NEW Closet Set Up for L.E.D. Stealth Grow

oOBe RyeOo said:

" There's no more plants there anyway, they got ripped after the flyby, but don't underestimate the depravity of law enforcement, children."

If you can understand punctuation you might be able to read it better. Reads as, " There's no more plants there anyway, they got ripped after the flyby, but don't underestimate the depravity of law enforcement, (pause) children"

If he wanted to make it read as "and" he would have put "and".

You are the one arguing, I'm just merely stating the facts and maybe you'll learn from them.

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The original poster was intending to say that children are included in the depravity of law enrocement and the levels they will stoop to. You are being too literal and not taking the post as a whole in context but merely choosing to make a mountain out of a molehill. There are many gramatical mistakes on this website as many people are under the influence of marijuana when they post.

Whether you are right or not, you are being a pest in your continued posting about a matter the thread author has asked you to cease commenting about.

Hey Serapis, do you have a link that shows the spec on the lights you got? I have seens some that say 60 degree "lens" but then upon further questioning, it was the angle of the glass on the fixture, not the LED's themselves. This caused me to be very cautious of sellers on ebay. I only know of one seller that has 60 degree led's, but would like to learn of another if you have found one!

I'll say it out loud, cause I respect their business, HTG Supply. The panels on the back were bought discount from a warehouse in packs of four. The overheads are from HTG. I've also heard of a 3w per LED seller, but I hear the 1w is far more efficient. 3w's maybe the next new thing, but not on my first LED grow. I wanted something that I know works.

Serapis said:

I'll say it out loud, cause I respect their business, HTG Supply. The panels on the back were bought discount from a warehouse in packs of four. The overheads are from HTG. I've also heard of a 3w per LED seller, but I hear the 1w is far more efficient. 3w's maybe the next new thing, but not on my first LED grow. I wanted something that I know works.

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Do you have a link to the light? I will also check HTG website....

Serapis said:

I'll say it out loud, cause I respect their business, HTG Supply. The panels on the back were bought discount from a warehouse in packs of four. The overheads are from HTG. I've also heard of a 3w per LED seller, but I hear the 1w is far more efficient. 3w's maybe the next new thing, but not on my first LED grow. I wanted something that I know works.

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http://www.htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=53987

I looked at this light, but saw nothing about 60 degree angle for the LED's. Do you have a different light?

luckyskindaguy said:

Do you have a link to the light? I will also check HTG website....

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Here ya go.... http://cgi.ebay.com/120-watt-LED-GR...ltDomain_0&hash=item1c0c97ee7b#ht_9110wt_1137

"The 1 watt LED use wide angle directional bulbs for a wide area of coverage"

This actually makes me think it is the "Standard" 120 degree LED

luckyskindaguy said:

"The 1 watt LED use wide angle directional bulbs for a wide area of coverage"

This actually makes me think it is the "Standard" 120 degree LED

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Send the seller a question. I heard back from a Paul, I believe was the name, and he assured me it wasn't, hence the $499 price tag. I, of course did not pay retail, he throws one unit up for auction each week and I made out great, getting 2 for that price.

Next time I fire them up, I'll see if I can't determine the down angle with my speed square.

Serapis said:

Send the seller a question. I heard back from a Paul, I believe was the name, and he assured me it wasn't, hence the $499 price tag. I, of course did not pay retail, he throws one unit up for auction each week and I made out great, getting 2 for that price.

Next time I fire them up, I'll see if I can't determine the down angle with my speed square.

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I hope you got the one you were hoping for! Not sure why they use the term "wide angle" if they have 60 degree though... I too have been looking for a "less than retail" unit that has the 60 degrees in it, but my search has come up empty so far

The last light arrived today and it is now installed.

A quick word about LED lighting. I see a lot of comparisons around that try to compare certain LED units to HID lamps. For instance, these two have been compared to as 600w by marketers. They use fancy formulas and try use values like lumen, watt, dissipation, etc. You can skip past all of the hoopla, what does matter is that these LED lights and panels put off ONLY the wavelengths used by plants for photosynthesis A & B and 3rd band for blends. That is why it is hard to compare what they can do against their HID counterparts; which produce a lot of light that is wasted at the expense of added heat and a much higher power bill. I have nearly 360w of usable light! It's possible to get by with less, but I want to see some results.

My overheads are 120w each of pure light that the plants can use. The back panels total 112 watts. I'm not a lighting expert by any means. I consider these lights an investment that will keep paying me back. I'd like to do a scrog on my first LED grow, but I'm concerned about what if's in case I have to remove a hermy. I may do it anyway. For a net I'm going to suspend a Christmas net light set of green bulbs from springs hooked to the walls. I'll scrog with the net and plug it in if I need light in my flower room during "lights out".

