Nitro deficiency or light burn?

im4satori

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man those plants look plenty green to me

I don't even see any yellowing in the pics

not sure what the issue is

theres no reason to ph adjust solution when running soil
and id not increase the nutes

is it the "kind" nutes from botanicare or the liquid organic stuff?
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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Im just busting on him. just trying to point out he needs a couple of fans on the canopy.
Not visible in those pics, but I have 2 Global Industrial 24 inch fans going, a 10 inch 1056cfm Hyperfan fresh air intake with an 18 Wheeler canister filter, and a 2 ton Carrier moving plenty of air, and a 24X 18 filtered exhaust with a 10 inch butterfly valve so I can recirc the interior building air or dump it all outside.. I mostly dump it outside unless the overnights temp get too crazy low. It helps maintain the 77ish temp in there.
 
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DoubleAtotheRON

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man those plants look plenty green to me

I don't even see any yellowing in the pics

not sure what the issue is

theres no reason to ph adjust solution when running soil
and id not increase the nutes

is it the "kind" nutes from botanicare or the liquid organic stuff?
Botanicare veg solution liquid organic. There is not really any yellowing, just turning pale green all over.. And I always PH my 55 gallon tank at every fill up. I go through about 55 gallons every 2 days or so at this point. It just concered me that a handful of these girls turned pale all over during the corse of the past 5-7 days. I understand that some plans are more sensitive to 1000w LED's that some, so I have moved those to the middle of the rows and out form under the direct light... We'll see what happens over the next couple of days.
 
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im4satori

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Botanicare veg solution liquid organic. There is not really any yellowing, just turning pale green. And I always PH my 55 gallon tank at every fill up. I go through about 55 gallons every 2 days or so at this point. It just concered me that a handful of these girls turned pale all over during the corse of the past 5-7 days.
ph adjusting solution for soil is a waste of time and completely unnecessary

when a gardener grows his outdoor crops in soil that's been buffered by lime
and the rain water falls on his crop (rain water ph is 5.0) it doesn't change the ph of the soil

because he added lime to the soil which keeps the ph of the soil stable regardless of the feed ph

ph adjusting is for hydro

ya
the organic nutes you gotta do it by eye more than anything else
if the tops are truly yellowing and its not showing in the pics and it turns out not to be light bleaching, id look at iron first

if you want to make sure your ph is correct youll need to do a slurry test on your soil to test ph

again
soil ph is monitored by a slurry... not buy adjusting the feed solution
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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ph adjusting solution for soil is a waste of time and completely unnecessary

when a gardener grows his outdoor crops in soil that's been buffered by lime
and the rain water falls on his crop (rain water ph is 5.0) it doesn't change the ph of the soil

because he added lime to the soil which keeps the ph of the soil stable regardless of the feed ph

ph adjusting is for hydro

ya
the organic nutes you gotta do it by eye more than anything else
if the tops are truly yellowing and its not showing in the pics and it turns out not to be light bleaching, id look at iron first

if you want to make sure your ph is correct youll need to do a slurry test on your soil to test ph

again
soil ph is monitored by a slurry... not buy adjusting the feed solution
I've added a decent amount of iron to the mix... didn't seem to help.
 

im4satori

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if you where N def youd see it in the lower leaves first

issues at the top a typically micro related and ph can play tricks on micro lockout first

so if you want to rule out ph problems do a slurry test on the soil to test the ph

botanigare is a pretty good/balanced nute line and theres not much reason you should be micro nute def
but im not as familiar with the organic lines
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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can I see another pic that's specific to the yellowing

I just don't see it in the pics you posted im sorry
I never said they were yellowing .... I only said that they had turned pale green on every branch, everywhere. (except the interior larf, that looks pretty good, which I have cleaned up most of it via lollipoping)
 
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im4satori

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I never said they were yellowing .... I only said that they had turned pale green on every branch, everywhere. (except the interior larf, that looks pretty good)
idk
somewhere I read something about N def as a possibility

N def shows at bottom as do all macro nutrients

micro nutrient and ph issues show at the tops

its probably the lights id guess, maybe idk

if you want to increase feed id use your normal mix and just do it two times in a row instead of every other, but looking at those plants they really don't look hungry for N to me and id not go to heavy on nutes cuz they look pretty dark overall and im afraid youll end up too much N, to me they look close to maxed out on N

btw
great looking garden!!!
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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great looking garden btw
Thanks!... we spent about 40K getting this room built. I had to set another separate meter, and run about 395 ft of underground wire to the shop to power up the 220v ceiling, and the AC. This State has some pretty reasonable yearly fees, and all my shit is paid for, so this grow should be pretty profitable. The next one in Feb will be a better learning experience.... and Ive learned a lot so far. Outdoor is so much easier.
 

im4satori

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could you be slightly over watering possibly, maybe?

nothing really wrong or screaming so, I just noticed a couple plants have a bit of mild leaf droop which could just be the strain or nothing

the garden looks so good I hate to sound like im a critic, it really looks great!
im just trying to be helpful in some way
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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could you be slightly over watering possibly, maybe?

nothing really wrong or screaming so, I just noticed a couple plants have a bit of mild leaf drop which could just be the strain or nothing

the garden looks so good I hate to sound like im a critic, it really looks great!
im just trying to be helpful in some way
Thanks bud!.. but this pic was taken at the end of a long light cycle because I was switching from 18/6 to 12/12. and they were on the long end of almost 24 hours on, and they were just needing a rest. They always look perked up the next morning after a rest. I had to extend that time to get from 11pm off and 5am on to 5pm on to 5am off. As it is getting colder, I figured that the heat during the cold part of the night would help.
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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DIAGNOSED!.. Took a little advise from everyone and got a light meter. Pulled those pale girls away from the lights a bit, and fed them. They have shown good improvement. Thanks everyone!
 
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