My grow 2.5, 400 watt hempy scrog, Big Bud x Northern Lights, OG Kush, and Bubba 76

fr3d12

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Ahh ill have to have a look around the main reason i was buying from them was because i could get pick n mix serious seeds and because they offered gurenteed shipping, im not sure that it would cover me if my seeds were to get siezed though as the wording of there gurentee is kinda sketchy, sorry to hear about the job man ive been in that situation before its not very fun, your closet doors look like a light proofing nightmare lol.
I'm assuming you're stateside then?
I bought my seeds from the UK and they do a great selection of pick and mix.I just got regular shipping but they have stealth options,like a ball point pen,cd case etc and a guarantee option also,not sure if they post everywhere though.

I was thinking about the light proof as well,it seems to be there or nearly there at least.
I have to re-organise the room cause everything is down the one end due to all the sockets being there,the house is fairly old and then I can tackle the closet properly.If I have too I will change the doors to something better.I'll start tomorrow and see how it goes.
I do have a 4' x 4' x 6'8" tent but there's no way to explain it's presence or what's in it.

The job situation sucks here at the moment,been like that for quite a while now.
I had double bad luck,lost the job due to recession and my home at the same time due to a break up.Although now in my 30's It could be worse I guess than living at home,gotta make the most of it.
Thank God for the greatest hobby a guy could have:weed:
 

psilocybindude

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Yes i am state side unfortunately i really wish i was in a medical or legal state, i really hate trying to order seeds its such a hassle i wish i could just walk into a shop and pick up some clones, i checked out that justfeminized.com a little bit ago and i wasn't able to find out if they shipped to the USA but i did find that they don't carry pick and mix serious seeds so yeah that wont work, I'm not really to worried about it I've got months before i need seeds i was just hoping i could get on that attitude deal because it would have added up to about $5.50 per seed for a variety of decent seed stock.

It seems to me that light proofing doors like that would be nearly impossible with traditional methods but i haven't seen whats on the other side of them, can i see some pics of the inside of the closet? What you could do is get a panel of some wood and cut it to the dimensions of the door frame then remove the doors from the door frame and glue them on to the panel then mount the panel to the door frame with hinges, you could also get some black tarp with a zipper and secure it to the inside of the door frame but that could create ventilation problems... Also just a few questions is your hood air cooled, what are the dimensions of your room, and that last time you tried to grow with the 400 watter were you using adequate ventilation?

Yeah the job situation here is pretty bad too, I've had my share of bad luck but damn losing your house and your job in the same time frame would be horrible, the closest i can come to that is losing my job and getting my car totaled by a drunk driver with in like 3 hours of each other. This is a great hobby i just wish i had some one in real life that i could share it with but i don't and unfortunately until my state goes legal or medical i wont.

[edit] I don't know what i was thinking with the doors, lol of course there is some type of support behind the ends of them other wise they would never close properly, so yeah cancel all that about the panel and the tarp lol...
 

psilocybindude

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Here are some pics of my baby's the burmese kush and veneno are 8 days from sprout and the critical + automatic is 1 day from sprout, i notice that the stems are purplish and im not sure why that is, it should be impossible for them to have a deficiency because the cotyledon are feeding them correct?



burmese kush


veneno


critical + automatic
 

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fr3d12

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Yes i am state side unfortunately i really wish i was in a medical or legal state, i really hate trying to order seeds its such a hassle i wish i could just walk into a shop and pick up some clones, i checked out that justfeminized.com a little bit ago and i wasn't able to find out if they shipped to the USA but i did find that they don't carry pick and mix serious seeds so yeah that wont work, I'm not really to worried about it I've got months before i need seeds i was just hoping i could get on that attitude deal because it would have added up to about $5.50 per seed for a variety of decent seed stock.

It seems to me that light proofing doors like that would be nearly impossible with traditional methods but i haven't seen whats on the other side of them, can i see some pics of the inside of the closet? What you could do is get a panel of some wood and cut it to the dimensions of the door frame then remove the doors from the door frame and glue them on to the panel then mount the panel to the door frame with hinges, you could also get some black tarp with a zipper and secure it to the inside of the door frame but that could create ventilation problems... Also just a few questions is your hood air cooled, what are the dimensions of your room, and that last time you tried to grow with the 400 watter were you using adequate ventilation?

Yeah the job situation here is pretty bad too, I've had my share of bad luck but damn losing your house and your job in the same time frame would be horrible, the closest i can come to that is losing my job and getting my car totaled by a drunk driver with in like 3 hours of each other. This is a great hobby i just wish i had some one in real life that i could share it with but i don't and unfortunately until my state goes legal or medical i wont.

