Natural Born Losers ....

ViRedd

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NATURAL-BORN LOSERS
by Ann Coulter
October 14, 2009

The question of whether President Obama should send more troops to Afghanistan misses the point.

What Obama really needs to do is: Invent a time machine, go back to the 2008 presidential campaign and not say, over and over and over again, that Afghanistan was a "war of necessity" while the war in Iraq was a "war of choice." (Oh, and as long as you're back there, ditch Van Jones, Valerie Jarrett and that gay "school safety" czar.)

The most important part of warfare is picking your battlefield, and President Bush picked Iraq for a reason.

Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan attacked us on 9/11 -- or the dozen other times American embassies, barracks and buildings came under jihadist onslaught since Jimmy Carter presided over "regime change" in Iran in 1979. Both countries -- and others -- gave succor to terrorists who had attacked the U.S. repeatedly, and would do so again.

As liberals endlessly reminded us during the three weeks of war in Afghanistan before the U.S. military swept into Kabul, Afghanistan has all the makings of a military disaster. It is mountainous, cave-pocked, tribal, has no resources worth fighting for and a populace that makes Khalid Sheikh Mohammed look like Alistair Cooke.

By contrast, Iraq had a relatively educated, pro-Western populace, but was ruled by a brutal third-world despot.

It's always something with the Muslims. You either have mostly sane people governed by a crazy dictator -- Iraq, Iran and Syria (also California and Michigan) -- or a crazy people governed by relatively sane leaders -- Pakistan and Afghanistan, post-U.S. invasion (also Vermont and Minnesota). There are also insane people ruled by insane leaders (but enough about the House Democratic Caucus). Sane people with sane rulers has not been fully tried yet.

Not only could regime change in Iraq work, but Iraq's countryside was susceptible to America's overwhelming air power. Also, Iraq has fabulous natural resources. Once the U.S. got control of Iraq's oil fields, the Shia, Sunni and Kurds could decide to either prosper together or starve together. (And it's not just oil: They're basically sitting on top of most of the world's proven reserves of cab drivers.)

By contrast, there aren't a lot of sticks that can be used in a wasteland like Afghanistan, where the people live in caves and scratch out a living in the dirt. The only "carrot" we might be able to offer them would be actual carrots.

But Democrats couldn't care less about military strategy -- at least any "strategy" that doesn't involve allowing soldiers to date one another. To the extent you can get liberals to focus on national security at all, you will find they are rooting against their own country.

Liberals sneered at Bush's description of Iraq as the "central front of the war on terror" and a step toward the "democratization of the Middle East" -- as Mark Danner did in the Sept. 11, 2005, New York Times -- because sneering was all they could do. By design, Iraq was the central front in the war on terrorism.

Any fanatic who hated the Great Satan, owned an overnight bag and was not already working for The New York Times was lured across the border into Iraq ... to be met by the awesome force of the U.S. military. Bush chose the battlefield that made the best flytrap for Islamic crazies and also that was most amenable to regime change.

Now nearly all denizens of the Middle East want the U.S. to invade them, so they can live in democracy, too. As Thomas Friedman inadvertently admitted, Lebanese voters credit their recent free election, in which the voters threw out Hezbollah, to President Bush. (American liberals, naturally, gave the credit to Obama, who they also believe is responsible for the sun rising every morning.)

Brave Iranian students who protested the tyrant Ahmadinejad did so because of Iraq -- and then they stopped because of Obama's indifference. Sadly for them, America's foreign policy will now be based on a calculus of political correctness, not national security.

During the campaign, Obama prattled on about Iraq being a "war of choice" and Afghanistan a "war of necessity" for no more thoughtful reason than a desire to win standing ovations from treasonous liberals.

But lo and behold, those very liberals who were champing at the bit to fight in Afghanistan are suddenly full of objections to the war there, too. As Frank Rich points out: "Afghanistan is not Iraq. It is poorer, even larger and more populous, more fragmented and less historically susceptible to foreign intervention."

Now they notice.

