Michael Moore's Last Words: Capitalism Stinks

hom36rown said:
Simple as that eh? No, its not...Econ 101: There is no such thing as a free lunch. If the hospitals are running a deficit, somebody is covering the cost...its that simple.



Thats not true, there are more MRIs in The US than anywhere else in the world. Unless you meant, MRI procedures...which may or may not be true...I don't really know.

Ummm, hello? Not every single man, woman, and child get an MRI every year, not even fuckin close. The fact is, that most MRI systems in Japan don't even break even, let alone make any profit. SOMEONE IS COVERING THE COST.......WHO COULD IT BE???????
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I meant the MRI scan, not the machine, and yes they have twice as many MRI scans performed each year than we do here.

Their system isn't a FOR PROFIT system, so making a profit isn't the intent.

Like I said, the government lets the hospitals run at a deficit if need be.

The average monthly premium in Japan for a family is less than $300 (and if your employer helps pay, they pay around 50% of that).

Who picks up the "deficit"? Why, the government does! And at the same time their premiums manage to stay much lower than ours, and everyone is covered.
 
The government does!? Well who covers the costs of the government? Oh yeah, the Japanese taxpayer...so I guess that MRI isn't REALLY $100 after all.
 
hom36rown said:
The government does!? Well who covers the costs of the government? Oh yeah, the Japanese taxpayer...so I guess that MRI isn't REALLY $100 after all.
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Interestingly enough, the Japanese income tax rate is about the same as ours, and the sales tax is 5%.
 
how do I know if it's time for my plants to be done? after this weekend it's going to get down in the 30's the leaves are starting to die. the bloobs are looking good, but it is not very fragrant. should I turn it upside down?
 
ilkhan said:
Bill Gates born to middle class teachers = richest man in the world (officially), Why? Capitalism.
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No, I'm pretty sure it's because he pioneered a technology that is now one of the most critical components to modern living, so much so that the his work (and offshoots of it) occupy a space in virtually every room of every home. :joint:
 
I am not against health care reform.

I'm against handing over 17% of the GDP to a govt. which turns everything it touches into a fiscal nightmare down the road. (tell me I'm wrong)

I'm against anything which is unconstitutional. (tell me I'm wrong)
 
I cannot really debate the constitution, because it doesn't really matter, that is like arguing the bible.

But if you figure that 1/2 is controlled by the hospitals (private) and the other 1/2 is the payers (Really mostly insurance and government right now). Through VA and Medicaid/care you have about 40% being covered by the private insurance companies now (actually I think it is the other way around, but w/e lets make the government look worse), the other 6% (Max right) that this bill covers would mean that you are looking at about 3% total that this bill gives to the government that it did not already have.

The hospitals will control the other 50% + New Government control .5(66%) + Private insurance .5(44%).


So the 17% of GDP is really an increase of 1/2 a percent increase. Giving the actual numbers for the health care to GDP 8.5% to the health care providers, 5.6% to government, and 2.9 to insurance companies (I think it would be 5.6 to private, and 2.9% to government, but again doesn't matter).
 
Arguing the constitution is like arguing the Bible. You worst comment ever. The constitution is very CLEAR on this issue.

Isn't that per chance why you don't wish to discuss it? Okay? :lol:

I don't know how you "figure" those numbers. Just made them up?

Unlike your wishful numbers, economists tell a very different story about the effects of public health care. Somehow, I feel they are more qualified.

By Obamas own numbers, the deficits begin in year 3 and start to go in only one direction .. up up and away, in our beautiful debt balloon.

The health care bill by Baucus is DOA. The left shot it down. No one liked it. This was the compromise bill. Obama was behind it. Now.... now he's not. It's a laugh riot.

Now Obama is literally hunting a bill. Any bill will do at this point. Something, anything!!! :lol:

Sound like they are FIXING anything? There is no crisis. We don't need the govt. to become a business. They know that the PPL are getting mighty pissed off. They are in a hurry to get something......
I'm sure it will be a great bill.... :roll:

Smell the coffee
 
I don't know how you "figure" those numbers. Just made them up?
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They are very easy to understand. I used your numbers btw, so did you make them up? You should know where they came from.

The health care bill by Baucus is DOA. The left shot it down. No one liked it. This was the compromise bill. Obama was behind it. Now.... now he's not. It's a laugh riot.
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The left was open to listening to it. The committee that wrote it allowed the republicans to take the lead on it, and they worked pretty hard on it, but as soon as the republicans all said nah we still won't vote for it, that was when the left said screw it whats the point trying to work with these people.

See the republicans don't gain anything with a bill being passed, so they say screw it, just say no to everything and then we can use this as our platform in 2010. You need us to do this right, so vote for us we are looking out for you!

Now Obama is literally hunting a bill. Any bill will do at this point. Something, anything!!! :lol:

Sound like they are FIXING anything? There is no crisis. We don't need the govt. to become a business. They know that the PPL are getting mighty pissed off. They are in a hurry to get something......
I'm sure it will be a great bill.... :roll:
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Obama wants something I agree. We need to fix this, you say there is no crisis, but maybe you should listen to what the economists are saying. The path we are on is going off a cliff.


Arguing the constitution is like arguing the Bible. You worst comment ever. The constitution is very CLEAR on this issue.
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Because like the bible the rules have changed so much over the years there are many ways to decide what it says is legal and not.
 
The left shot it down. Republicans have been completely shut out, don't kid urself.

Right now... there is no bill.

Yes, fixing is required.

handing it over to the govt is NOT fixing anything Han

Why can you not see that? It's so simple.... just look at the track record and lift ur head up from the spin.

Have some faith in the private sector. It has given you EVERYTHING you have....everything.

The govt. is a drag on the economy. The bigger the govt. the bigger the drag. it's documented and written in stone.

Why do you insist on punishing the unborn?
 
hanimmal said:
They are very easy to understand. I used your numbers btw, so did you make them up? You should know where they came from.
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I just LOL'ed so hard.

:wall:

^^ Mr. Smiley demonstrates a more productive alternative to debating with CrackerJax.
 
A quote from the article that started the thread:

"But I just thought: If I had to say one thing only---if all my films from this point on are going to be fiction films, or whatever---what would I say?"

I have news for you Michael ... all of your films TO THIS POINT have been fiction films. :roll:
 
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