[edit] I don't know what i was thinking with the doors, lol of course there is some type of support behind the ends of them other wise they would never close properly, so yeah cancel all that about the panel and the tarp lol...
The laws are so different there from state to state,you would think what's good for one state is good for the rest.I'm guessing then that you cannot buy seeds from states that allow medical growing.It would be great to be able to walk into a store and buy a clone,then grow your weed legally and make some money,we would all learn so much faster if it could be done without fear of arrest.

I'll take a pic tomorrow of the inside cos I can't fully open the doors until I move the bed.
I agree about the tarp and the ventilation,I had thought of installing some sort of runner on the bottom and maybe putting a sliding door of some sort there,in theory it does not seem so difficult or expensive.
I just have a regular reflector for now,I was thinking I wouldn't need a cool tube etc with just the 250w running,as for ventilation I was just gonna hole through the top shelf and then the ceiling to the attic and maybe a simple odour control would suffice until I bought a decent fan and filter,the problem with buying stuff here is that it is twice as expensive as buying on ebay but then you gotta run the customs gauntlet and whether they become suspicious if there's too much growing equipment going to the one address.
My previous grow with the 400w I guess was not technically ventilated right,I used one of the spare rooms in my old house and just some regular house fans,there was a vent built into the wall and that was it.
The dimensions of my current room are about 16-18' X 10 so it is quite big,I have a sofa in here,a double bed and some other furniture and there's still plenty of walking about room.
I have plenty of space for the tent but no way to explain it,I would prefer to use it,more light and more space = more bud.

You had some bad luck yourself also,life can be tough for no reason at all and change so drastically in an instant.
 

fr3d12

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Here are some pics of my baby's the burmese kush and veneno are 8 days from sprout and the critical + automatic is 1 day from sprout, i notice that the stems are purplish and im not sure why that is, it should be impossible for them to have a deficiency because the cotyledon are feeding them correct?



burmese kush


veneno


critical + automatic
They look healthy,maybe it geneics or if it is a deficiency you would notice brittle or unhealthy leaves.
 

psilocybindude

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Yeah the laws here are pretty crazy from state to state i live on the border of multiple states and the penalties range quite a bit in severity from a slap on the wrist to mandatory minimum sentences, i to agree that we would be able to learn a lot faster if we didn't have to devote so much effort, time and money into being as stealth as possible, i have wanted to move to a medical state for quite a while now but it seems to be impossible for me to amass enough money to do it. It will be interesting to see how things unfold now that we have states that have passed legalization, considering the state of our economy and the financial strain that our government is under i think a lot of people will be watching these new legal states to see what happens, and i expect to see a lot of legalization legislation this coming year, hemp and cannabis could inspire new industry and breath new life into our dying country's economy.

So you are planning on using passive ventilation to cool the closet? Sucks to hear that about your equipment dilemma so you are forced to pay double at the hydro shops or go threw customs with all of your eBay purchases? I personally don't order anything to my house that's a big part of what makes seeds such a hassle for me. It sucks that you cant use your tent i know what its like to be confined to a closet i have a 6x6x6 tent with a 1000 watt hps ballast and i cant use them because my house is to damn small and the tent is just to damn big, anyone who saw it would be overcome with curiosity, and i unfortunately don't have enough space in my house to close off a whole room to the public.

Yeah it sucks how quickly your life can be changed for the worse.
 

fr3d12

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Hemp is such a versatile product but I guess the cotton producers will do anything to keep it banned.It is all about money and if Governments around the world could find a way to regulate cannabis they would legalise it or at least some woulod so until then they will tell us of the "dangers" of it.
The law is quite strict on it here also because of the scumbag criminal gangs who are growing it on a huge commercial scale,it has really fu*%ed things up for the guy who only wants a few plants for personal use.

I'll only grow 2 this time so hopefully passive will suffice.The hydro shops are dear here,I got my digital ballast on ebay for the equivalent of $100 less than some of them were charging but I don't really want to order anything else for a while.
It's a shame you have such a nice tent and ballast with no room to use it but it is big and not easily explained and too nerve wracking if you have a lot of traffic passing through.
 

psilocybindude

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Cannabis has a lot of powerful fortified enemy's, the industrial prison complex, the pharmaceutical industry, and because of its versatility it has even more enemy's in the consumer goods production department, I'm sure there are even enemy's in the cannabis culture its self, California started the medical marijuana movement in 1996 and last year they attempted legalization and failed, i cant help but wonder how many traitors to the cause voted against the legalization and regulation of marijuana because they feared they would lose massive amounts of profit if there precious crops were to become legal over night...
 

fr3d12

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Cannabis has a lot of powerful fortified enemy's, the industrial prison complex, the pharmaceutical industry, and because of its versatility it has even more enemy's in the consumer goods production department, I'm sure there are even enemy's in the cannabis culture its self, California started the medical marijuana movement in 1996 and last year they attempted legalization and failed, i cant help but wonder how many traitors to the cause voted against the legalization and regulation of marijuana because they feared they would lose massive amounts of profit if there precious crops were to become legal over night...
I never looked at it like that,it does make sense.
Legalisation = Less profit!

