Legalize Michigan

Lets get to work. Whatever it takes. Please join in. ITS TIME!

Lets start serious talk. With the momentum in our favor and the abuse so obvious, the public is likely willing to support ending the controversy. I called a meeting of church members, elders, special needs teachers, boy scout leaders, and youth advocates. I raised question about how to resolve the controversy our children face regarding marijuana. After a very short discussion the consensus was that cannabis should be legal and regulated. The group was about the last folks you would expect to have support from if you are a cannabis user however, our needs are not on the forefront of these folks thoughts regarding the matter but more, (with this group anyways) consider children at risk and the confusion between state and federal rights laws etc, ultimately the most damaging. I believe it is time to prove our points through legalizing cannabis and letting the results do the talking.

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on all out legalization vs decriminalization woodsman.

Am I being paranoid to think that there might be some unintended negative consequences from legalization?

Stow, I totally agree I believe legalization will lead to complete government control which will fack us in the end. Just like it is now only worse.

Of course there will be unintended negative consequences, its a war my brother, people die and already have; many have given their life and some have given their lifes work (Jack my brother, we hold you on high). As we look upon histrory we can only speculate that ending the war will most likely get ugly, get bloody, and in the end we will all weep. But in the morning, as the dew settles, we breath the air of a new found freedom that sets all souls lost, free. We demand freedom.

Woodsmantoker

Think of the hills climbed to end slavery in our country...there was not as much money involved as the drug war, nor as much acceptance. It will be ugly. It will end however, just.

st0wandgrow said:

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on all out legalization vs decriminalization woodsman.

Am I being paranoid to think that there might be some unintended negative consequences from legalization?

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Like how they're trying to take away the right to grow in either Washington or Colorado (legal states) the thought being its a necessity in order to funnel all the money to the state.

Medical marijuana in michigan will not end the drug war. Nor will legalization. But both will be important steps as each before it and there after. Legalization is a next step. Lets take it.

woodsmantoker said:

Think of the hills climbed to end slavery in our country...there was not as much money involved as the drug war, nor as much acceptance. It will be ugly. It will end however, just.

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Now we just have wage slavery and unfortunately racism is alive and well.

cephalopod said:

Like how they're trying to take away the right to grow in either Washington or Colorado (legal

states) the thought being its a necessity in order to funnel all the money to the state.

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None of what you see now has sustainability. Not the freedom of legalization in co and wa, nor the controls. Expect each battle, expect another. Until those who call you enemy of war, can no longer, expect resistance.

woodsmantoker said:

Medical marijuana in michigan will not end the drug war. Nor will legalization. But both will be important steps as each before it and there after. Legalization is a next step. Lets take it.

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I guess what I'm getting at is that if marijuana were completely legalized, money/profit would trump all else. I can envision a scenario where corporate interests (already in bed with our politicians) would monopolize the market and make it illegal for you and I to grow our own herb. Similar to alcohol. Where there's money to be made you can bet that big business and government will be hoarding the trough.

Don't get me wrong, I do not support throwing anyone in jail over a plant, so I feel that something needs to change ..... but all out legalization would open pandoras box imo. The logical compromise seems to be a legitimate medical program for folks who use marijuana as a medicine, and decriminalization for everyone else.

The value of marijuana is at its highest, illegal. Its value in the drug war fuels the war. Its the most inner revenue generating concept ever conspired. Cannabis has always been the most beneficial plant known to man. That plant is controled by one government that rules the globe. Genius.

woodsmantoker said:

The value of marijuana is at its highest, illegal. Its value in the drug war fuels the war. Its the most inner revenue generating concept ever conspired. Cannabis has always been the most beneficial plant known to man. That plant is controled by one government that rules the globe. Genius.

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Take away the financial incentive for the police, they will find something more important to do.

Dr. Bob

The value in cannabis is established by a global drug war waged by the most powerful government in the world. Without war on schedule 1 drugs, the dominance by corporate interests is impossible. Cannabis grows on every continent except Antarctica. The value is in its control, drug war, schedule 1, illegal control.

Some of the statements regarding the "potential" ills of legalization sound to me like a slave saying "well ifs I was free den I'd have to takes cares of myself and wells we know us niggas can't do that we aints gots tha brain as da white man..." the fear and ignorance are understandable, it was intended upon. The education alone that freedom would bring, i suspect, would set your worrys far aside.

