New vert grow, could use some input please

Ok slight change of plans with a few questions. Changing the cabinet for mothers and clones.

I have purchased a 4x4X6.7' Gorilla GGL Lite tent. Pick it up this week.
I still plan on going vertical but increasing it to 5 plants because I think 5 fits the tent better then 4.
This will give me about 28" between screens so, about 14" from the light to each screen. Will my 400W Eye Hortilux Super HPS be enough light? I am hoping to get by with it as I won't have the funds to go to a 600W till after the first of the year.
Also, I have both 2 gallon and 3 gallon smart pots, 5 of each, which size is recommended? I know the 3 gallon will produce overall larger root balls thus larger plants but have read of people using coco in 2 gallon that were very happy with the results, The 3 gallon will require more water and nutes so cost is also a factor.
Does anyone hang their cooling fan or is it sat on top of something to the height needed. From what I have read, you do not need a large powerful fan, just a lite breeze blowing the heat away but not so much power that it forces the heat back to the lower part of the tent,???
Do I need any other fan in the tent for air circulation?
Thanks
GR

gr865 said:

Ok slight change of plans with a few questions. Changing the cabinet for mothers and clones.

I have purchased a 4x4X6.7' Gorilla GGL Lite tent. Pick it up this week.
I still plan on going vertical but increasing it to 5 plants because I think 5 fits the tent better then 4.
This will give me about 28" between screens so, about 14" from the light to each screen. Will my 400W Eye Hortilux Super HPS be enough light? I am hoping to get by with it as I won't have the funds to go to a 600W till after the first of the year.
Also, I have both 2 gallon and 3 gallon smart pots, 5 of each, which size is recommended? I know the 3 gallon will produce overall larger root balls thus larger plants but have read of people using coco in 2 gallon that were very happy with the results, The 3 gallon will require more water and nutes so cost is also a factor.
Does anyone hang their cooling fan or is it sat on top of something to the height needed. From what I have read, you do not need a large powerful fan, just a lite breeze blowing the heat away but not so much power that it forces the heat back to the lower part of the tent,???
Do I need any other fan in the tent for air circulation?
Thanks
GR

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2 gal pots are faster and easier to water and once established can be fed daily if you want. I used 3 gal pots this time and have been surprised that I can go 3 days or longer before watering and yes you can overwater in a 3 gal. For me it takes 1 gallon in a 3 gal pot to get the 20% runoff I'm used to. The 2 gal will be great to run these plants. I use a 20" fan set on 2 sometimes on 3. The higher setting works better for me. Just keep in mind that if what you do works, continue on even if it doesn't jive with what you get from this site. I'd use 5 plants like you thought.

Craig1969SS said:

2 gal pots are faster and easier to water and once established can be fed daily if you want. I used 3 gal pots this time and have been surprised that I can go 3 days or longer before watering and yes you can overwater in a 3 gal. For me it takes 1 gallon in a 3 gal pot to get the 20% runoff I'm used to. The 2 gal will be great to run these plants. I use a 20" fan set on 2 sometimes on 3. The higher setting works better for me. Just keep in mind that if what you do works, continue on even if it doesn't jive with what you get from this site. I'd use 5 plants like you thought.

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Thanks, so having the light at a distance of 14" from the plants should not be a problem for the 400W HPS?
Thanks for you comments,
GR

hey gr,
you going bare bulb or cool tube vert?

rkymtnman said:

hey gr,
you going bare bulb or cool tube vert?

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Bare bulb, that's the way I like my women also!
I am not real sure how I will set it up yet, but have a few Ideas.
GR

who doesn't!

you driving out here?

i got a solis tek 600, 6" cool tube i'd be willing to do some horse trading on. interested? i didn't have the right sized space but it would make a killer vert grow

gr865 said:

Thanks, so having the light at a distance of 14" from the plants should not be a problem for the 400W HPS?
Thanks for you comments,
GR

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No not at all. Keep in mind with a bare bulb a few inches means a lot. Always refer to the back of your hand before your finished tho.