I changed the wiring just a bit, I can now turn off the upper back lighting for when I'm starting a new cycle of little gals that don't reach that high yet.

LIFE Update

The seedlings are looking great. I'm actually using a bit of a wick system to water them. I have a bed of pebbles in the bottom of the plant tray. The cups with drain holes are resting on top. I add water to about 1/2" above the rocks and the cups can absorb water from the bottom. I'm doing this to establish deep roots quickly. I also fed them Big Bloom two days ago the same way. Big Bloom was watered down to about half recommended strength.

I'll post 1 week old pics this weekend. The Bubbleicious feminized seeds were placed in peat pellet pellets just 5 days ago. The seedlings are already germinated and the peat pellets planted into an amended soil of MG, Perlite and worm castings, in 9 oz Solo cups. I used small cups to allow the roots to find water near bottom and stretch. The cup allows about a 4" tap root before these will be transplanted into larger containers.

The pictures depict my set up for a Sea of Green grow, however since I'm just getting started with 5 seeds, of which only 4 germed, I will be scrogging for a bigger yield. The best looking scrogger will have some cuttings removed to clone. I want to use the SOG method, but I'm also concerned about plant count. This closet should easily allow scrogging of three healthy females in 3 gallon pots each. If the LEDs work as I've seen them do, we'll have a lot of bud to harvest in the upper room, as the nursery below is vegging the next potential flowers.

Sorry for the long write up, I'm excited. We have 4 great looking seedlings with purple stems and nice luscious green tops. The plants are about 2 and 1/2" tall and are on 24 hour lights, which are 4 x 4' 65000k cool white Plus fluorescents. I had 41000k bulbs originally, but they looked like they were warm even though it said cool.... it seemed reddish to me.

I'll be switching to 20/4 light cycle after first week after hardening the seedlings to encourage some node stretching. LOL.... Not to worry, we want these to stretch a bit for scrogging. This will also make watering and feeding easier than SOG soil set up.

Comments, questions, suggestions are welcome. Please don't use this thread to denounce LED lighting or stir up debates. Just sub the thread, kick back and watch what these lights do.


In the pictures you'll see I used cheap dog choker chains suspended from swiveling swag hooks. Swiveling swag is key. It allows easy adjustment of lights to get them aligned quickly.

hey man i was trying to follow ur thread but i couldnt find it for awhile, i didnt bother to read all of this other stuff as it got into some shit i didnt care about lol but no this is a decent op u got going, simple yet thorough, i have a question tho:

how much did all of those panels cost you? i purchased one panel cuz i thought i was moving into an appartment and figured what the hell, what attracted me was the low watts and heat, i got a 45 LED grow panel that runs 45 watts, what do u think i can grow with this as a little project? should i use it for my autogrowers? i am using a 400watt MH neutral bulb and hanging ballast right now for my mother plant and 7 other 4 week old ones, but im just curious as to exactly how powerful this little grow panel is? cuz to me in this case uve gone the extra way

i havent started cloneing but i bot some cubes, gel, and a humidity dome/tray i have that grow panel, 2 26watt 6400k coil bulb sunblasters, 2 24 inch t5 tubes, and that 400watt metal halide ballast with a neutral bulb and i purchased a warm bulb i had thot to bud, what should i use for what exactly?:

like i cud use the tubes under the 400MH aswell
i could use the panel for clones or aswell as the tubes, or just the tubes
the coil bulbs i dono what to use for really ive just set them overtop of each one of my autogrowers to get it going
or i could use just the panel for autogrowers
or i could use the MH for autogrowers
u get the point, i like things to be very specific i am always reading alot threads and asking questions
as i still havent completed my first grow (mother has bin growing for 7 months, the others are seeds, again i havent started cloneing yet)

im going to get fucking high now im all into this too much lol long night peace and love

GibbsIt89 said:

hey man i was trying to follow ur thread but i couldnt find it for awhile, i didnt bother to read all of this other stuff as it got into some shit i didnt care about lol but no this is a decent op u got going, simple yet thorough, i have a question tho:

how much did all of those panels cost you? i purchased one panel cuz i thought i was moving into an appartment and figured what the hell, what attracted me was the low watts and heat, i got a 45 LED grow panel that runs 45 watts, what do u think i can grow with this as a little project? should i use it for my autogrowers? i am using a 400watt MH neutral bulb and hanging ballast right now for my mother plant and 7 other 4 week old ones, but im just curious as to exactly how powerful this little grow panel is? cuz to me in this case uve gone the extra way

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The total cost of the panels was cheaper than retail, because I used eBay auctions rather than "Buy it Now". Had I purchased outside of auction, the panels and the overheads would have cost $1300. Using auctions and patience (and in one case a last second snipe), I was able to procure these lights for $750.