Let fredom ring!

I agree legalize it.......... The courts are even helping..... They are making a big push for the legalization movement. True it may change the way we do things but we will all be free...... Finally........ And that you cannot put a price on......

woodsmantoker said:

The value in cannabis is established by a global drug war waged by the most powerful government in the world. Without war on schedule 1 drugs, the dominance by corporate interests is impossible. Cannabis grows on every continent except Antarctica. The value is in its control, drug war, schedule 1, illegal control.

Some of the statements regarding the "potential" ills of legalization sound to me like a slave saying "well ifs I was free den I'd have to takes cares of myself and wells we know us niggas can't do that we aints gots tha brain as da white man..." the education alone, that freedom would bring, would set your worrys far aside.

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Hmmm. I'm not sure I'm following your analogy.

At the end of the day I want my rights to grow this plant left alone. However that's best achieved I would support 100%. I just don't think we can have it both ways though.

St0wandgrow,

Incase I didn't directly answer your request adequatly. I believe decriminalization would be missing the mark and would only serve as a stepping stone that lead to the path of the true problem. The drug war. Illegalization. I favor ending the drug war. Legalization. Step by step, or however the waves carry us. The further I can step over the pile, I will. Less my chances of getting messy. I believe legalization in Michigan is the next step.

Maybe I am the one who doesn't understand but how I see it pal, its not compairable to anything you may be. Alchohol for instance. I don't believe people will stand for the same controls when they discover by the masses, that cannabis heals, incourages health, is a healthy diet choice etc., and was controled by repression. I suspect once legal, no one will tell you you can't fill your back forty with hemp or sativa or indica or poly hybrids of any kind. I do suspect they will be trying to buy it from you if your a good farmer though. Your only controled by knowledge or the lack there of. When you learn that someone aims to control something, that is when theybegin to loose control.

woodsmantoker said:

St0wandgrow,

Incase I didn't directly answer your request adequatly. I believe decriminalization would be missing the mark and would only serve as a stepping stone that lead to the path of the true problem. The drug war. Illegalization. I favor ending the drug war. Legalization. Step by step, or however the waves carry us. The further I can step over the pile, I will. Lessens my chances of getting messy. I believe legalization in Michigan is the next step.

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your 'penial' gland is NOT working there woodsman......(common sense)
decrim is the >>>only answer to keep it in our hands and keep big $$corps out of the loop-

complete legalization for medical(too late) .....and decrim for recreational use-

r you still advocating legalization for the g/s market down there you were promoting....??
most dispensary owners are still under the illusion that they have some protections from the lawyers running the show here...

they are really only all still open while LEO is data mining all of them....

--when they get big enough and have enough assetts for LEO to step in then they will get their wake up card....and lose everything since none of them are 1000' from schools and churches

legalization will only hand over the rights tothe plant to big pharma/tobbacco/alcohol[anhauserbusch]--

unless you havent noticed a disp license in legal states is now upwardsof 500,000$ w tightly monitored/regulated and mostly high priced shwagg weed mass produced-

mayb you havent been watching canada ....and the other 'legal' states where the ones who voted for it are now left with empty hands as far as ""access""

if you have a card you can pay alot and buy it from the liquor control board...


you can grow your little 12 plants here ""legally"" until all the regulations/zoning is in place
then only the disp will have that right in most major urban areas

woodsmantoker said:

Maybe I am the one who doesn't understand but how I see it pal, its not compairable to anything you may be. Alchohol for instance. I don't believe people will stand for the same controls when they discover by the masses, that cannabis heals, incourages health, is a healthy diet, and was controled by repression. I suspect once legal, no one will tell you you can't fill your back forty with hemp or sativa or indica or poly hybrids of any kind. I will however suspect they will be trying to buy it from you if your a good farmer. Your only controled by knowledge or the lack there of.

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I hope you're right, but we can't even grow corn, soy, etc without being bent over by Monsanto who have managed to patent our food that we eat. What would make me think that a much more profitable crop like marijuana would be treated any differently? The more beneficial that it is, the more money they stand to make by monopolizing it.

I dunno. Just thinking out loud here. I just have very little trust in our government to do the right thing, and even less trust in big corporations when there's a boat load of money to be made. The sad reality is that we don't matter. Profit/power trumps all else.