New School Organics with Professor Matt "Veganics" Rize

karri0n said:

The idea of the two ladies that sing to the plants every day is pretty cool - if I were able to be a full time grower, I might try to do something like that with energy work.

On a similar note, I'm of the opinion that something like that, with people singing in person, as opposed to a radio playing, would be far more beneficial

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AGREED. When I play music it is usually for me, I figure: If the music affects my energy (which is most certainly does), then my energy will in turn affect the plants energy. Right? Kinda like how a paranoid grower's herb makes people paranoid when they smoke it.

I used to be on this chanting OHM daily in the garden thing. If it didn't help the plants, it at least helped me.

Oh yeah, that bring me to transplanting and humming. Back in the day, when I was running a pretty strict old school routine, I used to touch the roots when transplanting to help free them up from the root ball. Now I do channeled chant at the roots to help free them up with my energy and vibes. New school? doesn't really matter. Hippy energy manipulations, mos def.

Yeah, I definitely wouldn't touch the roots and gunk them up with my nasty human grease.

New school growing is CGE.
Organics arent really going to change. The plant likes what it likes. New school organics would be. enzymes, microbes, bacteria. etc. Its all about marketing.
What is gonna change? bat shit ? Its more of new ideas and experiments. They leave that up to you.
Just get a good recipe. copy it if you have to.
I like to get im simple and just use Sunshine mix and advanced nutes for da base mon.
New school is chemicals. Organics is old school. They never change, yet never seem to be the same.
Just make sure you add alot of perlite to your mix.

mr.smileyface said:

New school growing is CGE.
Organics arent really going to change. The plant likes what it likes. New school organics would be. enzymes, microbes, bacteria. etc. Its all about marketing.
What is gonna change? bat shit ? Its more of new ideas and experiments. They leave that up to you.
Just get a good recipe. copy it if you have to.
I like to get im simple and just use Sunshine mix and advanced nutes for da base mon.
New school is chemicals. Organics is old school. They never change, yet never seem to be the same.
Just make sure you add alot of perlite to your mix.

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I respect your opinion. Fact is that the organic Cannabis nutrient market is changing, and organics means much more than slow release and teas, although that is the ground floor of the organic temple. I despise both perlite and AN personally, but to each his own.

Have you heard about this product called Mayan Microzyme from HN? Pretty cool tea starter, as far as store bought products go.
Or have you looked at the Bio Canna line? They are making organic foods based off of plant extracts without the bat shit (as you joked).

And YES, a large part of what I mean by new school organics are the enzymes and microbes. Products like hygrozyme (anyone know whats in this stuff?), soluble microbes like myco madness and the AN inoculants, other hormone products like BioBoost. And of course, I will mention the growing trend for "vegan" organic nutrients.

Your posts have a lot of topics interesting to me, but little substance. It'd be great to see a specific feeding program, other than the 1 canna regimen you posted, pura vida? or maybe go into detail about what constituents are necessary for a veganic grow.

A topic I havn't seen on here before the first page of this thread is Bio dynamic. This would be very interesting, as there seems to be a lot of waste, with indoors anyways. It'd be very interesting to create some kind of indoor bio dynamic process, if possible.

You seem to be very educated, but somehow your topics lack complete thoughts. Please don't be insulted, as I am interested in what you have to teach.

Any readers having success with hydro organics?

can you go into detail what hygrozyme is about? i've heard great things, and did very little research. Its a root cleaner? I don't understand how that is beneficial outside of hydro, please explain.

GFOYLE said:

Your posts have a lot of topics interesting to me, but little substance. It'd be great to see a specific feeding program, other than the 1 canna regimen you posted, pura vida? or maybe go into detail about what constituents are necessary for a veganic grow.

A topic I havn't seen on here before the first page of this thread is Bio dynamic. This would be very interesting, as there seems to be a lot of waste, with indoors anyways. It'd be very interesting to create some kind of indoor bio dynamic process, if possible.

You seem to be very educated, but somehow your topics lack complete thoughts. Please don't be insulted, as I am interested in what you have to teach.