Afghanistan is a brutal battlefield, largely invulnerable to modern warfare -- something the British and Russians learned. But as our military under Bush showed the world in 21 days, scimitar-wielding savages are no match for the voluntary civilian troops of a free people.

Bush removed the Taliban from power, captured or killed the lunatics and, for the next seven years, about the only news we heard out of Afghanistan were occasional announcements of parliamentary elections, new schools, water and electricity plants.

The difficult choice Obama faces in Afghanistan is entirely of his own making, not his generals' and certainly not Bush's. It was Obama's meaningless blather about Afghanistan being a "war of necessity" during the campaign that has moved the central front in the war on terrorism from Iraq -- a good battleground for the U.S. -- to Afghanistan -- a lousy battlefront for the U.S.

And it was Obama's idea to treat war as if it's an ordinary drug bust, reading suspects their Miranda rights and taking care not to put civilians in harm's way.

A Democrat is president and, once again, America finds itself in an "unwinnable war." I know Democrats will never learn, but I wish the voters would.

 

doobnVA

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Anne Coulter must not realize that Bernie Sanders (the socialist) is from Vermont, or else she wouldn't be praising its leadership.

Calling the people of Minnesota "crazy" AND saying they somehow managed to elect a sane leader in the same breath is awfully contradictory. What are the odds that a bunch of crazy people would elect a sane leader? I'd say she just didn't want to insult her pal, Michelle Bachmann.

Snide remarks about Miss Cunt..er.. Coulter aside, Afghanistan has BEEN an "unwinnable" war from the very beginning. Does anyone remember the reason we were there in the first place? What's that guy's name... um... Oh, yeah, BIN LADEN! I wonder where he is now. What's that? He's in Afghanistan? Well, I never...
 

Radiate

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Snide remarks about Miss Cunt..er.. Coulter aside, Afghanistan has BEEN an "unwinnable" war from the very beginning. Does anyone remember the reason we were there in the first place? What's that guy's name... um... Oh, yeah, BIN LADEN! I wonder where he is now. What's that? He's in Afghanistan? Well, I never...
That's what I don't get. In the article she's stating Afghanistan's lack of natural resources as a reason that it's a war not worth fighting. That's pretty deplorable.

At least someone finally admits it was a "war for oil". :lol:
 

doobnVA

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That's what I don't get. In the article she's stating Afghanistan's lack of natural resources as a reason that it's a war not worth fighting. That's pretty deplorable.

At least someone finally admits it was a "war for oil". :lol:
Damn, I just gave you +rep for your "taxes" thread. Here's an IOU :leaf:
 

ObamaSanta

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That lady sure does nail it every time. All of that insight and that's the best you can come up with? Your petty, meaningless, liberal insults splatter like gnats on the windshield of truth. That's the problem with the positions you Libs take, once faced with intelligent discourse that has the fortitude of truth, you kick your feet in the dirt and mutter insults.

Since we know doob is long past engaging in any debate that involves common sense, I'll give it a try with you, Radiate. If you notice, the point of her bringing up the oil fields was not about the US benefitting from them, but the ability to forge a peace with the Shia, Sunni and Kurds by allowing THEM to profit together from their natural resources. The other problem with your theory is we haven't recovered a dime or a fluid ounce of "free oil", strange if that was the intent of the war.

You Libs should bow down to Bush for one of the greatest "Redistribution of Wealth" schemes in history. Saddam was previously the sole recipient of the profits of Iraq's oil, now it's going to the people of Iraq. And the real positive is they didn't have to shred their own Constitution to achieve it. Unlike Obama's agenda.

 

natrone23

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Your crying about "intelligent discourse" hah ah ha.

Take a look at your 5 posts lol




I smell a troll
 

ObamaSanta

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Your crying about "intelligent discourse" hah ah ha.