If your 45w is a true 45w panel that has 45 1w LEDs, I would compare it to about a 150w lamp. Not knowing though, I would experiment with it. It needs to be no higher than 12" above the plant or plants and the lightprint is probably 1.5' x 1.5' (sorry, I don't do metrics yet) at the most. I may have gone overboard and maybe the side panels are excessive, but my goal is to use LEDS to turn out some serious bud with a one time investment. If this setup scrogs well, that $750 will be chump change in no time. We pay $350 a oz here for good grade bud. I have been diagnosed with acute anxiety disorder and I refuse to take psycho-active prescribed drugs that alter my brain waves. I get a calm smooth relaxing effect from smoking. This closet is a response to an event. My dealer quit dealing, out of the blue. He got religion and left everyone he had supplied for years hanging. I have no other connections and a friend who knows of my condition spent 3 weeks trying to find me some good bud. That is why I'm growing.

GibbsIt89 said:

i havent started cloneing but i bot some cubes, gel, and a humidity dome/tray i have that grow panel, 2 26watt 6400k coil bulb sunblasters, 2 24 inch t5 tubes, and that 400watt metal halide ballast with a neutral bulb and i purchased a warm bulb i had thot to bud, what should i use for what exactly?:

like i cud use the tubes under the 400MH aswell
i could use the panel for clones or aswell as the tubes, or just the tubes
the coil bulbs i dono what to use for really ive just set them overtop of each one of my autogrowers to get it going
or i could use just the panel for autogrowers
or i could use the MH for autogrowers
u get the point, i like things to be very specific i am always reading alot threads and asking questions
as i still havent completed my first grow (mother has bin growing for 7 months, the others are seeds, again i havent started cloneing yet)

im going to get fucking high now im all into this too much lol long night peace and love

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Why not set up a closet to something similar that I have? Use your flouros and cfls on the top (or bottom, it's a preference thing) shelf as a nursery for cuttings, seedlings and early veging and your 400 for flowering. Panda poly makes for a great divider and makes an awesome curtain.

Just experiment. If you create journals here, you can document your steps and results and determine what works best for you.

There is no right or wrong answer. It's a weed and it will grow without a lot of fuss. The fun comes from trying to yield as much as you can squeeze out of the plant.

DO you have a ppm and PH meter for this grow? I would recommend those things for sure (digital is better). PH leads to most issues with plant health. Other than that.....subbed and ready to see what this setup can do! Hope you can get a good bud connect for the 3 months prior to harvest though

luckyskindaguy said:

DO you have a ppm and PH meter for this grow? I would recommend those things for sure (digital is better). PH leads to most issues with plant health. Other than that.....subbed and ready to see what this setup can do! Hope you can get a good bud connect for the 3 months prior to harvest though

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I'm smoking brown dirt weed which sucks, but it relaxes me. I have a analog PH meter.

what about the grow panel, should i just throw that in a box and experiment with it or should i use that with the clones/etc.. and i dont know about that, the MH does really well for veg for me.. i was going to get a second ballast and put the warm bulb in it, then id have a big veg area, a big flowering area, and lots of light for clones, seedlings with the coil,tubes, and panel if needed.

ouch, i hate that kind of weed, id rather cut a branch of my baby and throw it in a pot lol.. (couldnt do that to her) but no THANX for the help, just trying to perfect things lol i live in ontario canada and when i was choping amazing purple kush from BC (was flown in) it was about $1000 a qp i mean u cud get some kush for $850-900 but it wasnt compared to this shit, so i was selling ounces for about $320 ya, but now its everywhere, everyone smokes or sells here its intense lol, so sorry to hear about ur luck, i think its about $240 now tho for an ounce here of some good kush, i can still sell it to some ppl for $300 tho so depends who u kno right.

another question, what would b better for an autogrower at a week and a half old from hatch: my MH setup at 14 or so inches under the bulb or under the 45 LED panel at like 3 inches?

also, my warm 400watt MH bulb says 3200 k and as an example i hear for CFL's i should have 6400k for veg and 2700k for bud. so is this too much "k" (what ever that even exactly is, im new) for budding?

what is a hortilux bulb, conversion bulb for MH w/e blah blah blah..?

GibbsIt89 said:

what is a hortilux bulb, conversion bulb for MH w/e blah blah blah..?

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C'mon now dude, 3 posts in a row full of questions? Most of them not related to my grow. I apologize dude, but I'll answer questions related to what I'm doing, but not what you are doing. That is what Create thread is for.