Leaf signs

You may be overthinking things. To my eyes it looks like you're overwatering based on your leaves. Mine are outdoors and they seem to need water every 2=3 days depending on how hot it gets. I don't water until he earliest signs of droop. I check them several times a day so it's not like the droop gets pronounced. I'm not sure how much good top dressing with the same soil the plant is growing in would do. They look undernourished to me, probably should have been using Grow Big after the roots filled the pots and Tiger bloom or something now. Nots sure if it's a good idea now to start experimenting with nutes though

humidity issue .60-70% humidity in veg and 40% in flower . looks like you have been in the 35% range the entire grow . i struggle with keeping my humidity up and past the 40% range in veg with out a humidifier but when i use one and get my range more in the 50-60% range my plants grow better
its the hole vpd stuff lol that old thing

obijohn said:

You may be overthinking things. To my eyes it looks like you're overwatering based on your leaves. Mine are outdoors and they seem to need water every 2=3 days depending on how hot it gets. I don't water until he earliest signs of droop. I check them several times a day so it's not like the droop gets pronounced. I'm not sure how much good top dressing with the same soil the plant is growing in would do. They look undernourished to me, probably should have been using Grow Big after the roots filled the pots and Tiger bloom or something now. Nots sure if it's a good idea now to start experimenting with nutes though

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This whole grow is experimental but I know what you mean. I can test things out, I did try dryback and it wilted my 2x2 and almost died but returned to life by keeping soil a certain level moist, not to be stubborn, just hurts to think about happening again, you can see where the last trail of damage was from that still.

All the good growth on my 2x2 was result of keeping wetter, the ffof actually has coco like drainage properties. I read up some on adding some ferts to every 2nd or 3rd watering, I do have some maxi series. I can test it. My 2x2 is running out of space for top dressing and may need ferts because roots are hugging top surfact of soil, it can barely move around.

Roots been going crazy since keeping wet but open to all advice, this is my first soil grow in years.

2x2 is going great. On beginning second week flower.

Upon looking at calendar and leaves, it will need top dressing this friday. Gave me 3 weeks of good growth but I don’t know if people leave tons of space behind so they can top dress a few times or remove top layer and top dress. I could use maxi at low dose every 3rd watering but wow EC runoff 4.3.

Not sure if I would be creating too high ppm of soil, I cant find much on this and what it should be, or if its another debate if to check runoff or only go off leaf signs and what goes in. Willing to keep learning, this is what I meant by experimental grow, just trying to learn dirt.

edit oh ok i just read a lot of that ppm is unavailable needing to be broken down but thats the most useful thing i read so far on that.

The cut is wilted and on its way to trash. Will take more and use rapid root plugs and try again. Running a dank strain after this, kongs krush & french macoron but want to figure out how to clone by then. I read it all on what to do just need time.

I decided to through a dab of maxi powder into my watering bottle that helps portion what is needed and how much used noted. As can see it is very very light pink, just a little bit. Seeing what that does.

Each day I can manage to craw by, I am seeing yield. Hopefully giving some salts can give it what ever it is chewing itself for. I want to buy a press before this is done and press it and call it space jam.

The 1x1 may be too far in to fix but still seeing how far I can go considering grows I have seen with no leaf matter. I saw how branches can still grow leaves well late into flower. One said over fed with ppm but the plant grew lighter in color the whole time and being in a small pot id think a lot of nutes were washed away.

I guess I was right when I was a nerd for coco saying soil is too polarized in practices that Id get lost in between and end up here. Willing to keep trying. The 2x2 looked great for a week then pale but still better but now its getting deficient or burning up depending who you ask but I have plenty of leeway to fix the 2x2 so this thread aint over yet.

Take a look tell me what you think, I am feeding with a dab of maxi in water, very light dose, first time today. The next nute feed I would wait for yalls feed back before doing anything more but I called it out as under fed and needing something asap and top dressing with fresh soil I had no space in oot to do and frankly it did not feed plant alone very well.