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Thanks bro! Check out my thread on vegan organics, it is in my signature

I just started this thread 12 hours ago, most of that was sleeping. Give me a couple days to lay out some ideas. I'm also very welcoming to hear more ideas that you would consider "new school" topics. Peas

isn't ammonia build up the largest opposing force to recirculating organic hydro? An automated irrigation system would be great, but so far the only set up that seems to make sense is top feed drain to waste. And without a pump and RO system, that seems like a lot of wasted water, what do you think?

Matt Rize said:

Any readers having success with hydro organics?

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yes! i've been using fox farm products in my drip system with good results. so much so that i set up another bucket and have since begun another seed. i also use whatever i have left of earth juice bloom every now and then.

One idea i'd like to discuss is other 12 hour photoperiod fruits/veggies to grow alongside the herb. Kale and strawberries are the two most popular I have found. Anyone have experience with this? I know kale grows relatively short, and imagine it not needing as much light as cannabis, so hopefully it wouldnt compete for canopy space..

GFOYLE said:

Your posts have a lot of topics interesting to me, but little substance. It'd be great to see a specific feeding program, other than the 1 canna regimen you posted, pura vida? or maybe go into detail about what constituents are necessary for a veganic grow.

A topic I havn't seen on here before the first page of this thread is Bio dynamic. This would be very interesting, as there seems to be a lot of waste, with indoors anyways. It'd be very interesting to create some kind of indoor bio dynamic process, if possible.

You seem to be very educated, but somehow your topics lack complete thoughts. Please don't be insulted, as I am interested in what you have to teach.

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In his other thread, I posted a bit of info on biodynamic(now more commonly known as biointensive) growing. Other than utilizing natural composting techniques, though, I'm not sure how well intensive methods could be translated to indoors. A big paramount to biodynamic/biointensive gfarming is biodiversity and companion planting, and in our indoor setups, this would mean space and light in the grow room that could be used for cannabis would be going to the other plants you are using to form the complete ecosystem. or many this is not a sacrifice that can be made practically.

GFOYLE said:

One idea i'd like to discuss is other 12 hour photoperiod fruits/veggies to grow alongside the herb. Kale and strawberries are the two most popular I have found. Anyone have experience with this? I know kale grows relatively short, and imagine it not needing as much light as cannabis, so hopefully it wouldnt compete for canopy space..

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I've grown soybeans and green beans in the same beds as my cannabis plants, as these naturally fix nitrogen into the soil. My next experiment is going to be growing beans that climb/grow on poles, so that they will attach to the cannabis and perform a very sloooow LST process while still affixing nitrogen into the soil. This is big for me as I grow outdoor and could use the camo around my plants. The bush variety don't get tall enough to provide any significant amount of camo at all.

Another idea I've played around with is planting garlic into the beds, since garlic will act as a systemic pesticide for any crop you grow it with.


Obviously I grow outdoor, but I would be quite interested if someone tried growing beans with their indoor crop. I'd imagine garlic as a pesticide really isn't needed in these cases.


edit: I dug up a thread that I made sometime around three thousand years ago about this very subject, for your reading pleasure.

https://www.rollitup.org/organics/87218-organic-companion-planting.html

interesting, thank you for the food for thought. Pesticide or not, I can't get enough garlic. When i've got more room, i just might give that a try.

My crew is into Azospirillum, a bacteria that fixes nitrogen out of the air. Anyone heard about this specie?

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/microbiology/2667

"Nitrogen fixation is not the major benefit Azospirillum can give to plants. When Azospirillum are placed on the roots of plants they have the ablity to increase the numbers of root hairs (from Iowa State University) on each root. These root hairs are important in helping the plant get water from the soil. This benefit the plant derives from its association with Azospirillum helps the plants do better in drier places.

Another benefit the plant gets from associating with Azospirillum is that the bacteria produce plant growth factors (auxins) that cause the plant to produce more roots. The better the root system, the stronger the plant. Stronger plants produce more food. The plants given Azospirillum are also as productive as heavily fertilized plants that do not have the Azospirillum added."

http://www.steephilllab.com/industryreport/sept-oct-2010.pdf

This is some very interesting info from Steep Hill Lab about the state of California Cannabis. I'll call this part of the new school movement too.

GFOYLE said:

isn't ammonia build up the largest opposing force to recirculating organic hydro? An automated irrigation system would be great, but so far the only set up that seems to make sense is top feed drain to waste. And without a pump and RO system, that seems like a lot of wasted water, what do you think?

