Need advice on dealing with damping off

jin420

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Lately I've been dealing with a big damping off problem with my seedlings. I don't know if it's something in the air because I never had this much trouble before. I have some ideas about dealing with this and was wondering if I could get some help with some of the particulars. First will cinnamon burn the taproot and the new root system of a seedling? I heard it was a good fungicide and was wanting to sprinkle it on the rockwool cubes and coat the seeds with it. Secondly how much should a "properly damp" 1" rockwool cube weigh? I read a post on here where Al B. Fuct said that a 1.5" cube weighs 5g dry and should be 25-30g when properly damp. https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/15030-batch-clones-rockwool.html I'm assuming after reading what he said a rockwool cube should weigh 5X it's dry weight when "properly damp". Does that sound right? I'm watering with chamomile tea this time around and have some Companion fungicide on the way. Thanks for any help
 

jin420

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I assume you use a humidome? If so how long do you leave it on?
No I don't use a dome that'd make my fungal issues even worse. I've never used for seedlings or even cuttings I live on the gulf coast the air around here is humid enough already. I pre-soak seeds for 12-24hrs usually in a cup of water with 1.5ml of h2o2 then transfer straight to rockwool cubes. I'm pre-soaking in chamomile tea this time to see if it's better. Used to use the seed towel method but I had a high rate of fungal attacks with it and switched to rockwool cubes.
 

jin420

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I'm using a temperature controlled heat mat as well and have it set at 82F. A small fan blows slightly into the area where they are to keep the air from becoming stagnant.
 

MYOB

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Guess I'm on my own here sorry to bother you guys it won't happen again.
Yay! A pity party!!

Stop watering them with tea. Stop with the cinnamon. Stop with the heat mat. Are you growing hydro? If not then stop with the rockwool.

I bet you're just keeping them too wet.
 

jin420

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Yay! A pity party!! Stop watering them with tea. Stop with the cinnamon. Stop with the heat mat. Are you growing hydro? If not then stop with the rockwool. I bet you're just keeping them too wet.
I deserved that didn't mean to whine but I've been out of smoke since january and the tension has been getting to me lately. I also lost over 150 seedlings to damping off recently so I've been on edge so sorry about getting a little cranky there. Luckily my last batch of seeds for this strain came out to 500+ so I'm still good but it was still painful to watch my babies die. For starters yes I'm growing in top drip hydroponic systems. I watered the cubes just like I've done hundreds of times over the last decade. Never had these problems before so I was pretty pissed. I'm using a triple poise scale to measure water weight now. It's a very accurate scale for measuring gunpowder charges and I'm shooting for a water weight 4-5x a dry cubes weight.
 

mrblu

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you are doing something terribly wrong if you have lost 150 seedlings. use a little h202 when germinating your seeds and planting with your water. keep air circulating keep the temps right dont add anything else to the water and then after that only water after about 5 or 6 days after you see the sprout make sure everything dries up before watering again. also check the PH of your water. are you sure its dampening off? do they not sprout or does the stem get really small at the bottom and cause it to fall over? or do they just stretch out and fall over?
 

jin420

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I ditched the cinnamon idea but the chamomile tea seems to be working out great so far. I have 20 new seedlings about to be transplanted and if they don't succumb to damping off I'll stick with the chamomile tea. I have some Companion fungicide and it'll be the nuclear option in caso something happens again.
 

jin420

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you are doing something terribly wrong if you have lost 150 seedlings. use a little h202 when germinating your seeds and planting with your water. keep air circulating keep the temps right dont add anything else to the water and then after that only water after about 5 or 6 days after you see the sprout make sure everything dries up before watering again. also check the PH of your water. are you sure its dampening off? do they not sprout or does the stem get really small at the bottom and cause it to fall over? or do they just stretch out and fall over?
Oh it was damping off for sure they sprouted grew about a inch and then fell over dead. They had the characteristic brown ring at the base and I could see the roots turning brown from pythium I believe. I actually did everything you talked about but this time I ditched the tray and am only doing 20 at a time. Only starting 20 at a time is allowing me to easily measure water content with my scale and they seem to be ok now
 

jin420

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And I was presoaking the seeds/cubes in a h2o2 mixture of 1ml-1cup. I then fed them with a solution half as strong as that. It may be the chamomile tea or ultra precise measuring(down to 1/10th a grain) I'm doing now but they're doing good so far. I'm transplanting them later today so we'll see how they do. Gonna run a light dose of Compaion fungicide through the drip system they'll be in for good measure.
 

jin420

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And the idea I got to use chamomile tea didn't come from nowhere. Google "chamomile tea for damping off" and you'll find site after site talking about it. It apparently works wonders for lot of people and my new seedlings are a inch tall and are showing no signs of disease so far.
 

