Myths That's All They Are

bamfrivet

bamfrivet

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updated from Flushing to Flushing Two Weeks Before Harvest in hopes to eliminate confusion about what flushing im talking about.
 
heathaa

heathaa

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have you ever smoked bud that sizzled and popped? thats the nutes sizzling away cuz it wasnt flushed. i usually find this in a lot of local dro around here the plants will sizzle and spark almost like a spark from a sparkler. i dont see it often but i do see it from time to time
 
del66666

del66666

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heathaa said:
have you ever smoked bud that sizzled and popped? thats the nutes sizzling away cuz it wasnt flushed. i usually find this in a lot of local dro around here the plants will sizzle and spark almost like a spark from a sparkler. i dont see it often but i do see it from time to time
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no sparks for me in my volcano lol...thats hi magnesium i think if it sizzles.......
 
djruiner

djruiner

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heathaa said:
have you ever smoked bud that sizzled and popped? thats the nutes sizzling away cuz it wasnt flushed. i usually find this in a lot of local dro around here the plants will sizzle and spark almost like a spark from a sparkler. i dont see it often but i do see it from time to time
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no that's moisture from improper dry and cure.
 
doniawon

doniawon

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racerboy71 said:
see, i completely disagree.. what difference does organic make to the taste of the buds over chemical ferts?? let's think about this logically.. are organic means is that they are chemicals that are / were derived from carbon, or living organisms.. they are still chemicals none the less, and they are the same exact chemicals that one would find in chemical fertilizers, same exact chemicals.. nitrogen is still nitrogen whether it's man made or nature made correct?? of course it is, same with phospherous and every other chem that is used in growing..
when is nitrogen not nitrogen? never, so what difference does it make if it comes from a factory of from the ground or some bird shit? none..
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I was talking out of my ass there.. Ive grown hydro my whole life using the same synthetic nutrients.. i agree completly same nutrients and minerals only derived and introduced differently. maybe the chleating agents make a difference.. ive heard some can be petroleum based..?? ive never tested the theory. flushing makes a difference in hydro and ill leave it alone
 
bamfrivet

bamfrivet

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heathaa said:
have you ever smoked bud that sizzled and popped? thats the nutes sizzling away cuz it wasnt flushed. i usually find this in a lot of local dro around here the plants will sizzle and spark almost like a spark from a sparkler. i dont see it often but i do see it from time to time
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that's just wrong information you were fed when you first started to smoke and asked someone why it did that. They didn't know either, because they did the same thing. Sizzling and crackling is either immature seeds that developed close to the end of the grow cycle, improperly dried bud as djruiner pointed out, or it could be pesticides if your grower sprayed some directly on the nug to deal with a mite problem.
 
cannawizard

cannawizard

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**carefull with the "flushing section".. there are flush-nazis all over this forum... too many experts, not enough facts ;P

-cheers
 
DrFever

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flushin comes to mind when you vegged for a long period of time or when you burnt her i want to add food coloring to one of my nute feedings on 1 plant and see how long it takes to get rid of it once its in the plants vascular system lol then i will flush it and count how many days to get rid of it once it hit my top bud what color should i use i give it 3 weeks then cut bud in half hopefully the coloring is there then i will flush our suppose ed 2 / 3 weeks and seee if its gone lmaoooooooooooooooo
 
motoxmom

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DrFever said:
flushin comes to mind when you vegged for a long period of time or when you burnt her i want to add food coloring to one of my nute feedings on 1 plant and see how long it takes to get rid of it once its in the plants vascular system lol then i will flush it and count how many days to get rid of it once it hit my top bud what color should i use i give it 3 weeks then cut bud in half hopefully the coloring is there then i will flush our suppose ed 2 / 3 weeks and seee if its gone lmaoooooooooooooooo
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make a journal of it so i can watch it. you have to use a bright color like red :)
 
heathaa

heathaa

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well i dont plan on flushing this year. i didnt flush last year. but i also use a lot less nutes then most people use. and i tend to stay on the pure organic side. usually when things are right i make my own compost (at least some of it) i use a fish head and thats pretty much it. the last two years i been using nutes but in very conservative amounts
 
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SHLIMPY

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how about this...

myth: seeds have a shelf life
truth: as long as theyre kept an a safe enviroment theyl be fine

i kno this from experience...my first ever grow was a garden grow, i had some seeds in a 35mm camera film case for over 10 years and decided to try them out....i planted 16, everyone grew, and to my excitement only 1 was male! unfortunately the frost keeled them and i only managed to salvage around an oz :(
 
panhead

panhead

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colonuggs said:
I am a part owner in a dispensary in Colorado.....we get alot of hydro weed....I can so tell the difference between flushed weed and non flushed..so can my clients

in hydro grows..... you definatley have to flush for the last 10-14 days cause there is no filtering of nutes like in soil grows.

soil not so much mabey the last 2 waterings

In our soil grows we will use 1/2 of the fert the directions call for in flower.... then only water one or two times at the end of flower with just water
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I am also part owner in a club in Michigan as well as operate 8 flood tables,i also grew in soil for 20 plus years of & on before going full hydroponic.

