Newb Closet Coco Grow, 400w MH+HPS

The early give away is when they loss the luster on the leaves, when you look at the leaves at an angle there is no sheen.

So what should I do?

?? not too bad,wait maybe? never used that monkey juice don't want to steer you wrong.

The upper part looks good,if the plant is veging its cool to lose some leaves.

The Dutch (canna or house and garden)coco nutes are very good, good price too.

I gotta go spread some mud on a house, maybe User will come around and give you some advice.

The problem keeps getting worse and worse. One plant looks close to death with the very top leaves starting to yellow. The Monkey Juice is 4-0-0 for Part A and 2-2-3 for Part B. I definitely know what you're saying with the sheen. Once all the leaves started to look dry is when I really started having problems. Should I throw in some wood ash next time? IDK, feels like I should do something.

I can't really make out the yellowing of new growth in any of your plants. That second pic last page looks really good. I think the constant fluctuation of salts levels in the rootzone is at least partially responsible. Choose a dosing schedule and stick with it. This is where you're going to need that tds meter. The way nutrients work together, it's so difficult to pin down problems to a specific nutrient or profile. Oh and label strength on any nute I've ever used has always been too much.

I think it would be best to lower your ph to 6.2 and not go any lower. Especially if you can't accurately measure anything lower. I've always shot for 6.0 in hydro. Low 6's seems to be the sweet spot.

You're going to have to start giving the plants some consistency, if only to start ruling things out for potential problems. Then you'll have to be patient and let them grow out of their funk.

Man, I'm glad to have you guys checking this thread so often. So you think I should back down to 3/4 strength and just stick with it? The label says the regular strength is 600 ppm. I can't wait to get a meter. That place Tetra recommended won't accept my credit card. Something about billing and shipping address mismatch even though I order stuff online with it all the time. I'm just going to have to go to nearest hydro shop ASAP. Hopefully tomorrow. Thanks again for all the help. I'll keep you posted.

Maybe 600 ppm with RO water. Are you using RO? That label does not know the quality of water from your tap. Even so, at some point, 600 ppm will not be enough. Maybe that's label strength for young plants?

That's a real good point. I'm using straight tap water. Would using RO help me out? On the label there's really a whole range of doses from 2 mL/L up to 3.5 mL/L but everything above 2 is marked "aggressive feeding."

I'm also wondering whether the vinegar and chlorine neutralizer raises the ppms. Maybe a dumb question. I don't know.

I suggest you wait for the tds meter before you spend any more money. RO is the shit, but you don't need it to have a nice grow. Those aggressive feeding schedules are for mature plants that can handle it. I would consider your plants to be mid-sized. I would be feeding 700-800 ppm with RO. If your tap turns out to be 700+ ppm like THC has, you'lll want to get that RO unit. My tap is 200 ppm and I had to buy an RO unit just for my humidifiers.

mared juwan said:

I'm also wondering whether the vinegar and chlorine neutralizer raises the ppms. Maybe a dumb question. I don't know.

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Yes they will.

So I am a happy gardener again. I finally figured out it takes 2.5 - 3 days for me to see the effects of what I do to my plants. They were yellowing and deficient when I gave them a good nute dose three days ago and beginning last night they have started to green back up nicely. So now I can stick to User's advice and get on a stable schedule. I just have to know that if I have a problem again it will take two days to know if my fix worked. Patience, young grasshopper. Oh yeah, who likes bootleg side lighting? Check out how it brightens up one side of the outer plant.

Very nice, you learn quick.
Just wait till you learn about bugs and diseases.
If you put your trays on a stand you can use a fitting and hose to drain the run off.
CFLs look good as side lighting.

TetraHyC said:

Very nice, you learn quick.
Just wait till you learn about bugs and diseases.
If you put your trays on a stand you can use a fitting and hose to drain the run off.
CFLs look good as side lighting.

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Yeah, I actually have a giant rubbermaid tub and the trays have holes poked in the bottoms. I move the plants and trays on top of the tub for fifteen minutes when I water so it all drains into the tub. Transfer back to their homes is a little messy if I don't wait long enough so I'm working on a better solution.

One thing I saw,you might want to cover the carpet with plastic, not only for water but there may be things like mold spores in the carpet, I can see you are a clean person, you know how microbes are.

I've had my eye on this tarp at Walmart for a while. Just don't know how I would secure it to the floor. I guess just some heavy books in the corners,

blue painters tape is pretty easy on the paint job, can you tape the tarp to the baseboard ?

Painters tape. Yes, definitely will be using that. Hey, I searched for a while and can't find the significance (if any) of a plant having three leaves per node versus two. Only three of my plants are doing this, including the little one which did it right from the start.