Led Growing Is The Way Of The Future My Friends
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No I did not sell my soul, no I have not argued for a hundred pages, and I don't need to unless people like you who don't want to find the proof and have never even grown with an LED (good or crappy) spend their time simply saying it sucks/doesn't work/can'tcompete/etc
Do you have a problem with people arguing? At least I've used both types of lighting...
and AGAIN I have not argued LED>HPS across the board, I keep talking about the pros and cons of each don't I? Please pay more attention to what I actually say, and less to what you think I'm not saying* (stuff like I smoke or use bongs, sold my soul, that I sell anything or even LED, etc). If I can chat in here without doing it, why can't you?
*I usually try to say "can" instead of "will", but I mess up sometimes thinking about crappy LED panels vs good ones (watt for watt crappy LED can't compete with HPS, but good LED panels can****** that is what I mean to say when I accidentally use will instead of ca)
I paid $700 or 800, it arrived about a week later, then a week after that I paid the rest of the $1100 total (I did all this so I'd get the type of light I wanted without having to wait until I could afford it and another one was in stock which was over a month because of financial circumstances/obligations at the time). I clearly explained that it was not free and I paid for it already... ***In retrospect I should have just spent the 700 I had at the time one the best one I could afford, would have been a less excessive amount of power used for my space
PS: I got the deal by saying I'd get the 395w if I could make 2 payment, or the 290 if I couldn't (gave em a $400 incentive to help me out a little). But yeah now that I've actually used it, I realize I should have just gone with the 290 (wanted to play it safe in case it wasn't as good as the evidence led me to believe)
People who buy a more powerful LED in case LED isn't as good as it was for all the completed journals they read (or is as bad as people like you claim), the same people who do so and then realize LED is better than they expected and the naysayers claimed and bought twice as much power as they needed? People like me? No its not crazy talk, its 100% true and really happened. You don't have to believe LED can work, you just need to stop saying it can't and acting like people who say you're wrong are crazy or you make stuff up about them (because you're just flat out wrong). I asked about trading in my 395w for a 290w, but changed my mind.
PS: also one of the points of going LED is supposed be using less electricity than with other lighting, well if I found that I had bought almost twice as much LED power as I needed it makes sense for me to downgrade. Gets me money back, and I'll save on electricity.
These plants have been in 12/12 since the 1st of the month but these pics were from 2 days ago except the purple one was 4 days ago (and the older one to prove their is an LED in there), I'm still paranoid about over feeding even with organic nutes (so they've managed to get a bit hungry and lose a few leaves) oops I guess that doesn't prove they were LED let me get them from under the LED light. This will be a grow that helps prove LED can really flower, I ended my last LED flowering 2-3 weeks earlier than I should have because I wanted to get started on this grow (and my patient was going to have run out of medicine if I hadn't). So I won't have really impressive pics for another 4-6 weeks and they should finish in about 8 weeks unless the LED light somehow makes them take less/longer to flower (not sure if it does or not?) *i do have pics of the plants that flowered under the LED for 8oftheir9 weeks of 12-12 even though they should have gotten 11-12 if anyone wants to see those.
** Have been vegging with it at 2ft, and have slowly lowered the light down to 14inches for 12/12
I didn't say they did, and in fact explained how they wouldn't prove anything for weeks... Can you please read what I say?
* far more of the power put into LEDs is turned into light useable by plants than with HPS the majority of the power (75-80% in most cases) is wasted on useless wavelengths and lots of heat. I don't have enough light to burn my plants, but I have enough that if I'm not careful the nodes will grow too close together (because I put twice the power in a small tent as I should have, much better reflection and light intensity than normal). The plants I put under the LED at 2ft from pop grew slowly in overall the size the first month, because they were pushing new nodes everywhere so much that they all grew slowly), the plants that had 5-7 days under CFL first didn't have this problem because they had some time to grow a couple pairs of energy leaves before going into uber node production. I had my light in a tent twice as big, I doubt I'd have that issue. This helps explain a bit more why I wanted to exchange the 395w in for a 290.
i wish i had your problems.......too much light ....plants too short and bushy............gimme a break already ..........your pics will never prove anything.......when i go to buy something if i dont got the cash they dont sell it to me they dont tell me i can pay em the rest next week ........that sounds fishy..........hell of a nice company u work for....i mean bought from... u said your patient .....meaning one ....was going to run out???????? u cant supply yourself and one other person with your led?
