Eagle-ize
Member
Whew! Just blew through the entire thread. I'm new here and have been lurking for a while. There is a lot of
'spirited' debate on who makes the 'best' or 'most efficient' panel and I must say these threads can get bumpy!
Imagine for a moment what it would be like if the Olympics would award the athletes based on their stats? What about
motor racing? Or horse racing? Or football?
The accolade goes to the one that crosses the finish line first – to the team who scores highest in the big game, not
to the team with the highest statistics. Stats are great at making an educated guess, but when the rubber hits the pavement,
the final result is what really counts.
@Hybridway, I would like to commend you on your room and on your methods. It looks absolutely surgical! I want one now.
(I still grow in tents but not for long
)
I have switched to using LEDs exclusively now for a few years (won't mention any brands because I am trying out a few).
This forum has been instrumental in teaching me a lot about the DIY program and am a huge fan of what COBs are capable
of and the way I determine what is best (for me at least) is the way ppl have been doing it for years. Through trials.
Nature has been doing it for over 3.5 billion years. An organism may have a better feature or run faster than its neighbor and might
look great on paper but if it does not survive in its given environment, it's DONE.
All I'm saying is finding the truth among all the 'true facts' may mean having to discover it for yourselves. After all, technology is similar
to nature. As it progresses and evolves, so must we. As long as innovation thrives, there will always be a better mouse trap.
Heres a pic 3 weeks into flower so ya'll know I'm real. No-till organic soil in sub-irrigated 27gal totes I made myself. I water once a
week. I see them only once a week.
Peace and happy growing!
'spirited' debate on who makes the 'best' or 'most efficient' panel and I must say these threads can get bumpy!
Imagine for a moment what it would be like if the Olympics would award the athletes based on their stats? What about
motor racing? Or horse racing? Or football?
The accolade goes to the one that crosses the finish line first – to the team who scores highest in the big game, not
to the team with the highest statistics. Stats are great at making an educated guess, but when the rubber hits the pavement,
the final result is what really counts.
@Hybridway, I would like to commend you on your room and on your methods. It looks absolutely surgical! I want one now.
(I still grow in tents but not for long
)I have switched to using LEDs exclusively now for a few years (won't mention any brands because I am trying out a few).
This forum has been instrumental in teaching me a lot about the DIY program and am a huge fan of what COBs are capable
of and the way I determine what is best (for me at least) is the way ppl have been doing it for years. Through trials.
Nature has been doing it for over 3.5 billion years. An organism may have a better feature or run faster than its neighbor and might
look great on paper but if it does not survive in its given environment, it's DONE.
All I'm saying is finding the truth among all the 'true facts' may mean having to discover it for yourselves. After all, technology is similar
to nature. As it progresses and evolves, so must we. As long as innovation thrives, there will always be a better mouse trap.
Heres a pic 3 weeks into flower so ya'll know I'm real. No-till organic soil in sub-irrigated 27gal totes I made myself. I water once a
week. I see them only once a week.
Peace and happy growing!
BuddyColas
Well-Known Member
You will be very pleased to know that Hybridway has his very own thread extolling the virtues of running with Amare and Suncloaker.Whew! Just blew through the entire thread. I'm new here and have been lurking for a while. There is a lot of
'spirited' debate on who makes the 'best' or 'most efficient' panel and I must say these threads can get bumpy!
Imagine for a moment what it would be like if the Olympics would award the athletes based on their stats? What about
motor racing? Or horse racing? Or football?
The accolade goes to the one that crosses the finish line first – to the team who scores highest in the big game, not
to the team with the highest statistics. Stats are great at making an educated guess, but when the rubber hits the pavement,
the final result is what really counts.
@Hybridway, I would like to commend you on your room and on your methods. It looks absolutely surgical! I want one now.
(I still grow in tents but not for long
I have switched to using LEDs exclusively now for a few years (won't mention any brands because I am trying out a few).
This forum has been instrumental in teaching me a lot about the DIY program and am a huge fan of what COBs are capable
of and the way I determine what is best (for me at least) is the way ppl have been doing it for years. Through trials.
Nature has been doing it for over 3.5 billion years. An organism may have a better feature or run faster than its neighbor and might
look great on paper but if it does not survive in its given environment, it's DONE.
All I'm saying is finding the truth among all the 'true facts' may mean having to discover it for yourselves. After all, technology is similar
to nature. As it progresses and evolves, so must we. As long as innovation thrives, there will always be a better mouse trap.
Heres a pic 3 weeks into flower so ya'll know I'm real. No-till organic soil in sub-irrigated 27gal totes I made myself. I water once a
week. I see them only once a week.
Peace and happy growing!
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Eagle-ize
Member
Hey BuddyColas! I already pulled up a seat! Still reading through it so gimme some time to get caught up. Shit is like binge watching
seasons of Breaking Bad haha! Thanks for the heads up.
Oh, and just incase ppl are wondering why there are white specs on my leaves... they are bran flakes from a release of green lacewing larvae. Had a problem with white flys. Lil summa bitches!
mahiluana
Well-Known Member
Whew! Just blew through the entire thread. I'm new here and have been lurking for a while. There is a lot of
'spirited' debate on who makes the 'best' or 'most efficient' panel and I must say these threads can get bumpy!
Imagine for a moment what it would be like if the Olympics would award the athletes based on their stats? What about
motor racing? Or horse racing? Or football?
The accolade goes to the one that crosses the finish line first – to the team who scores highest in the big game, not
to the team with the highest statistics. Stats are great at making an educated guess, but when the rubber hits the pavement,
the final result is what really counts.
@Hybridway, I would like to commend you on your room and on your methods. It looks absolutely surgical! I want one now.