Take a look at your 5 posts lol



I smell a troll
Well, that was quite a comeback. You sure put me in my place. I don't recall "crying" about anything. I simply pointed out the previous poster's pathetic responses to Ms. Coulter's extremely accurate and insightful article. I would call it "mocking" or "insulting" long before I think anyone would mistake it for "crying". Except for you natrone, you saw right through me and found my sensitive side.

I don't have to look at them, I wrote them. And I stand by each and every one of them.

If you smell trolls, you might want to associate with people who bath.
 

milowerx96

Active Member
Ann Coulter Is a fascist whore. Believing anything that comes out of her knob Polisher is just crazy.

NATURAL-BORN LOSERS
by Ann Coulter
October 14, 2009

The question of whether President Obama should send more troops to Afghanistan misses the point.

What Obama really needs to do is: Invent a time machine, go back to the 2008 presidential campaign and not say, over and over and over again, that Afghanistan was a "war of necessity" while the war in Iraq was a "war of choice." (Oh, and as long as you're back there, ditch Van Jones, Valerie Jarrett and that gay "school safety" czar.)

The most important part of warfare is picking your battlefield, and President Bush picked Iraq for a reason.

Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan attacked us on 9/11 -- or the dozen other times American embassies, barracks and buildings came under jihadist onslaught since Jimmy Carter presided over "regime change" in Iran in 1979. Both countries -- and others -- gave succor to terrorists who had attacked the U.S. repeatedly, and would do so again.

As liberals endlessly reminded us during the three weeks of war in Afghanistan before the U.S. military swept into Kabul, Afghanistan has all the makings of a military disaster. It is mountainous, cave-pocked, tribal, has no resources worth fighting for and a populace that makes Khalid Sheikh Mohammed look like Alistair Cooke.

By contrast, Iraq had a relatively educated, pro-Western populace, but was ruled by a brutal third-world despot.

It's always something with the Muslims. You either have mostly sane people governed by a crazy dictator -- Iraq, Iran and Syria (also California and Michigan) -- or a crazy people governed by relatively sane leaders -- Pakistan and Afghanistan, post-U.S. invasion (also Vermont and Minnesota). There are also insane people ruled by insane leaders (but enough about the House Democratic Caucus). Sane people with sane rulers has not been fully tried yet.

Not only could regime change in Iraq work, but Iraq's countryside was susceptible to America's overwhelming air power. Also, Iraq has fabulous natural resources. Once the U.S. got control of Iraq's oil fields, the Shia, Sunni and Kurds could decide to either prosper together or starve together. (And it's not just oil: They're basically sitting on top of most of the world's proven reserves of cab drivers.)

By contrast, there aren't a lot of sticks that can be used in a wasteland like Afghanistan, where the people live in caves and scratch out a living in the dirt. The only "carrot" we might be able to offer them would be actual carrots.

But Democrats couldn't care less about military strategy -- at least any "strategy" that doesn't involve allowing soldiers to date one another. To the extent you can get liberals to focus on national security at all, you will find they are rooting against their own country.

Liberals sneered at Bush's description of Iraq as the "central front of the war on terror" and a step toward the "democratization of the Middle East" -- as Mark Danner did in the Sept. 11, 2005, New York Times -- because sneering was all they could do. By design, Iraq was the central front in the war on terrorism.

Any fanatic who hated the Great Satan, owned an overnight bag and was not already working for The New York Times was lured across the border into Iraq ... to be met by the awesome force of the U.S. military. Bush chose the battlefield that made the best flytrap for Islamic crazies and also that was most amenable to regime change.

Now nearly all denizens of the Middle East want the U.S. to invade them, so they can live in democracy, too. As Thomas Friedman inadvertently admitted, Lebanese voters credit their recent free election, in which the voters threw out Hezbollah, to President Bush. (American liberals, naturally, gave the credit to Obama, who they also believe is responsible for the sun rising every morning.)

Brave Iranian students who protested the tyrant Ahmadinejad did so because of Iraq -- and then they stopped because of Obama's indifference. Sadly for them, America's foreign policy will now be based on a calculus of political correctness, not national security.