Anything new with yoour own grow?
 

psilocybindude

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The insane profits are what make drugs so dangerous its not the drugs them selves, 100s of thousands of people have died in Mexico and here because of our insane drug laws and because of the insane profit that comes with illegal drugs there will never be a shortage of people to step up and take the dead's place, Pablo Escobar actually became so powerful that he was able to buy his own personal army and invade his own country when the government started fucking with him... How insane would that be, to be so powerful that you could invade your own country when they try to arrest you? There are country's that have defied the USA's agenda and completely legalized drugs they provide treatment and medical care for addicts and they provide the dosage of the drugs for them as well, as a result there is no black market for drugs and the crime has also dropped off significantly because people no longer have to rob and steal to pay for there drugs, there are no more turf wars by the gangs for control of the drug market, and I'm sure the amount of homeless people has also declined as well because people can afford rent now that they don't have to pay for there drugs. The drug war is nothing more than a scam designed by the global puppiters to accumulate more wealth and power, did you know pre americas invasion of afghanistan they produced 10% of the worlds heroin, now that america is there they produce about 90% and have our troops protecting it...


As far as my grow goes not really man I'm just setting here waiting for something to happen, things are moving pretty slow but what i read is that during the first few weeks the plants are working on establishing a strong root system so there wont be much to see up top.
 

psilocybindude

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I don't mean to make my self sound like a conspiracy theory nut job cause i'm really not, i don't believe i need to wear a tin foil hat to protect my self from the alien signals or that the end of the world is coming, but i do with out a doubt believe that people are quite susceptible to corruption, i don't really need to argue my case, all i need to say is look to history...

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
 

psilocybindude

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I don't know why but I'm fixating on that term " global puppeteers" its a good description if such people do exist, but i really don't like it, it sounds to Alex Jones, and my whole statement about the Afghanistan thing sounds overly confident, I'm not saying they invaded Afghanistan for the heroin trade, but i am saying that it would be quite the prize to win if they went there for something else... I'm gonna stfu about this now lol.
 

fr3d12

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The insane profits are what make drugs so dangerous its not the drugs them selves, 100s of thousands of people have died in Mexico and here because of our insane drug laws and because of the insane profit that comes with illegal drugs there will never be a shortage of people to step up and take the dead's place, Pablo Escobar actually became so powerful that he was able to buy his own personal army and invade his own country when the government started fucking with him... How insane would that be, to be so powerful that you could invade your own country when they try to arrest you? There are country's that have defied the USA's agenda and completely legalized drugs they provide treatment for addicts and they provide the dosage of the drugs for them as well, as a result there is no black market for drugs and the crime has also dropped off significantly because people no longer have to rob and steal to pay for there drugs, there are no more turf wars by the gangs for control of the drug market, and I'm sure the amount of homeless people has also declined as well because people can afford rent now that they don't have to pay for there drugs. The drug war is nothing more than a scam designed by the global puppiters to accumulate more wealth and power, did you know pre americas invasion of afghanistan they produced 10% of the worlds heroin, now that america is there they produce about 90% and have our troops protecting it...


As far as my grow goes not really man I'm just setting here waiting for something to happen, things are moving pretty slow but what i read is that during the first few weeks the plants are working on establishing a strong root system so there wont be much to see up top.
You are right,what's going on in Mexico is crazy,they are so ruthless and utterly greedy,as for the establishment they are worse,though I think many are corrupt because it's the only way to stay alive.
RE: Afghanistan I seen a documentary confirming what you say that 90% of the worlds heroin comes from there.

I guess the plants are growing that extensive root system they so vitally need for later on and drama free is always good.

I'm gonna scrap my closet grow I think,I had a look up top today and didn't realise that has quite a bit of mold so there must be a leak in the attic somewhere.
I think I'll go with the tent and worry about explanations when the time comes,at least I can grow with the 400w and just need to get an exhaust fan and filter.
 

psilocybindude

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You are right,what's going on in Mexico is crazy,they are so ruthless and utterly greedy,as for the establishment they are worse,though I think many are corrupt because it's the only way to stay alive.
I believe the Mexicans have a saying when it comes to the cartels way of doing business "silver or lead", sucks to hear about the mold but its good to hear that you will be able to use your tent i wish i could help you think of a way of disguising it but I'm pretty sure that's fucked lol, maybe you could tell them that its a portable dark room for your new photography hobby and that they shouldn't go in it because they will fuck up your pictures or be exposed to some kind of bad chemicals...
 

fr3d12

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I believe the Mexicans have a saying when it comes to the cartels way of doing business "silver or lead", sucks to hear about the mold but its good to hear that you will be able to use your tent i wish i could help you think of a way of disguising it but I'm pretty sure that's fucked lol, maybe you could tell them that its a portable dark room for your new photography hobby and that they shouldn't go in it because they will fuck up your pictures or be exposed to some kind of bad chemicals...
One would be lucky to get lead in Mexico,the unlucky get a chainsaw or worse,I seen pics of guys online that were tortured to death with blow torches.

