My Perpetual Zero-Veg Op

shnkrmn said:

I have two 8 watt 4 outlet airpumps. One in veg and one in bloom. looks like a jacuzzi in there.

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thanks for the info. are you using four airstones on each outlet?

looking real good in there man! tight work!!

faithfulmastiff said:

what an interesting read, subbed for sure -)

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Thanks for looking!

Highhopes99 said:

thanks for the info. are you using four airstones on each outlet?

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No, I have one airstone on each outlet. So I have 4 stones in my 50 gallon veg tank and 1 or 2 in each of the flowering tubs.

Boyz N Da Hood said:

looking real good in there man! tight work!!

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Thanks, man.

My TMV test came out negative. I think I was over ferting/watering. I'm still new to this indoor stuff... Thanks for the help.

hey bro any tips yopu can give me on chronic? i got a seedling comig up in its 2nd week.
gonna clone an do a sog with a few other strains.

So I had a couple q's... What kind of ppm range are you using, and are you lollipopping those girls? Great journal, by the way, I've been lurking around.

jeb5304 said:

hey bro any tips yopu can give me on chronic? i got a seedling comig up in its 2nd week.
gonna clone an do a sog with a few other strains.

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It'll do better if you do Chronic by itself. It definitely stretches about 10-15% more than the other strains I've got, so when I mixed them I got an uneven canopy. Way better to have every plant the same size.

Short Bus said:

So I had a couple q's... What kind of ppm range are you using, and are you lollipopping those girls? Great journal, by the way, I've been lurking around.

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The most recent batch I finally took the time to lollipop. Before they were growing bud all the way down to the hydroton but it was a little fluffy down there, so I figured get rid of it and improve air circulation. I know from past experience that Chronic can grow mold in the buds pretty easily so maybe that will help.

The highest my ppms get is 1300 in flower weeks 3 and 4.

thx man but this run ill have to go with it. im also doing ak47 blueberry and la con. ill mange sum how lol

Thanks Shnkr. Jeb, you got a great lineup. That LA is great shit.

You'll manage somehow jeb

Nice job, dude!

Doing a zero-veg perpetual with clones, how much can you expect from say.. 2 600w's over 6-10 clones?

depending on strain and a lot of other variables, I get 3/4 to 1 ounce per plant.

Can I have your personal opinion on what you would do with this shanty then?

Me and my dad can have 24 plants, we smoke 1+ oz a week easy.
We would like to at least grow THAT much so we have a constant supply of meds.

How should we go about doing this? The shanty is 4'10"x7'8"x6'6" by the way..

That's a really small space, You have room for two flood and drain setups like I use, you really just need one light for each tub and adequate ventilation and you're good to go. Your ceiling height is ok but just barely.

shnkrmn said:

That's a really small space, You have room for two flood and drain setups like I use, you really just need one light for each tub and adequate ventilation and you're good to go. Your ceiling height is ok but just barely.

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We can raise it up around another 6 inches with an attachment we have.
Will I have problems with ventilation? If not, should I get two flood tables and two 600w lights?

I dont really even know how to do flood trays, but I will look into it very thoroughly if its my best option..

Shanker old man, they look great and I was noticing the time between your posts when you were trimming...like I said, you got your shit together for what you are trying to accomplish, great job.

So I did a little math, you getting about an ounce dry from each plant?

HU, I missed this post of yours. Unless I randomly replied to it in another thread; you know how that goes! Mostly less than an ounce a plant lately, but I've been flowering every clone I get roots on whether it's prime or not. I want a larger cloner so I can take more cuts and be more selective. I think the next couple months I'll move to whatever the max is I can get per plant in this configuration.

Thanks for the compliment, but I still feel like a learner. Plus, I could easily drop another thousand into investment here, but I resist it. I might get another 1K ballast and a 60 site EZCloner soon. I need to do some partitioning soon in my space because I want to use a/c this summer. It's hard growing in 80% humidity and 79 degrees!

I have a bit of real estate open at the moment.



I'm going to fill it with these;


and this:


I've been breaking the branches down on this mother to fit her into my flower room. Kind of cruel but the alternative is the compost pile.





The tray of Chronic has another 4 weeks or so to go. It's growing very well.


I harvested another tray with 17 plants in it over the last week or so. Some is already jarred up, some still hanging.

LOL, I had to go all the. Ok The Clone way back to the beginning, The clones on the left side look fatter than the seed plants. The seed plants look much taller. do you remember if there was any age difference or are they reletively the same ages ie day of cutting vs day of germination for the seeds? how many plants can you fit in one of those systems? also couldn't yo just fill the table with hydroton and let the plants grow with out the pots? yeah, newbie questions, lol
I ask because on my veg garden I got pissed at teh peat pots and took a 6 inch 1' X 1' tub filled with hydroton and seeds and got the best sprouts I've ever had! the only problem is that due to back problems I haven't finished my diy aero hydro unit, yet & the plants need to be moved 3rd week, feeding lightly by hand as the tub has no drain. I maya have to just start over; which would suck lol. Those are flood & drain units right?

shnkrmn said:

the first zero-veg cycle I did on the left, and some seed-grown plants on the right

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Yes. Those be flood and drain.

Filling the tables with hydroton works well, but the plants can't be moved or rotated throughout the grow. Not something you would want to move if you have a bad back, though.

I'm still figuring out the right number of plants. Technically, I'm not zero-veg anymore, more like mini-veg, mostly because I've had some cloning issues mostly related to cold temps (I blame everything on cold temps, lol) But I like to stuff 15 or so in there.

The clones were like 50 days ahead of the seed plants in flowering, that's why they look so much bigger and fatter.

Why don't you take a drill and put some drain holes in your tub?