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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Justin-case said:
Your bigotry in no way shape or form resembles the beauty of a woman. It's more like Trump's neck vagina, wrong on all accounts, you don't want to see but can't help yourself.

But please, tell us more about how you think it's polite to hang no negroes allowed signs outside public businesses?
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Oh, the sign itself is disgusting. I mean who would want to exclude potential customers on something as superficial as skin color? Sounds rather backward and racist. It is, however polite to notice people of our intentions for how we will or won't use our property though.

Of course, people who would force a black guy to serve them, like you, should be polite enough to notice others of their intentions don't you think?

I mean, you do have a t-shirt or something announcing that you are okay with forcing a black guy to use his body to serve you, even if he'd prefer not to, right?

I'm curious why you look at Trump and see a vagina though. Does he arouse you ?
 
trippnface

trippnface

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rollitup said:
when there was little debate, you're still mad that I refused to allow you to campaign against cannabis legalization. :roll:
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No... you ran off members that advocated for actual Legalization bills, not big business bills ( prop 64). Prop 64 was quite literally the worst of the Legalization bills. Patients have a harder time now getting clean & cheap meds than before. The only people getting Cannabis easier are out of State tourists. The trim scene has been completely destroyed, going to start seeing alot more shitty looking flower.

Big ups though!

You sure think you nailed it.

I am glad the Government regulating how much Cannabis you have ( 6 plants max, under threat of fine & jail.) is ok with you.

You obviously don't understand the difference between Legalization and Regulation.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Rob Roy said:
Oh, the sign itself is disgusting. I mean who would want to exclude potential customers on something as superficial as skin color? Sounds rather backward and racist. It is, however polite to notice people of our intentions for how we will or won't use our property though.

Of course, people who would force a black guy to serve them, like you, should be polite enough to notice others of their intentions don't you think?

I mean, you do have a t-shirt or something announcing that you are okay with forcing a black guy to use his body to serve you, even if he'd prefer not to, right?

I'm curious why you look at Trump and see a vagina though. Does he arouse you ?
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you do not have a right to deny service to people based on their skin color, and it is not "polite and reasonable" to hang signs excluding black people

please stop spamming us with your klan bullshit
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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i·de·al·ism
īˈdē(ə)ˌlizəm/
noun
noun: idealism
  1. 1.
    the practice of forming or pursuing ideals, especially unrealistically.
    "the idealism of youth"
    • (in art or literature) the representation of things in ideal or idealized form.
  2. 2.
    Philosophy
    any of various systems of thought in which the objects of knowledge are held to be in some way dependent on the activity of mind.
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prag·ma·tism
ˈpraɡməˌtizəm/
noun
noun: pragmatism
  1. 1.
    a pragmatic attitude or policy.
    "ideology was tempered with pragmatism"
  2. 2.
    Philosophy
    an approach that assesses the truth of meaning of theories or beliefs in terms of the success of their practical application
while there are problems with both approaches, idealist are usually disappointed because they didn't get what they want...pragmatist take what they can get and move on. there's no way you can get the government to give you what you want all at once. you take what they give you, and slowly turn it into what you wanted it to be, in small steps. once you change the accepted meaning, the accepted practice, then you have what you wanted.....just not NOW....so idealist are mad, and say the pragmatist aren't right, that they don't have the courage to fight for what they want....and i say pragmatists get what they want eventually....and live to enjoy it
 
potroastV2

potroastV2

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trippnface said:
No... you ran off members that advocated for actual Legalization bills, not big business bills ( prop 64). Prop 64 was quite literally the worst of the Legalization bills. Patients have a harder time now getting clean & cheap meds than before. The only people getting Cannabis easier are out of State tourists. The trim scene has been completely destroyed, going to start seeing alot more shitty looking flower.

Big ups though!

You sure think you nailed it.

I am glad the Government regulating how much Cannabis you have ( 6 plants max, under threat of fine & jail.) is ok with you.

You obviously don't understand the difference between Legalization and Regulation.
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heehee nice one!

That's exactly what a prohibitionist spouting right-wing rhetoric would say.

You're a neocon.


:mrgreen:
 
londonfog

londonfog

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trippnface said:
No... you ran off members that advocated for actual Legalization bills, not big business bills ( prop 64). Prop 64 was quite literally the worst of the Legalization bills. Patients have a harder time now getting clean & cheap meds than before. The only people getting Cannabis easier are out of State tourists. The trim scene has been completely destroyed, going to start seeing alot more shitty looking flower.