And about dryback, this picture is a snap shot in moment today that I found it to be more dry than usual probably because its in flower and has a huge root system but leaves look boarderline wilted which happens when it dries, but leafs couldnt look any better when kept wet so that is why I cant help but keep watering.

High ec and ph probably out of whack. Coupled with overwatering, the rootzone likely has nasties in it. I’d try to soak the roots in h2o2/water mixture to kill off any bad bacteria and then (after a day or two to let h2o2 neutralize) use recharge or some other bennies to reinoculate the soil

my water comes out 9.5+ ph so if I don’t pH it, I will have problems down the road… do not water with such alkaline water. Use ph down

dwc420letsgo said:

High ec and ph probably out of whack. Coupled with overwatering, the rootzone likely has nasties in it. I’d try to soak the roots in h2o2/water mixture to kill off any bad bacteria and then (after a day or two to let h2o2 neutralize) use recharge or some other bennies to reinoculate the soil

my water comes out 9.5+ ph so if I don’t pH it, I will have problems down the road… do not water with such alkaline water. Use ph down

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To what ph? Bennies from where? I thought ph up and down have sterilizing properties to them. I never bought microbes other than hydrogaurd. You said “or” I do have gro and maxi powder from coco growing. I could just do that? Where do you stand with tap water killing off microbes, that ut does or doesn’t?

When I said answers would be polerized I am still hearing them all out and the point of this 2x2 is just have a tent some where building dirt knowledge. Ive never seen it get to the point where it is more labor than coco correct if I am wrong.

What is a good ec runoff for soil? Or inside the soil?

medidedicated said:

To what ph? Bennies from where? I thought ph up and down have sterilizing properties to them. I never bought microbes other than hydrogaurd. You said “or” I do have gro and maxi powder from coco growing. I could just do that? Where do you stand with tap water killing off microbes, that ut does or doesn’t?

When I said answers would be polerized I am still hearing them all out and the point of this 2x2 is just have a tent some where building dirt knowledge. Ive never seen it get to the point where it is more labor than coco correct if I am wrong.

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It should be easier but you have made it difficult. If using soil, ph should be between 6.0-7.0. If u water everytime between these range, u shouldn’t be having ph problems unless something else is going on (ie. salt buildup, nasty bacteria, etc). Why are you using hydroguard on soil anyways, I thought that was for dwc style grows? You don’t need bennies but they help a lot (I use recharge in my living soil, mammoth p and fish shit)

medidedicated said:

What is a good ec runoff for soil? Or inside the soil?

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Try for a 2.0-2.5 target and see how your plants respond

beansin said:

humidity issue .60-70% humidity in veg and 40% in flower . looks like you have been in the 35% range the entire grow . i struggle with keeping my humidity up and past the 40% range in veg with out a humidifier but when i use one and get my range more in the 50-60% range my plants grow better
its the hole vpd stuff lol that old thing

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I run super low RH and don’t have issues. Yes it’s best to stay in the VPD range but the issue here is way over fed. With plants less is more.

medidedicated said:

To what ph? Bennies from where? I thought ph up and down have sterilizing properties to them. I never bought microbes other than hydrogaurd. You said “or” I do have gro and maxi powder from coco growing. I could just do that? Where do you stand with tap water killing off microbes, that ut does or doesn’t?

When I said answers would be polerized I am still hearing them all out and the point of this 2x2 is just have a tent some where building dirt knowledge. Ive never seen it get to the point where it is more labor than coco correct if I am wrong.

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I have always said soil is way more work than coco. I know exactly what my coco needs every single day. With soil I can’t tell what it needs or doesn’t need as I’m not a soil guy. I hate soil always got pest and never have good growth with it even under same lighting. Hydro out grows soil in my experience.

dwc420letsgo said:

It should be easier but you have made it difficult. If using soil, ph should be between 6.0-7.0. If u water everytime between these range, u shouldn’t be having ph problems unless something else is going on (ie. salt buildup, nasty bacteria, etc). Why are you using hydroguard on soil anyways, I thought that was for dwc style grows? You don’t need bennies but they help a lot (I use recharge in my living soil, mammoth p and fish shit)

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I have hydro gaurd from coco which turned out not needed for ovious reasons, I grew sterile coco. Just don’t know where to get microbes never looked into it before.

