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Thanks I'll try that
Need some advice is my plant doomed
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hotrodharley
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Listen to Michael.
Beachwalker
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^ Two things are possible at once. He's not checking the pH so he could very likely have a lockout, and he's also not feeding them correctly.
1) Always pH everything you feed a plant
2) learn how to properly feed your plant by reading the basics at ilgm.com or growweedeasy.com Etc
3) stop over-watering. learn to water when the plant feels light / dry when you lift it up
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XxCashedxOutxX
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too much phosphorus not enough nitrogen.
Monster Gardens
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However, microbes do not. Microbes being one of the greatest buffers for a beginner, especially in soil (and potentially crap soil at that).
Michael Huntherz
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No amount of biological “buffers” are going to fix a lack of available nitrogen, but I take your point. I think the OP, in this case, needs to reach for lower hanging fruit, like available nitrogen, lol.
Stink Bug
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FF Big Bloom is a bottle of watered down nothing. They need a more complete and robust nutrient.
https://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilizers/FertDB/prodinfo.aspx?pname=8994
JackStraw74
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You are not even close to screwed... I have had much worse issues and in the end still had a good quality harvest.. Obviously would be better without issues, but not like the crop was ruined.
First and foremost, ditch the Fox Farm if at all possible... I have had nothing but issues with the OF soil and any combo of the bottled nutes... Tried a few variations... My best results so far with their stuff is the new line of Strawberry Fields, that one actually seems to be ok so far, granted I am early on in flower. But doing everything else the same and not seeing anywhere near the issues I have with the Ocean Forest...
Alright I appreciate it I'll look into the strawberry fields stuff as soon as I can afford to buy more things to improve my setup
Monster Gardens
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And if the microbes could free up available organic nitrogen in the soil?
Michael Huntherz
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I understand the nitrogen cycle somewhat well, specifically in freshwater rather than soil, but I am not the one growing that plant. I appreciate your attempt to blow my mind, try harder.
It takes some time to get your soil biome in order, I was offering dude a bandaid for the meantime.
Monster Gardens
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Not aiming to impress or please, just enjoy splitting hairs with you : )I understand the nitrogen cycle somewhat well, specifically in freshwater rather than soil, but I am not the one growing that plant. I appreciate your attempt to blow my mind, try harder.
It takes some time to get your soil biome in order, I was offering dude a bandaid for the meantime.
Thegermling
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I would check youre runoff ppm/ec before even feeding it what you think it needs. It could be a lockout. Adding what you think it needs could make it worse (more buildup). Just sayin. I looked at your leaves tips and some are yellow and some show clear burnt tips. I dont know if that damage was done before but right now it tells me LOCKOUT (nutrient buildup). Check your runoff man.
Alright I'll make some more holes in the bottom and give it water without nutrients first And see how that goes and then if no improvement I'm going to give it some mega crop and hopefully it won't die on me. And my next plant I will DEFINITELY make sure I'm checking the pH I appreciate all the help
Whats the NPK on you bloom bottle OP.
Excess pk will do what you see. (which it looks like to me)
So will a low ph in your soil. (which it looks like to me)
So will over watered, damp soggy soil. (how good is your drainage and aeration?)
What is your watering routine?
How many times in a week are you watering?
How much runoff are you getting each time.
Very important to tell the thread your npk%
Any supplements?
What is the ph, and ppm of your water source?
Take a soil sample, and test your ph with a soil kit. First and foremost.
Next watering, give it a great big drink of plain water. Until you have plenty of runoff.
Then dry it right out.
Then big drink of plain water again.
Once it dries again, id give it a light balanced feeding.
You're out of balance.
I dont think some microbes will hurt.
I dont think some nitrogen will hurt either.
But give it a drink of plain water first.
Then dry it right out.
There are different types of nitrogen.
For instance Ammonium (a form of nitrogen) makes your ph fall. Wet soil generally has higher levels of ammonium.
Excess pk locks out calcium, magnesium, iron, potassium, zinc, and a few others.
The problem here is.
If your soil is high in PK, and low in Nitrates. Your soil will likely have a low ph, and be high in Ammonium (urea) instead of other Nitrates.
PK becomes really quite unavailable below a ph of about 6.
So if your soil has a low ph, more ammonium, and high levels of PK, then you're basically gonna lockout on almost every nutrient there is.
The more drainage and aeration you have the better. It needs to dry so the ph can rise. Also to decrease ammonium, and increase PK absorption. Because the extra PK in a low ph, damp soil is whats causing your issues imho.