Being part owner of a club does not indicate superior knowledge on the subject,all it shows is that we see alot of product.

My experience with flushing is the polar oposite of yours,i dont flush anything & get no complaints,only happy people,so happy that the strains we submit to the membership are allways top sellers,we have a strain of sour deisel that has a continous will call list with members waiting for it to become available before they buy,all non flushed.

Put YOUR connaseur skills to the test,take 2 samles of the same strain,both using the same technique,only you know that both samples are the same,now give out free samples with one marked as flushed & the other as non flushed,tell the people in the test that you require them to fill out a questioneer instead of payment,ask questions pertaining to all the qualities that give you the ability to tell the difference between flushed & non flushed.

When you get the papers back be ready to be bummed out,every last test smoker will say the unflushed sample was everything the pro flushing community says it is,all the while singing the praise of how much better the flushed product was due to being flushed properly.

After your done experiencing the placebo effect 1st hand let the testers know both samples were the same,now listen to the bs that fly's out of their mouths giving reason why they answered the way they did.

Feel free to substitute any other myth as the control condition,soil vs hydro,chem vs organic,advanced nutreints vs miracle grow ect its all the same,whatever people who all claim to be connaseurs have been lead to believe a negative traight.
Every time ive put connaseur skills to the test they all fall flat on their faces & the other younger co-owners cant stand it.
Ive done shit like this many times,to me what good is it to have a good portion of control in the clubs we own if were not putting it to good use.

I call bullshit on anybody on earth being able to taste any diffefence between flushed vs non flushed & science backs it up as well,all the "believers"are victims at the hands of the creative minds in the botique fertilizer industry,they are the genius behind selling an entire market on the idea of using a chemical they sell to take out the bad taste of the other chemicals they sold you,ground zero of this assanine pratice traces right back to their arrival on the pot farming scene.
 
sheapdog420

sheapdog420

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My take on Flush:

Some poeple argue that farmers don't flush their crops. But in a sense they do. They fertilize from the beginning, maybe another dose mid way through the season, though it could be for pests. But the natural rain water throughout the grow is a flush. They don't keep adding nutrients throughout the grow. They are flushing, but with natural rain water. So I flush.

I don't say I'm an expert, nor do I say I can taste the difference. Just my opinion.
 
cleverpiggy

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djruiner said:
if it tasted like chems then it was the bud...or other factors..when the soil breaks down your fert into usable compounds that can be transported around the plant whether your growing organic or with chem ferts the same elements are going into your plant...organic takes longer because of the whole eat...poop...feed thing... where chem ferts are instantly absorbed by the plant. so when your flushing at the end your not flushing the chemicals out of the plant...and not going into the science as to why...but nothing is removed from the plant when flushed...your just depriving it of food at its most important stage of development. flushing was started by shitty indoor dutch growers that over ferted their crops and told everyone flushing was good (to cover up their mistakes). in any other area of botany flushing is referred to as "leeching" so if someone says the word flush....call bullshit instantly
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Hey Drruiner,
I am so glad to hear what you wrote, I completely agree with you. How could a plant taste like chemical fertilizer after the plant has broken down the nutrients and synthesized them into usable energy. If I feed my plants grape Kool Aid will they taste like grapes, I think not. The flushing theory is as follows. Chemical's in the fertilizer equal chemical taste in the buds. Also what does this chemical residue taste like, I know that carcinogen's are not particular tasty in nature and think about the large amount of carcinogens you are tasting when you burn plant matter. I think a lot of people confuse this taste and are tricked into thinking they can alter this by removing excess chemical in the bud. When in fact there is no actual chemical residue to be removed. I would like to see a lab analysis of 2 plants of the same strain flushed and not flushed. I am willing to bet they will have a similar chemical percentages and makeup. I'm no PHD in plant science but I play one on the internet LOL. Just my $.02.
 
djruiner

djruiner

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sheapdog420 said:
My take on Flush:

Some poeple argue that farmers don't flush their crops. But in a sense they do. They fertilize from the beginning, maybe another dose mid way through the season, though it could be for pests. But the natural rain water throughout the grow is a flush. They don't keep adding nutrients throughout the grow. They are flushing, but with natural rain water. So I flush.

I don't say I'm an expert, nor do I say I can taste the difference. Just my opinion.
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once again not knowing the difference between leeching and flushing...google leeching or wicking...which is what happens when it rains. since the plant can not uptake nutes when the ph is out of range (most rain water has a ph around 5.6-5.8 ) it leeches the water out of the soil so that it can get to the nutes...and during this leeching process the soil buffers back to normal and the plant can uptake nutes again...the same reason if you look in nature the biggest growth of plants happens after it rains...after the low ph water is wicked off...it starts sucking up as many nutes as it can....raining and flushing have nothing in common. many growers including myself use the "make it rain" method where we purposely water with plain tap water ph'd around 5.6 then after it wicks the water out we instantly feed it within hours after making it rain...its all about recreating nature...nature tells us whats best...not a bunch of ego driven kids on a forum that dont know the difference between a plant and their asshole.
 
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