(I still grow in tents but not for long
I have switched to using LEDs exclusively now for a few years (won't mention any brands because I am trying out a few).
This forum has been instrumental in teaching me a lot about the DIY program and am a huge fan of what COBs are capable
of and the way I determine what is best (for me at least) is the way ppl have been doing it for years. Through trials.
Nature has been doing it for over 3.5 billion years. An organism may have a better feature or run faster than its neighbor and might
look great on paper but if it does not survive in its given environment, it's DONE.
All I'm saying is finding the truth among all the 'true facts' may mean having to discover it for yourselves. After all, technology is similar
to nature. As it progresses and evolves, so must we. As long as innovation thrives, there will always be a better mouse trap.
Heres a pic 3 weeks into flower so ya'll know I'm real. No-till organic soil in sub-irrigated 27gal totes I made myself. I water once a
week. I see them only once a week.
Peace and happy growing!
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Peace and happy growing!You are very talented, lazy hard working man if you see them only once a week.
Congratulation to your nice growroom and the littles.
I`m also new here and
I want to reply to your thoughts about olympical grow.
You`re right when you say that stats shouldn`t be part of the olympic game.
So please allow me some advice to your post.
* just trust in what everybody sees or know about the grow-game -
it`s simply about healthy morphology of the
Biggest yield, most efficient energy using, olympic spectrum, best turn,
highest THC, best soil, best nutrition,best temperature, best seed,
.... and much more.
The olympic idea is to bring this all together in a game.
We are lucky that in this game nearly everybody at the end can reach
part of the medal in form of a joint or cookie.
It seems that many people doesn`t matter so much if they struggle in the yield
or buy it round the corner. - Obviously as one can see on your pic you ( and many others) are different.
So I send you another olympical ingredient in form of the coolest, most efficient
led-lamp-waterheating-block i can imagine. - But only if you need hot water (?)
Its a ledlight-system going on market in Europe before X-mas.
I meassured ~ 50% of inverted energy can be used for waterheating and rewinning,
depending a bit on typ of led-chip and driver.
The drivers in the system are also watercooled in a very simple way, easy mounted
on a cheap industriell as usual aluminiumtube. It`s very easy to do a remake and realize different panelsize and spectrum.
That means in your case - as far as I can see on your pic :
100 sqfeet --- I guess min. 2000-2500 Watts.
Every hour you can use ~1250 W to heat water (here i pay 30 cents for 1,25kwh)
In a daily grow of 15h - over the year you can harvest 6843kwh - 1643$.
As a gift it brings you the coolest smd-chip-platine which is connected without
grease and other heat resistance directly with the water. As you know the advantage of low temperature
gives a lot more light-efficency and long life itself . The prices are around 1$ / real watt of lamp power. For CREE-leds and meanwell-drivers you have to pay a reasonable suplement or deal a special price for the basic coolmac. It comes as a very simple, easy to understand building-kit. Connecting input of the drivers and soldering the chips is all you have to do.
I needed 1h with 2 joints.
What you also need is water and a cube ( 10L / 100W lamp-power ) - then you fill the lamp with water which is a bit tricky shaky to get all air out of the tubes.
Another olympics is the power of the active cooling - once the watercircuit is closed the small, silent pumpy in your cube only need 2,3W and fit for systems up to 1200 real watt without any fan.
Once fullyfilled you can switch the light on and prepare the bathtube
In my case it was 13 x 20 x 1,6 inch panel / chinise fullspec. 380nm-740nm 50w cob chip with 1.5A / 34V driver
PF 96%. I tried this spectrum before and get very satis. for good results and low cost by only
18W / sqfeet while flowering under the table ( 3 feet high only ). Now I will try the same room with this lamp and fix the flat thing close to the top to win height. So I hopefully get the heat out
in summer or bring heat back to the roots during night in winter. There are plenty possibilyties what to do with led-heated water - not only in growrooms.
Greeting to all olympics and nonolympics from good old and new europe
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born2grow1
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No but this does and its no till using amare se 450 i got oker 700g of this ron dry
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Hybridway
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mahiluana
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Each KW I spend with a light-heat coupling like coolmac i harvest up to 0,65 KW of heat.
I do not use oil or gas anymore to take hot showers. 
The money I save in hot water compenses my electricity bill.
Amare ~ 25 points <---> Coolmac ~75 points
Sorry i hold the world record in energy efficiency for led-lighting because it works - but i like dry ron in my coffee
Hybridway
Well-Known Member
Yeah, but do your yields reflect that? Cuz in the end.Each KW I spend with a light-heat coupling like coolmac i harvest up to 0,65 KW of heat.
The money I save in hot water compenses my electricity bill.
Amare ~ 25 points <---> Coolmac ~75 points
but i like dry ron in my coffee
mahiluana
Well-Known Member
If i`d pull out chips and drivers of an Amare panel - and mount all on a coolmac-system
the light gains 5-10% efficiency only by driving the chips ~ 40°- 60°C cooler.
I can hang a coolmac closer to the babies - but the most important reason for
watercooling is to use the hot water to substitute oil and gas.
2-3 weeks more - and i will see if i can top my last harvest (~500g)
The space is 90x180cm and only !!! 90cm high - i use it as a table during the day
~450W of coolmac with full spec. pink 1800K , warmwhite2000K, warmwhite3500K and red orange 630nm and a bit blue 465nm (10, 30 and 50w cob chips)
I had trouble with spin mites as you can see on some leafs the little white points.
With Neem-oil this wouldn`t have happend.
Hybridway
Well-Known Member
You're certainly getting very the most possible out of your grow light, that's for sure.
Cool set-up!
Hidden in a table too. Nice!
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