mrblu

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yeah i have heard of people using it for many types of seeds to control it. hopefully you got it under control now and can worry about other things ;P
 

jin420

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yeah i have heard of people using it for many types of seeds to control it. hopefully you got it under control now and can worry about other things ;P
Thanks I hope so too because the carnage I had going on was downright depressing. They usually don't damp off once I tranplant them so I should know by tomorrow if they'll be ok. I'll let ya'll know how it goes once they take off.
 

jin420

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Well I'm happy to report that the damping off blight I had appears to be over for now(knock on wood)! Have had a few dozen children take to they're new homes in some drip systems just fine. They're all happy and standing at attention with no signs of rot at the bases of the stems. Don't know if it was the chamomile tea or ultra precision watering that made the biggest difference but I have this problem behind me for now and hopefully for good.:bigjoint:
 

kryptoniteglo

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Hey, I hear you on the damping off -- it's horrible. I grow only two plants at a time, but I lose 1/3 of my efforts to damping off in the seedling stage, and I've always ended up working with maturing plants that are week apart in age because I had to start one of my plants over again.

I'm going to try some of the things that seem to be working for you. I can't say this has "worked" for me because I don't have enough experience with it yet, but keeping the top of the rockwool cubes dry and a gentle air current around the sprout is supposed to help. After the initial soaking of the cube, I water from the bottom up and only let the water soak up about halfway. I think this also helps with root structure since the roots have to move downward to find the water.

Good luck! I'm going to check back here to see how it's working for you in case you post again.
 

jin420

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Try soaking the rockwool cubes in the chamomile tea overnight and make sure to dilute it to a pale gold color. I used a new batch of tea every day and didn't lose a single one to damping off. Make the tea with some clean bottled water if you can as well. Let me know if you have any questions bro I'll be glad to help you destroy those pythium bastards. And yeah I watered from the bottom of the cubes this last time around too. It's hard to say which change helped the most so I'm just gonna keep doing it like this from now on. Good luck
 

jin420

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Another thing I found helpful was to ditch the tray and set the cubes open on a paper plate on top of the heat mat. I used the wax coated paper plates too so they wouldn't get soggy. I had a small 3" mini fan positioned 2ft above the box blowing up at a angle above them to circulate the air. If you use a fan make sure it's pointing up and away from the cubes or they'll dry out too fast. Lastly I found out that it's a good idea to "fling" excess moisture out instead of squeezing the cubes. Cup the cubes in your hand gently and sharply fling your hand up and down to remove the excess moisture. It's best to do this in a bathroom where you can fling it into a shower or bathtub. Your hands should form a claw shape with the bottom of the cube facing outwards. Peace
 

Dr Kynes

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I deserved that didn't mean to whine but I've been out of smoke since january and the tension has been getting to me lately. I also lost over 150 seedlings to damping off recently so I've been on edge so sorry about getting a little cranky there. Luckily my last batch of seeds for this strain came out to 500+ so I'm still good but it was still painful to watch my babies die. For starters yes I'm growing in top drip hydroponic systems. I watered the cubes just like I've done hundreds of times over the last decade. Never had these problems before so I was pretty pissed. I'm using a triple poise scale to measure water weight now. It's a very accurate scale for measuring gunpowder charges and I'm shooting for a water weight 4-5x a dry cubes weight.
CLEAN YOUR AREA WITH BLEACH!

EVERYTHING AND EVERYWHERE!

any rockwool you have in stores, needs to spend an hour in the oven at 250 degrees, or get soaked in gin and allowed to dry, then rinsed with water ONLY immediately before use.

store your tools and supplies in a tightly sealed container with an OPEN jar of salt or sugar to reduce the moisture level. when the salt or sugar becomes sticky or clumpy you can dry it by baking it in the oven at ~150 degrees for a few hours or just replace it with fresh.

wash your tools with gin (even cheap shit is fine) before use and before returning them to storage.

keep your humidity LOW and keep the air moving.

install a blacklight (turn it off when your working in the propagation room to protect your eyes)

do not keep fruit, old soil, used implements, old pots, or any other potential source of spores in your propagation area, store that shit OUTSIDE IN THE SUN or clean it thoroughly with bleach or gin before storing it properly

if you have the space and the inclination, construct and maintain a worm farm, this will provide a bountiful supply of not only nutrient rich fertilizer, but a constant colony of beneficial organism which can be used (through the effluent) to inoculate your plants against the various fungal growths of Damping Off

note: gin has powerful and long lasting anti-fungal properties, even the cheap shit. it is also handy for cleaning forgotten thermoses found in the trunk of your car, smelly laundry hampers and tile grout stained with mildew. but if you use it on a plant that plant will die so do NOT apply gin to your plants or the growing media. if you use gin to sanitize your rockwool cubes, rinse them well before using them to sprout seeds as the gin's antifungal properties are also herbicidal. gin is however LESS dangerous to your plants than denatured or isopropyl alcohol which contains chemicals and compounds specifically designed to render the stuff toxic if drunk, to avoid the liquor tax. seriously. it really is just that retarded.
 
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