Bennies is a new slang term to me maybe misunderstanding, it is benificial microbes right? And youre just saying what you recharge with?

Where do you stand on dry backs? It has been suggested but my plants just perk and perk as soil dries then it just wilts and dies and my latest 2x2 picture, leaves are looking rough already with dry soil or is it related to all these other conditions?

I will make some adjustments, I want to make these work and keep doing it.

IMO soil is better in bigger pots treating like living soil… it’s the only way I’ve gotten soil to work for me (2x4 raised bed, no till). Evertime I try soil in a 5 gal pot, I fail towards the end of flower.
like the other guy said, coco is very easy once u get the hang of it. Very easy to flush media if thing start going wrong.

Treesomewanted77 said:

I have always said soil is way more work than coco. I know exactly what my coco needs every single day. With soil I can’t tell what it needs or doesn’t need as I’m not a soil guy. I hate soil always got pest and never have good growth with it even under same lighting. Hydro out grows soil in my experience.

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Yea that is what I liked about coco and still do but setting up the costly pumps or half diy ing a set up is one thing but even once it is set up the trade off with me is yes it will grow easy and better but all that water management drives me mildly insane. Nightmares of runoff flooding and resivoirs running dry or disconnecting just wow.

Wanting to sleep dearly but have gallons of water to prepare so ph can stabilize to adjust it.

I never got to but will next time, set things up so its minimal work as possible but I still think its a bit of work. Even with these soil suggestions I am not over whelmed, I thought people do soil for a reason, once you know what you are doing all the equipment and etc with coco is engineered into the pot I just find that awesome.

medidedicated said:

I have hydro gaurd from coco which turned out not needed for ovious reasons, I grew sterile coco. Just don’t know where to get microbes never looked into it before.

Bennies is a new slang term to me maybe misunderstanding, it is benificial microbes right? And youre just saying what you recharge with?

Where do you stand on dry backs? It has been suggested but my plants just perk and perk as soil dries then it just wilts and dies and my latest 2x2 picture, leaves are looking rough already with dry soil or is it related to all these other conditions?

I will make some adjustments, I want to make these work and keep doing it.

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Yes, bennies = beneficial bacteria. Real growers recharge is what I meant, very good stuff.
In soil, you don’t want it all to dry out as it will become hydrophobic and the good bacteria that breaks down the organic matter in the soil starts dying off. You want to have the soil wet but not oversaturated; once the top two inches of the soil dry out, give a little bit of water to remoisten.
if you used compost, this should also have some life in it that will help the soil.

Thanks for the help yall I will impliment this asap I just know this is where people go wrong but have plenty of good info to make informed action. I don’t think dirt is obsolete like blurples it is like hps/cmh vs led, both are plenty populated with users.

I remember starting back up with coco and thinking everyone was switching to it, would hear people online saying oh yeah everyones doing it now but as I built time lurking here I noticed dirt is still very well practiced and has its perks.

Damn, looking at my 2x2 this morning, somethings unfolding quick, dots everywhere and pale leaves.

As I understand it @dwc420letsgo , start PH’ing to 6-7.0. Flush to 2.0-2.5EC then water with peroxide (how much per gallon?) then two days or so later add recharge.

You are saying the flushed soil will feed the plant? It is fox farm ocean forest that was top dressed with more but is about 30 days ago since I did that. I am skeptical that it will be hungry, or will the new microbes help break down the current EC and in turn feed plant?

I looked up recharge and am going to buy it. Says healthier plants in 48hrs, I could use that. At any point would you use maxi series powder and how much a gallon or EC?