In my opinion moving forward.
Plain water. Flush it a little.
Dry it right out.
Plain water again.
Dry it right out again.
By which time it should be a lot greener.
Then start a light feeding of a balanced fertilizer, until its recovered.
Work your plants on a wet/dry cycle. So the ph swings, and isnt always low.
It needs a good rinse, and dry. Plus a different NPK ratio.
Dont water too often.
Dont feed too much.
Always have plenty of aeration and drainage.
Good luck OP.
Ps.
Ph'ing your water has almost no effect on soil ph.
You can test this yourself.
Get a soil test kit, and some distilled water. Take 2 samples of the same soil (say a soil with a ph of 6).
Mix up two different batches of distilled water. One with a ph7, and one at ph5.
Then use each on their own sample.
Then come back 30 minutes later, and test the two samples. I guarantee each sample will be extremely close to one another.
Its the soil that affects your ph, not H2O.
Its what the water contains, that can affect your soils PH.
Plain unadjusted water is perfectly fine for soil.
Also what ph down are you using?
Because a lot contain phosphoric acid (from phosphorus)
Some contain citric acid (contained in citrus)
My point is. All youre doing is adding acid to an acidic soil.
Excess pk will do what you see. (which it looks like to me)
So will a low ph in your soil. (which it looks like to me)
So will over watered, damp soggy soil. (how good is your drainage and aeration?)
What is your watering routine?
How many times in a week are you watering?
How much runoff are you getting each time.
Very important to tell the thread your npk%
Any supplements?
What is the ph, and ppm of your water source?
Take a soil sample, and test your ph with a soil kit. First and foremost.
Next watering, give it a great big drink of plain water. Until you have plenty of runoff.
Then dry it right out.
Then big drink of plain water again.
Once it dries again, id give it a light balanced feeding.
You're out of balance.
I dont think some microbes will hurt.
I dont think some nitrogen will hurt either.
But give it a drink of plain water first.
Then dry it right out.
There are different types of nitrogen.
For instance Ammonium (a form of nitrogen) makes your ph fall. Wet soil generally has higher levels of ammonium.
Excess pk locks out calcium, magnesium, iron, potassium, zinc, and a few others.
The problem here is.
If your soil is high in PK, and low in Nitrates. Your soil will likely have a low ph, and be high in Ammonium (urea) instead of other Nitrates.
PK becomes really quite unavailable below a ph of about 6.
So if your soil has a low ph, more ammonium, and high levels of PK, then you're basically gonna lockout on almost every nutrient there is.
The more drainage and aeration you have the better. It needs to dry so the ph can rise. Also to decrease ammonium, and increase PK absorption. Because the extra PK in a low ph, damp soil is whats causing your issues imho.
In my opinion moving forward.
Plain water. Flush it a little.
Dry it right out.
Plain water again.
Dry it right out again.
By which time it should be a lot greener.
Then start a light feeding of a balanced fertilizer, until its recovered.
Work your plants on a wet/dry cycle. So the ph swings, and isnt always low.
It needs a good rinse, and dry. Plus a different NPK ratio.
Dont water too often.
Dont feed too much.
Always have plenty of aeration and drainage.
Good luck OP.
Ps.
Ph'ing your water has almost no effect on soil ph.
You can test this yourself.
Get a soil test kit, and some distilled water. Take 2 samples of the same soil (say a soil with a ph of 6).
Mix up two different batches of distilled water. One with a ph7, and one at ph5.
Then use each on their own sample.
Then come back 30 minutes later, and test the two samples. I guarantee each sample will be extremely close to one another.
Its the soil that affects your ph, not H2O.
Its what the water contains, that can affect your soils PH.
Plain unadjusted water is perfectly fine for soil.
Also what ph down are you using?
Because a lot contain phosphoric acid (from phosphorus)
Some contain citric acid (contained in citrus)
My point is. All youre doing is adding acid to an acidic soil.
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I<3Cannabis
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microbes don't like chlorine but I guess that's more of an issue in coco because you have to add your own microbes
Michael Huntherz
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Yeah, and you are correct, but we covered that ground already. I run a little chlorine in my dripper reservoirs for soil and hydro in both coco and rockwool, doesn’t seem to make a shitting bit of difference except I don’t get nasty bacteria growth in the res. It largely oxidizes out before it hits the dirt/media.
Stink Bug
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Again your plant is starving. You think you have been feeding it but you havent. FF Big Bloom is basically a bottle of brown water.
https://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilizers/FertDB/prodinfo.aspx?pname=8920