No, because I did not always have an LED I was not able to grow for as much time during the year. Which meant I wasn't always able to keep up 100% The LED will actually fix this because it doubles the amount of time I have to grow in the year with how little heat it makes. Again, the plants that had even 5 days under CFL did not get slowed down the first month easy fix as most people don't do seedlings under their main grow light anyway. Also: plants turn out to be male/herm sometimes, seeds don't germ, etc
People advise you to keep a powerful light away from seedlings, well I didn't keep my powerful light far enough from my seedlings. It seems as little as 4 or 5 days of CFL for seedlings is enough to move them under the LED without issue from there on.
And again I told you how I got them to do it, by telling them I would buy the $1100 instead of the $700. They also set it up right via pay pal so it would require 2 payments and even by a certain date. Nothing fishy at all thanks, if I hadn't paid I'd have gotten in a lot of trouble.
Are you finally done trying to pick me apart or will you finally admit there might be some truth to the fact that LED *can* (if you buy one with the right specs) work well and be a viable option for some (more small growers, less commercial grows). I haven't seen you try and actually show that LED can't do anything, or prove that HPS is even better, you just keep trying to make me look bad by insinuating things and just saying it won't work. Go ahead and show me a crappy LED grow, I will show you how it had shitty 1w diodes with super wide 120 or higher lens angles run at a fraction of the wattage they should be. For every completed crappy LED grow you give me, I will try and match it with a good LED grow. I'm sure there are others here who could chime in with me if you haven't gotten them to leave with all this smack you've been talking.
3w diodes driven 50-75%, lens angles less than 100 degrees, and 7-12 spectrums is where it is at. Not the crappy 1w diode not even proper wavelength panels that are most of what you've seen (if not all, have you seen ANY good LED grows?).
if you cant grow enough for yourself and one other person to last the whole year with one lousy grow then u should have bought a book instead of your led ...........if u have a patient means your legal .....have u ever tried the sun?? i hear it works great in the summer............dood...im not trying to be a jerk im trying to get u a lil overtime...........
Harrekin
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People who buy a more powerful LED in case LED isn't as good as it was for all the completed journals they read (or is as bad as people like you claim), the same people who do so and then realize LED is better than they expected and the naysayers claimed and bought twice as much power as they needed? People like me? No its not crazy talk, its 100% true and really happened. You don't have to believe LED can work, you just need to stop saying it can't and acting like people who say you're wrong are crazy or you make stuff up about them (because you're just flat out wrong). I asked about trading in my 395w for a 290w, but changed my mind.
PS: also one of the points of going LED is supposed be using less electricity than with other lighting, well if I found that I had bought almost twice as much LED power as I needed it makes sense for me to downgrade. Gets me money back, and I'll save on electricity.
These plants have been in 12/12 since the 1st of the month but these pics were from 2 days ago except the purple one was 4 days ago (and the older one to prove their is an LED in there), I'm still paranoid about over feeding even with organic nutes (so they've managed to get a bit hungry and lose a few leaves) oops I guess that doesn't prove they were LED let me get them from under the LED light. This will be a grow that helps prove LED can really flower, I ended my last LED flowering 2-3 weeks earlier than I should have because I wanted to get started on this grow (and my patient was going to have run out of medicine if I hadn't). So I won't have really impressive pics for another 4-6 weeks and they should finish in about 8 weeks unless the LED light somehow makes them take less/longer to flower (not sure if it does or not?) *i do have pics of the plants that flowered under the LED for 8oftheir9 weeks of 12-12 even though they should have gotten 11-12 if anyone wants to see those.