Ok, getting close now.
6 of 8 beans have broke the surface of the coco solo's, other two I expect to do the same today. 4 of each, Blue Cheese and Critical Kush, I will use the best 5 for my vertical grow and maybe plant the others in the yard or give them away.
Modifications to my screens and ready to pick up my 4x4 Gorilla GGT Lite Tuesday, along with a new Eye Hortilux Super 400W HPS and a new vertical cord. Got the 2 gallon Smart Pots filled with straight Canna Coco and awaiting the replant from the Solo cups.
Ordered my Blumats yesterday, have nutes on hand, will be building my rez and setting them up early next week.
Want to veg and minimum of 6 weeks, would prefer 8 weeks, just got to watch my timing. 8 weeks would put me somewhere into late August or early Sept to begin 12/12. I will be leaving for about 3 weeks in mid Sept and have a long time friend coming to house and plant sit while we are gone. She has some grow experience but am having her come in mid veg to begin training and then about a week before we leave she will be here for more training. I hope to have it tied back by then and ready for her, hopefully she will just have to keep the rez full.
It would be nice if I can go 6 weeks so I could start 12/12 around the middle of Aug. and be about 4 weeks into flower so I can get the stretch completed. I will be taking clones during veg for spring harvest. I will also be adding an 5,000 btu A/C in the room where I will be pulling the ventilation from.
I do have a question on ventilation, since I will have a fan blowing up to the light will I need any other fans blowing on the plants? What size fan should I be looking at, I know I don't need lot's of power so I was think 14 or inches both box or round styles. Also, is it best to put some reflective material behind the screens?
Guess that's all I got for now.
GR

gr865 said:

Ok, getting close now.
6 of 8 beans have broke the surface of the coco solo's, other two I expect to do the same today. 4 of each, Blue Cheese and Critical Kush, I will use the best 5 for my vertical grow and maybe plant the others in the yard or give them away.

Modifications to my screens and ready to pick up my 4x4 Gorilla GGT Lite Tuesday, along with a new Eye Hortilux Super 400W HPS and a new vertical cord. Got the 2 gallon Smart Pots filled with straight Canna Coco and awaiting the replant from the Solo cups.
Ordered my Blumats yesterday, have nutes on hand, will be building my rez and setting them up early next week.
Want to veg and minimum of 6 weeks, would prefer 8 weeks, just got to watch my timing. 8 weeks would put me somewhere into late August or early Sept to begin 12/12. I will be leaving for about 3 weeks in mid Sept and have a long time friend coming to house and plant sit while we are gone. She has some grow experience but am having her come in mid veg to begin training and then about a week before we leave she will be here for more training. I hope to have it tied back by then and ready for her, hopefully she will just have to keep the rez full.
It would be nice if I can go 6 weeks so I could start 12/12 around the middle of Aug. and be about 4 weeks into flower so I can get the stretch completed. I will be taking clones during veg for spring harvest. I will also be adding an 5,000 btu A/C in the room where I will be pulling the ventilation from.
I do have a question on ventilation, since I will have a fan blowing up to the light will I need any other fans blowing on the plants? What size fan should I be looking at, I know I don't need lot's of power so I was think 14 or inches both box or round styles. Also, is it best to put some reflective material behind the screens?
Guess that's all I got for now.
GR

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I will be watching this as I want to try a vert grow in my 3x3 too.

Are your beans from Barney's? I have a critical kush and blue cheese going too from them. So I was curious why you would pick a strain that is said to grow short to medium for a vert grow? I'm in no way trying to pick a fight or anything here gr just an honest question. Maybe the tent is wider than taller etc.....

Thanks
EM

No problem Evil,

Critical Kush, Barneys Farm - Says height is 110cm, I plan on vegging for 8 weeks or until 18 to 24", then from reading reviews I can expect anywhere from 100 to 300% stretch.