During the campaign, Obama prattled on about Iraq being a "war of choice" and Afghanistan a "war of necessity" for no more thoughtful reason than a desire to win standing ovations from treasonous liberals.

But lo and behold, those very liberals who were champing at the bit to fight in Afghanistan are suddenly full of objections to the war there, too. As Frank Rich points out: "Afghanistan is not Iraq. It is poorer, even larger and more populous, more fragmented and less historically susceptible to foreign intervention."

Now they notice.

Afghanistan is a brutal battlefield, largely invulnerable to modern warfare -- something the British and Russians learned. But as our military under Bush showed the world in 21 days, scimitar-wielding savages are no match for the voluntary civilian troops of a free people.

Bush removed the Taliban from power, captured or killed the lunatics and, for the next seven years, about the only news we heard out of Afghanistan were occasional announcements of parliamentary elections, new schools, water and electricity plants.

The difficult choice Obama faces in Afghanistan is entirely of his own making, not his generals' and certainly not Bush's. It was Obama's meaningless blather about Afghanistan being a "war of necessity" during the campaign that has moved the central front in the war on terrorism from Iraq -- a good battleground for the U.S. -- to Afghanistan -- a lousy battlefront for the U.S.

And it was Obama's idea to treat war as if it's an ordinary drug bust, reading suspects their Miranda rights and taking care not to put civilians in harm's way.

A Democrat is president and, once again, America finds itself in an "unwinnable war." I know Democrats will never learn, but I wish the voters would.
 

doobnVA

Well-Known Member
What's strange is how CrackerJax, RickWhite, and ObamaSanta all have the same capitalization pattern in their usernames and they are all trolls. Coincidence, or are they the same person? hmmmmm, just something to think about.
 

milowerx96

Active Member
Ann Coulter is a Fascist whore. Ill say it again. It doesn't matter what I say you will never open your eyes till you are homeless because the republicans made it even more profitable to ship your job to India or Mexico and they made sure the insurance company's have taken all your hard earned money in premiums and not paid out claims when your prostate starts rotting out. Good luck with that. I'll tell you this. If you had paid you premiums for years and them had to fight with you insurance company to get medical care for your cancer, and then get dropped you would look at things a little differently.
 

chicoles

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More simpleton insults from the Liberal peanut gallery.

They can only resort to name calling. Please find a liberal willing to engage the issues.

The article is brilliant. I would add that Iraqs proximity to Iran, our biggest challenge, was also a factor.
 

Leothwyn

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Wow. So Bin Laden was behind 9/11, and was hiding in Afghanistan. Is she saying that we should have left him alone?
 

milowerx96

Active Member
There is no point of engaging in a debate with you. If it didn't come out of Glenn, Rush or Ann's mouth you won't believe it any way. It's just a waist of breath. One day you will see. But then it will be to late. Hey lets invade a third country. When your son comes home in a box you will learn. I wish I could just beat you people lovingly with an axe handle while explaining the errors of your ways!!!!

They can only resort to name calling. Please find a liberal willing to engage the issues.

The article is brilliant. I would add that Iraqs proximity to Iran, our biggest challenge, was also a factor.
 

chicoles

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There is no point of engaging in a debate with you. If it didn't come out of Glenn, Rush or Ann's mouth you won't believe it any way. It's just a waist of breath. One day you will see. But then it will be to late. Hey lets invade a third country. When your son comes home in a box you will learn. I wish I could just beat you people lovingly with an axe handle while explaining the errors of your ways!!!!
I don't watch Glen, Rush or Ann. I read the article and I am prepared to argue its merits. Your posts do not address any point she makes. Bush chose a winable war, Obama did the opposite.
 

doobnVA

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I don't watch Glen, Rush or Ann. I read the article and I am prepared to argue its merits. Your posts do not address any point she makes. Bush chose a winable war, Obama did the opposite.

Didn't you get the memo? The Iraq war is over.




Has been for quite some time.

So the question is, wtf are we still doing there?


What was our mission in Afghanistan? Have we accomplished that?
 
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