Led Tech news,gossip,innovations,secrets and more weirdos ,for the Brave DIYER !!!

stardustsailor

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As the title says :

Here you can post everything regarding News,Gossip,Innovations,Secrets and more ,for the Brave DIYER !!!

Please do not post for commercial led grow panels !
Only DIY stuff here !!!

Thank you all !
 

stardustsailor

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To make your own thermal conductive paste/grease/glue you will need two things :

A carrier .
(
usually of low electrical/thermal conductivity )

For paste/grease pure silicone grease is the most common used .

For glue ,either an 2-part epoxy ,acrylic or 1 part -silicone glue , can be used ...

Mixing with ....
A thermal conductive filler ,which ...

Can be non-dielectric such as
metallic extra-fine powders of i.e :
-Silver
-Copper
-Aluminium
-Graphite/ Graphene

Or dielectric ceramic (inorganic,non-metallic ) extra-fine( 1~10 um ) powders of :
http://www.americanberyllia.com/BeO_conductivity.html


-BeO (Beryllium Oxide- Beryllia )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryllium_oxide

-SiC (Silicon Carbide )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_carbide

-BN (Boron Nitride )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boron_nitride

Purchase link : http://www.asburystore.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BN5800-1LB

-AlN (Aluminium Nitride )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_nitride

-Al2O3 (Aluminium Oxide -Alumina )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_oxide

-CaCO3 (Calcium Carbonate )
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?18233-Thermal-Epoxy-Filler-Calcium-Carbonate-Experiment


More :

http://www.epotek.com/SSCDocs/whitepapers/Tech%20Paper%2042.pdf

http://wings.buffalo.edu/academic/department/eng/mae/cmrl/Increasing%20the%20thermal%20conductivity%20of%20boron.pdf


http://144.206.159.178/ft/200/601103/12504123.pdf

http://www.hitachi-chem.co.jp/english/report/054/54_r1.pdf

http://heatsinks.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/mcpcbs-for-led-applications.pdf

http://www.electronics-cooling.com/2009/05/thermal-conductivity-of-filled-plastics/

http://wvuscholar.wvu.edu:8881//exlibris/dtl/d3_1/apache_media/L2V4bGlicmlzL2R0bC9kM18xL2FwYWNoZV9tZWRpYS8yMDk0Nw==.pdf
 

stardustsailor

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Why ?

1) Say for the same electrical power (at plug -drivers/ballasts not included ) ..
Say 400 Watts both ....

-One GreenPower ( The king of HPS ,regarding growing plants ... ) at 400 Watts .

-And one single panel ,full of 400 pcs of Oslons LCW CQ7P.CC.
(the king of warm white leds ... ) ,driven at @ 350mA ...

For the same electrical Power :

HPS light power is ~120 Watt (~30% eff. ) .Rest goes into heat .....
Led light power is a tad more than 160 Watt (~40% =>with phosphor losses included...).The rest is heat .

~40 Watts of light power difference ...
Leds already have a 33.333 % advantage in power versus the HPS .

Leds vs HPS : 1-0 for output light quantity.....


2) Look at the spectral graphs compared ....GP vs Oslon WW...
gp vs ssl ww.jpg....

Draw your conclusions ,there ......

(One of mine ,is that if we had green & yellow leds of ~30% efficiency ..
Then...
Using a greenish/yellow & amberish/yellow combo-along with few reds ,maybe- ,
one could still grow plants ....
?

...HPS does !!!.... :-P..
So of course with red & blue leds ,one should 've gotten even better results ...
-At same wattage with the HPS ...
Do 400 Watt of r/b led combo ,yield as a 400 Watt hps ?
What about i.e Warm Whites ,then ?
Remember ...
Your conclusions ...
I'm already 've been posting and keep posting, mine ....)
So ,by far ww leds ,beat HPS regarding spectral quality,for plant growth .......

(WW Leds : If blue gets even less in power and-maybe-if red peak gets broader ,towards 660 nm ...
Although it seems just perfect with 100% at ~630 nm and 80% at 580 nm & 660 nm ..
Anyway..
Possibly ,that would've been , just it !...)

Leds vs HPS : 2-0 for output light quality

3) Now ....
We mentioned that leds produce less heat ...=> better environment ..
Also they do not radiate the heat onto the leaf canopy ,drying it up .....
Less water needs ....Less heat stress ..Increased rates of photosynthesis ...

Leds vs HPS : 3-0
for less heat and better environment .

We mentioned also , that leds are all together in one single panel of 400 W ...
Say we make them 10 panels of 40 Watts....
Better light distribution there ....
Hmmmm..

Leds vs HPS : 4-0
for direction and light distribution .

Leds do not need 4000 Volts to ignite &
do not tend to break if splashed with water ,
spraying all over plants (and possibly the grower ) burning-meltin' hot caustic Na(Sodium) and mercury ..
Leds do not emmit RF or show a "heat trace"* .
{*too much heat concentrated in small area vs same heat or less ,distributed in large area =>heatsink(s).}
Leds do not burn hands & heads whist grower watering/attending the plants ,or
neither can set on fire his clothes,hair,ect.

Leds vs HPS : 5-0
for safety .

Led Drivers , are usually more efficient than best digital ballasts,
let alone the analog ones ,....
Leds can be operated from least to full power (dimming/switching/ect).