Blue Cheese, Big Buddha Seeds - 100 to 225% stretch, again will veg 8 weeks. Buddy grew this from seed, 5 seed, one was short, the others were over 4 feet at harvest. That was a horizonal grow and he did some height control training.

No plants will be topped or height controlled in any way.

I am hoping they sort of match in height no matter how tall they get.
Working from seed you never know, hope to find at least one good clone of each and rock with them on my spring grow.

Hope that answered your question.

GR

gr865 said:

No problem Evil,

Critical Kush, Barneys Farm - Says height is 110cm, I plan on vegging for 8 weeks or until 18 to 24", then from reading reviews I can expect anywhere from 100 to 300% stretch.

Blue Cheese, Big Buddha Seeds - 100 to 225% stretch, again will veg 8 weeks. Buddy grew this from seed, 5 seed, one was short, the others were over 4 feet at harvest. That was a horizonal grow and he did some height control training.

No plants will be topped or height controlled in any way.

I am hoping they sort of match in height no matter how tall they get.
Working from seed you never know, hope to find at least one good clone of each and rock with them on my spring grow.

Hope that answered your question.

GR

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Ok I will be watching this then. I was under the impression the 110cm was the max after flower stretch so you taught me something and then I need to watch my plants in veg lol......

From Barney's I have a monster of a Blue cheese in flower, and then in veg critical kush, pineapple chunk, and liberty haze. Very happy with all of the plants so far. Good luck I will be watching to learn

gr865 said:

I do have a question on ventilation, since I will have a fan blowing up to the light will I need any other fans blowing on the plants?

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i would. strengthen stems and helps keep buds from molding.

Evil-Mobo said:

Ok I will be watching this then. I was under the impression the 110cm was the max after flower stretch so you taught me something and then I need to watch my plants in veg lol......

From Barney's I have a monster of a Blue cheese in flower, and then in veg critical kush, pineapple chunk, and liberty haze. Very happy with all of the plants so far. Good luck I will be watching to learn

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That 110 cm I believe the final height,but if I can veg to 24" and it stretches 100+% that would fit my screen well, the screens are 40x18".
The site I use for seed info is seedfinder.eu. Hopefully I will get long stretch pheno.
GR

I'm 5 weeks from seed and mine are 18" already in veg so be careful lol......

This is 33 days growth the last 18 of those days being 12/12. All of the plants have stretched 21-24" in those 18 days. They were vegged for 36 days. Make sure you have enough ceiling height if you go 8 weeks.

I had 5 seeds from Barneys, peppermint kush. I have to say they were the oddest plants in the room. They looked like shit no matter what I did. They stretched an unbelievable amount, they had to be bent over to stay within the lights. Very few fan leaves. I kicked them to the corner and they got leftovers but still grew and looked like shit until the last 2-3 weeks when they filled out. They turned out to be the most potent I've grown thus far. Don't prune the bottom branches either, they will grow nearly as tall as the top.

That's weird Craig but glad they worked out. All of my Barney's beans so far that I popped were freebies and some of the best looking plants I have grown, especially the Blue Cheese. And the smell from the very beginning as seedlings is just insane

Hey

Craig1969SS said:

This is 33 days growth the last 18 of those days being 12/12. All of the plants have stretched 21-24" in those 18 days. They were vegged for 36 days. Make sure you have enough ceiling height if you go 8 weeks.

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Looks like I will be playing it by ear then, how ever long it takes to get to around 24". What was time frame of the second pic you posted. How long into ver were they?
Thanks for the input, Looks like we live right down the road from each other. Cool!

GR

Well I designed my Blumat layout, ordered the parts and got them today. Also picked up my tent, light, vertical cord, fan speed controller and got some 4" ducting. Four hours later, I have my closet disassembled and the tent installed. Enough for today!
Getting room ready, got to remove that shelf.

Got that done and lined the floor with plastic.

Getting the tent ready

Putting it all together, one person, should be a two person job. But damn Gorilla tape works great.

Ok, lets get this done

Let's see how the screens fit. Oh yea!


Just a couple more next post.
GR

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GR