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Nitrogen fixers like in Mayan Microzyme can use ammonia as an energy source.

GFOYLE said:

A topic I havn't seen on here before the first page of this thread is Bio dynamic. This would be very interesting, as there seems to be a lot of waste, with indoors anyways. It'd be very interesting to create some kind of indoor bio dynamic process, if possible.

You seem to be very educated, but somehow your topics lack complete thoughts. Please don't be insulted, as I am interested in what you have to teach.

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Hey thanks for the feedback, I'm just throwing this thread together between trimming sessions. The general consensus is that I should do more prep work before starting my threads. Sorry everyone. This thread is really just my sub-forum for new school organic growers because we represent a large portion of the organic community. I want to officially expand the definition of organics to include both the new and old schools, SAME TEAM. Feel free to take any of these ideas and form a new thread, that is my goal. I promise to sit down and put some complete thoughts with these ideas as soon as I have time...maybe not until after fall harvest

The topics I've listed are all interesting to me, and stuff I've been working with or researching. PEAS

Alright, I gotta give you something good because I hastily threw this thread up not looking at the calendar. You guys know what time it is! I consider new school trimming part of the mix.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YLpIQ-K6fw

16 seconds: the immortal words of Homer "chop chop dig dig".

Trimming with Prof Rize: Chapter One

I want to tell you some of the tricks that I have picked up or invented over the past decade. Recently, I have been fortunate enough to have worked with one of the elite (hot women) trim crews in the county. This is all these women do, it's kinda crazy. I was also a bud-tender at one of the top dispensaries in the county, so I can claim to have had legit professional experience. And I get paid to teach about this shit....but none of that matters to some of you and I respect that. The real deal is that for a decade I have attempted to not pay trimmers, while working full-time. So I got fast out of need. And I'll mention that I am a chef, evaluated as "a cooking machine", so I treat my scissors with a religious reverence like the rest of my steel.

Article A - Spring Loaded Scissors:

I'll start with my current set up. I buy two Hydrofarm scissors ($11 ea) and two Fiskars springs (free?). The fiskar springs are thinner and less work load. The more beat the spring the better, which just adds another level of religious antiquity worship to the mix, like your favorite old t-shirt. Then I cut one or two rings out of the spring, so I have two slightly different scissors, which is a nice change up in the long run (repetitive stress city in trim county). You will have to twist the cut end smaller so it seats correctly on the scissor. This further reduces the work load. I very gently loosen the screw that holds the two blades together. Then I keep an emulsification of iso and oil for cleaning/lube along the way. LIKE BUDDA BABY.

post edit: i like the fiskars for big leafing and other stuff in general, but use this set up for long trim days. and switching between types of scissors is best for repetitive stress.

I consider prayer/worship part of new school organics. This link features the newest addition to chalice evolution. Blazing veganic Blackberry Kush flowers and bubble!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C8-tMEk6T4

Below are my collection of new school chalices. The three chalice parts are named: The Cutchie, The Pear, & The Straw. I forgot a pict of the new chalice so I linked that video.

If you listen to dancehall or one-drop you may be well familiar with the rastaman's obsession with his chalice. I won't post a bunch of youtube chalice songs, but there are many.

The chalice is my main form of worship. Rasta Ital Holy Cup Updated, Organic and new school.

The latest version is glass on glass, so no more dutty grommets. And the gauges are the same size, so the bubbling is completely controlled and you can carefully smoke without pulling the ash through. The straw has a built in grip, and the parts are all interchangeable/replaceable. This detachable water pipe was created because we change the water between EVERY HIT. And it's all in the Rasta canna-religious theme. Bongs get nasty, even for OCD smokers like me. Same with bubblers. These are cheap, did I mention that? 45 to 60 bucks depending on upgrades. Chalice's come apart and get rinsed between tokes. They can also be easily cleaned on the inside, I can fit my fingers insider her.

Uh...if you have one of these, then I most likely know where you live...dun dun dun...

For more details check out my thread just on CHALICE EVOLUTION

https://www.rollitup.org/medicating/370681-chalice-evolution-professor-matt-veganics.html