Leds vs HPS : 5-0 for economy...

Leds live longer ...
(Average ~50.000 h to drop to 70% of initial output )
Long live the leds !

Leds vs HPS : 6-0
.. for longetivity ...
....

7...
8...
9....
10...
Knock -out !

:-P
 

stardustsailor

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[h=1]....in Strong White Light: Revisiting the Enigmatic Question of Why Leaves are Green .[/h]
If we analyze the changes in the PPFD and spectrum of daylight with time of day in the natural environment, it would be possible to compare the efficiencies of green and other monochromatic lights in an ecological context. The method enables us to measure in situ quantum yield and opens the way to obtaining ecologically meaningful action spectra. Further studies are, of course, awaited.

Although the light absorption profiles calculated by Nishio (2000) are spurious (Vogelmann and Evans 2002), his argument has nevertheless been proven experimentally to be correct using our differential quantum yield method. Namely, red light is more effective than green light in white light at low PPFDs, but as PPFD increases, light energy absorbed by the uppermost chloroplasts tends to be dissipated as heat, while penetrating green light increases photosynthesis by exciting chloroplasts located deep in the mesophyll. Thus, for leaves, it could be adaptive to use chlorophylls as photosynthetic pigments, because, by having chlorophyll with a ‘green window’ the leaves are able to maintain high quantum yields for the whole leaf in both weak and strong light conditions.
Some green algae such as Codium fragile and Ulva pertusa, inhabiting the deepest part of the green algae zonation, appear very black, because they contain a keto-carotenoid, siphonaxanthin, which absorbs green light with a peak at 535 nm and transfers energy to chlorophylls with an efficiency of 1.0 (Kageyama et al. 1977, Akimoto et al. 2004, Akimoto et al. 2007). Because the peak of available PPFD shifts toward blue wavelengths with depth of sea-water, it has been argued that siphonaxanthin is a useful carotenoid to absorb green light. If leaves of land plants had black chloroplasts with siphonaxanthin, the leaves could close the so-called ‘green window’ and increase their absorptance. If the carboxylation enzyme, Rubisco, were very efficient, land plants would indeed be able to have thin black leaves. However, having the inefficient Rubisco as their primary carboxylation enzyme, leaves receiving high light need considerable chloroplast volumes to contain it (Terashima et al. 2005, Terashima et al. 2006). Moreover, to supply CO[SUB]2[/SUB] efficiently to the chloroplasts, the leaf also needs a large cumulative cell surface area per leaf area, so the chloroplasts must be distributed throughout the leaf (Terashima et al. 2001, Terashima et al. 2005, Terashima et al. 2006). Given these constraints, it would be ideal to have chlorophyll that enables considerable light absorptance, due to the high absorptivity of blue and red light, but also penetration of green light to the lower chloroplasts. As Nishio (2000) argued, this may explain why land plants adopted Chl a and b from green algae but did not develop other pigment systems.
If a gradient in the ratio of Rubisco to photosynthetic pigments freely changes in response to PPFD, leaves could exist with black chloroplasts containing both chlorophylls and siphonaxanthin. When light absorption is plotted against the cumulative black pigment content for such leaves, the gradient would be very steep, because absorption coefficients would now be high for green as well as blue and red light. In the upper chloroplasts, the ratio of Rubisco to black pigments would then need to be very large but to decrease drastically with depth. Noting that the dynamic range of acclimational modification of chloroplast properties is limited within a given species, it would be impossible to counterbalance the profile of light absorption by drastically changing the Rubisco/black pigment ratio. It is, therefore, worth mentioning again that, by having chlorophylls with a ‘green window’ to the most abundant photosynthetically active wavelengths of solar radiation, green leaves have succeeded in moderating the intra-leaf light gradient to a considerable extent.
http://pcp.oxfordjournals.org/content/50/4/684.full
 

PetFlora

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Is this dumb or genius? How about interchangeable RP covers instead of mixing leds? You might also find that 3w leds would excite the PRP cover better- maybe more efficiently
 

Bumping Spheda

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What, like a cylinder shaped RP lens that slowly rotates around the mixing chamber while also slowly changing in CCT to mimic the Sun's color change during the course of the day?
 

PetFlora

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No, like prefabbed lens covers, but for the entire panel. Hell you might only need 3 @ 10w leds say 2 WW + 1 NW
 

stardustsailor

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Well ...
Maybe soon PC leds and remote phosphors are going to have their place in led's museum .....

Check this ....


Technology | Light Generation | May 24, 2013

[h=1]New Family of Tiny Crystals Glow Bright in LED Lights[/h] Light-emitting diodes, better known as LEDs, offer substantial energy savings over incandescent and fluorescent lights and are easily produced in single colors such as red or green commonly used in traffic lights or children's toys. Developing an LED that emits a broad spectrum of warm white light on par with sunlight has proven tricky, however. LEDs, which produce light by passing electrons through a semiconductor material, often are coupled with materials called phosphors that glow when excited by radiation from the LED. Minuscule crystals that glow different colors may be the missing ingredient for white LED lighting that illuminates homes and offices as effectively as natural sunlight.


http://www.led-professional.com/technology/light-generation/new-family-of-tiny-crystals-glow-bright-in-led-lights
 
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