all other drugs (illicit, as prescription addicts are a whole 'nother ballgame entirely) combined. They are the largest group, therefore the easiest target. Also, Cannabis is easy to grow and so supply is always fairly high (no pun intended). Prohibition has created a "market" where profits are cash and people have come to rely on it.

The problem comes as more and more "normal folks" start to see through the falsehood that the government uses to perpetuate its control over cannabis. Legalization is inevitable, and I find myself supporting anything that furthers that. It has become my goal, for my part. Prop 19 is a tool, nothing more. My thought, at least with 19 there is a vehicle to growing for the newly formed "legal" market. The ball has to start rolling somewhere no measure is ever going to be perfect until it is outright legalized on a federal level.

Humbolt, thanks for understanding what I was trying to say.
 
mr2shim

mr2shim

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klmmicro said:
It is a two edged sword really. Either side of the blade you are on...you are going to get cut. I am for legalization as I feel that the entirely of its prohibition was based on fallacy. Nearly 90 years of lies used to keep it illegal, but it was the "war on drugs" that started the real money coming in for government. I can understand that during that time, a type of business grew up around it. I am saddened that those people relying on this model will be out because of legalization, but that still is not enough to change my mind that it should be legal.

My view is simple, we are up against the largest man powered machine ever created...the US Government. They stand to lose A LOT if cannabis is ever legalized. Compared to weed, the other drugs available pale. I am willing to bet that weed users outnumber users of all other drugs (illicit, as prescription addicts are a whole 'nother ballgame entirely) combined. They are the largest group, therefore the easiest target. Also, Cannabis is easy to grow and so supply is always fairly high (no pun intended). Prohibition has created a "market" where profits are cash and people have come to rely on it.

The problem comes as more and more "normal folks" start to see through the falsehood that the government uses to perpetuate its control over cannabis. Legalization is inevitable, and I find myself supporting anything that furthers that. It has become my goal, for my part. Prop 19 is a tool, nothing more. My thought, at least with 19 there is a vehicle to growing for the newly formed "legal" market. The ball has to start rolling somewhere no measure is ever going to be perfect until it is outright legalized on a federal level.

Humbolt, thanks for understanding what I was trying to say.
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Completely agree. Great post. As much as it would suck to see peoples livelihoods destroyed because of legalization, I still want to see it happen.
 
nathenking

nathenking

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mr2shim said:
So the fact that prop 19 passing could/will push for legalization in other States doesn't matter to you? Ending prohibition, keeping millions of lives from being ruined? No longer being shoved in jail with murderers. None of that matters, it's all about the dollar, right?

Take a good look in the mirror bud, you're just as corrupt as politicians.
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and so are you.... you have your own agenda as well... everybody does.... i would much rather support hb14 then anybody that you have quoted or refereneced or even mentioned.... he is a normal person that stands to lose alot... alot more than you that is.... you dont get it... you never will.... get over it... quit trying to be original or think for youself clone.... just keep being scared about what ever it is that they scare you about bruddda... rastafari!!!
 
nathenking

nathenking

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klmmicro said:
They are looking at their livelihoods being shut out. It will not matter what the bill, prop or otherwise...the reasons that I have heard stated in this (and other threads) means that this group will ALWAYS be against legalization. If it goes legal under 19, their reasoning is that big business will take over. I can already hear their arguments against the 2012 initiative where there will be no limit. That will shut them down and WILL drive the value into the ground. Any average Joe under that one will be able to grow as much as they want and norcal will be a novelty at that point.

This is about a business model becoming defunct due to progress. No matter the vehicle used to end prohibition, the people arguing against it here will be out of income.
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Humboldt will always be able to grow/sell their ganja.... the best produced MJ in the world comes out of their... Im not saying THE ABSOLUTE BEST BUD OR BAG YOU EVER BOUGHT CAME OUT OF THERE... Im saying for mass quantities and how good the quality is.... I can find the best indoor strains that are clone only, as well as 200 out door Blueberrie haze in a single day... No one will ever touch that.... its a way of life, its a livelyhood...

not to take away from any other place that grows, im just saying the sheer size and quality is hard for anybody to beat.... it is the mecca that is for sure....
 
desert dude

desert dude

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Humboldt14 said:
yea but i am content with the way it is, i was content in the 80's and early 90's when C.A.M.P. and DEA were ragging war against us up here in Southern Humboldt. Thats part of the culture up here. nobody complains its accepted.
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Humboldt, thanks for being honest about it. You are in it for the money, and you are afraid of losing your livelihood; I respect that.

I think your fears are overblown regarding P19. What you are doing now is illegal. If 19 passes, what you are doing will still be illegal. P19 is a change to state law only, so I don't expect it to have much effect on MJ prices. There will probably be a shit storm from the feds for a while if 19 passes, so keep your head down and be careful if that happens.

If MJ gets legalized at the federal level, then you are screwed because then the price WILL drop by a lot. You will have to get a regular job like the rest of us.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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Humboldt14 said:
what about the rest of the country? most of the rest of the country can go get a job.
this all we have and we had it way before you were swimming around in your daddy's ball sac

you obviously dont live here so you are sort of ignorant on the subject of the Economical Crash thats going to happen here.

dont worry bro even if its not legalize you will still be able to smoke your dime bag brother......
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There will be no economic crash. Bud won't stop being grown in humboldt. All you have to do is form a legal business to do it now. That really isn't the end of the world. In exchange for that a lot of people all over California will stop being put in jail. Maybe you don't care about the risk personally, but those are real people and they really are going to jail regardless of if you think about that sort of thing or not.

BTW - Humboldt isn't the only place in Cali with a bud growing tradition. We know a thing or two about that down here too.
 
ky|e

ky|e

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Well said. I still would like to see legalization tho.
TokinPodPilot said:
Hmm... as inadequate and short-sighted as those arguments are... I'm still going to have to go with no. Tricky Dick Lee has made more than enough money exploiting cannabis users. I have no intention of handing him and those like him the keys to a brand new industry to corner while people rot in jail for risking what Lee and his cronies don't have the backbone to risk.
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Serapis

Serapis

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ky|e said:
Well said. I still would like to see legalization tho.
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We all would... voting no for 19 will not bring it...... Those that tell you it will are fools.... The mob didn't want prohibition to end either.... makes one wonder....
 
tardis

tardis

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Vote Yes or you are supporting mexican smugglers and expensive lower quality weed.

VOTE YES. It means legal, cheaper, higher quality pot for everyone.
 
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