** Have been vegging with it at 2ft, and have slowly lowered the light down to 14inches for 12/12
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Dude,where's your pisils for over 2 weeks of 12/12? I already had tops and crystal forming at 2 weeks of 12/12 under a 400w HPS...less stretch too and mine are a sativa dominant hybrid.
puffenuff
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Wow, thought I had just about read all the LED threads on RIU, then I found this one just now...20 something pages of bickering between doubters and led users...what else is new? I just have to say I just cropped my first plant grown strictly under led with more to be chopped in the next week or so and I am very happy with the results. Frosty nugs with substance to them and the heat was never an issue and my power bill has never been cheaper while operating a grow. I currently have a 600w hps in one room and my leds in another...lets just say before the year's end I will have sold my hps equipments and switched entirely to leds. Im not an idiot or a beginner either. I just recognize performance and efficiency.
Um, small tent, and you have no idea how much my patient consumes do you? Thanks for playing. And just because someone has a patient doesn't mean the area they live in is hospitable enough to risk growing outside. Thanks for playing again. I don't mean to say you're a jerk, I don't think you are, I just think you are being unreasonable with all the stuff you keep making up.
And harrekin if you read that post again you will realize the plants were not "over 2 weeks of 12/12" in those pics and that they were only 11-13 days tops of 12/12 at that point. The post was made on the 15th, the most updated pics were 2 and 4 days old, and the old ones were obviously from before 12/12. Flowering clearly started 3 days into 12/12, took me almost a week with my 400w HPS each time before. Please don't be so quick to judge, as again I clearly told people they wouldn't be pics capable of proving anything for several more weeks (and they won't be done for 8-9weeks more).
PS: the 4th plant (was most impressive) I had in there turned out to be a male (even though it only showed female preflowers...)
PSS: I'll try and get some more convincing pictures from today, gotta figure out again how to get the damn magnifying glass to work with the crappy camera I have
PSSS: Ok here are some pics I just took, THESE are day 16 of 12/12. Nirvana Ice 10 week strain according to them (which probably means 11-12 haha). They seemed to have like their early flower stretch, as they kept their nodes a lot tighter during veg with the light at 2ft, didn't start lowering light for flower until a week ago. It was getting difficult to make room for all the tops (so I tried to tuck everything to the outside perimeter so the inside could get light and start more tops).
PSSSS: These plants vegged and had their first week of 12/12 under a 400w HPS, then the 395w LED came and they had 8 more weeks of 12/12 (even though most were rated as 12 week strains). Makes me wonder how much better they would have looked had I kept them going for another 2-3 weeks
Jmayne Chronic
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wow very interesting, never thought LEDs would work so well, but of course they can cover a MASSIVE spectrum, ive personally heard of people making their own, by putting various small differently colored bulbs, connected all on one bulb to produce a wide spectrum, making a veritable blacklight of sorts. im more of a CFL guy myself but to each their own.
Well I'm not sure how many are really useful. One point of LED is to not waste power on spectrums/wavelengths that come along with using say HPS. I haven't seen any LED company go over 12 wavelengths, so I think there might only be 12 wavelengths that are useful for cannabis that anyone knows about. Seems to be several reds, maybe a couples oranges, couple blues, white (which puts out red/blue/green or something wacky like that), UV, and another one that humans can't really see. But in the world of LED company BS advertising, nobody has yet to claim more than 12 wavelengths that I've seen, nobody is willing to bullshit into that territory so I take it as a sign that 12 is where its at (and the best results I've seen were usually with 12 wavelength panels). I do see companies refer to it as full spectrum LED
Again wayno30, I don't sell LEDs. Could you please just go away or stop commenting if you are just going to continue and make stuff up about me with your posts? I get that you think HPS is vastly superior to LED, but this is a thread about LED being the future, and me and others believe that future is here. And all you are doing is making crap up about me, and just flatly stating that LED sucks/can't work.
Harrekin
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Noone is flatly saying they're crap and don't work,if you wanna spend 15x as much on a light then go ahead,but for their price they are a ripoff and for the moment are a bit crap compared to conventional light sources.
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