The photography hobby excuse wouldn't fly,no one really comes into my room anyway and I would just take over the power bill also.
I have been thinking of getting this fan for awhile now but have never heard any hydro fan running so I've no idea of how loud it would be.
http://www.hydroponicfans.co.uk/acatalog/Vents_TT_Mixed_Flow_Fan_cw_Speed___Temp_Control.html
 

psilocybindude

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Yeah its pretty disgusting, ridiculously violent crimes are being committed all around the world right now in the name of our sobriety, while at the same time the pharmaceutical industry is converting house wives into heroin addicts at probably the fastest rate ever...

I doubt the 400 watter would make much of a difference on your power bill you could probably off set it by buying a few cfl bulbs and putting them in around the house, that looks like a pretty cool fan to me man i have not seen anything like that around here, it has temperature control and fan speed control built in, as far as the sound goes it says its between 27 and 33 db and thats closer to a whisper than a normal conversation according to this site http://www.howstuffworks.com/question124.htm . Over all that looks like an awesome fan my only concern would be that it doesn't look like a centrifugal fan and if its not I'm not sure it would have the power to move the amount of air you might need to move, when you are setting up ventilation it is always better to go bigger than you need, because its always better to have it when you need it than not have it when you need it. I really don't know how to read the air flow of that fan because it is measured in meters or liters, so i am not sure if it is suitable i can tell you a decent fan here runs around 450 cubic feet per minute so if you can find the conversion you will know if the fan is suitable.

Which model were you thinking? I would also really recommend reading reviews about it if you can find any.
 

fr3d12

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According to the conversion site I visited it is about 325 CFM on high and 275 on low for the 6 inch.
I didn't know there was a difference with the centrifrugal fans.
As for reviews there's a few in French and Spanish,that's the only English site selling it except for a couple of listings on ebay.
It was grabbing my attention because of the extra control features and the temp probe but I'm gonna keep looking anyway.

Last time I grew with the 400w back in '09 it added about the equiv. of $120 US to the bill(2 monthly) on 18/6 and I know the cost per KW/H has risen about 4 times since,we have only 2 suppliers here and both are state owned so there's no competition whatsoever on gas or electricity.One company has a cheaper rate but a higher standing charge so basically they are the same price.
I have already spent $750+ on the tent,lighting,seeds,soil etc so the extra on the bill wont worry me,if anything it might make me more efficient
 

psilocybindude

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That fan looks to me like a modified version of this http://www.ebay.com/itm/250685239990?hlp=false&var= it would be awesome if the features were built into a quality fan but i am pretty sure that fan is junk, I'm also pretty sure you could get all of those features separately with a better quality fan for about the same money, here is a picture from the auction of the cfm rating vs static pressure, I'm not entirely sure how this should be read but I'm pretty sure that the fan at 1.0" away would produce 78-87 cfm as the chart says, not any where near what you would want or need.

 

fr3d12

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That fan looks to me like a modified version of this http://www.ebay.com/itm/250685239990?hlp=false&var= it would be awesome if the features were built into a quality fan but i am pretty sure that fan is junk, I'm also pretty sure you could get all of those features separately with a better quality fan for about the same money, here is a picture from the auction of the cfm rating vs static pressure, I'm not entirely sure how this should be read but I'm pretty sure that the fan at 1.0" away would produce 78-87 cfm as the chart says, not any where near what you would want or need.


You're right and I'm pretty sure it's from the same manufacturer.
A regular bathroom extractor fan would nearly pull more air than that and a hell of a lot cheaper as well.
I won't rush into anything,it won't be needed for a while.
 

psilocybindude

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An axial fan which is what i believe that fan is, operates like a computer fan or a standard fan inside of a wind tunnel, a centrifugal fan uses superior engineering to produce significantly more power, and you need a lot more base line power to push air threw a carbon filter.


Axial fan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_fan


This is a squirrel cage centrifugal fan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifugal_fan


And this is a inline centrifugal fan, it would be your best bet, its quieter, it fits into the system better, and it is very reliable.
 
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