Big ups though!

You sure think you nailed it.

I am glad the Government regulating how much Cannabis you have ( 6 plants max, under threat of fine & jail.) is ok with you.

You obviously don't understand the difference between Legalization and Regulation.
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and what was your proposal ?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i don't agree, i don't think he's a prohibitionist, i think he's a young idealist. he wants it all or he wants nothing. a prohibitionist would just argue against it ever being legalized, they wouldn't be promoting true legalization.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/neoconservatism

he doesn't seem to fit this definition, to me...
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All or nothing. All was unacceptable to the majority in CA. So all meant nothing . What the so-called idealist is really standing for is nothing or nothing.

The majority was not accepting of free pot everywhere without restrictions because the majority want a regulated market as with alcoholic beverages. Probably tax revenues fit into the equation for why the measure passed too. I'd be glad to see a rational explanation for why people say "Big Pharma was behind" the measure. I don't get that part of the argument.

If I compare Oregon's to California's pot laws, I prefer Oregon's but I'm glad CA made the great leap forward. I support progress even if the only bill that could pass was flawed.
 
potroastV2

potroastV2

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Fogdog said:
All or nothing. All was unacceptable to the majority in CA. So all meant nothing . What the so-called idealist is really standing for is nothing or nothing.

The majority was not accepting of free pot everywhere without restrictions because the majority want a regulated market as with alcoholic beverages. Probably tax revenues fit into the equation for why the measure passed too. I'd be glad to see a rational explanation for why people say "Big Pharma was behind" the measure. I don't get that part of the argument.

If I compare Oregon's to California's pot laws, I prefer Oregon's but I'm glad CA made the great leap forward. I support progress even if the only bill that could pass was flawed.
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Very true, Man. Our law is flawed, and many changes have been made before the roll out, and there will be many more improvements made until it works the way we want. I like Oregon law too, but it also has flaws, and I know people who complain about it. That will be improved too.

Exactly what the idealists want will never happen from the outset. They cannot understand that it's best to "just pass it, and we will improve it."


:mrgreen:
 
londonfog

londonfog

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rollitup said:
Very true, Man. Our law is flawed, and many changes have been made before the roll out, and there will be many more improvements made until it works the way we want. I like Oregon law too, but it also has flaws, and I know people who complain about it. That will be improved too.

Exactly what the idealists want will never happen from the outset. They cannot understand that it's best to "just pass it, and we will improve it."


:mrgreen:
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At least you guys can have some kind of relief. Imagine not having any. Hell people going to jail for growing one fucking plant in some states still.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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rollitup said:
Very true, Man. Our law is flawed, and many changes have been made before the roll out, and there will be many more improvements made until it works the way we want. I like Oregon law too, but it also has flaws, and I know people who complain about it. That will be improved too.

Exactly what the idealists want will never happen from the outset. They cannot understand that it's best to "just pass it, and we will improve it."


:mrgreen:
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True that.

Just curious, what kind of complaints have you heard regarding Oregon's laws? I see plenty of inconsistency between limits on number of plants for home grower (4 plants) and limits on amount one can possess (4 ounces).
 
Sour Wreck

Sour Wreck

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i'm just gonna be honest. 4 plants won't work for me.

fuck da man !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: i mean i support legalization for us, but it just won't work for me personally.
 
Sour Wreck

Sour Wreck

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londonfog said:
understood. Breeding is very important part of creating. Thank you for your service
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thanks, but you don't owe me appreciation, but i thank you.

it's just an art to me. the plant is special. mixing genetics is interesting. i can't let the man take that away. corporations are going to try to patent this stuff... i will not play that game.

i'm no expert, just a guy who loves this plant and wants to bring out the best that i can...
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Sour Wreck said:
i'm just gonna be honest. 4 plants won't work for me.

fuck da man !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: i mean i support legalization for us, but it just won't work for me personally.
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Four plants produce about 7-8 pounds in my garden. For me that's about 60 years worth but I'm a lightweight so I give away plenty. I know people and we trade around so there are plenty of different varieties available on my smoke shelf. Eight pounds a year for personal use is not enough?

Edit: OK, I see what you are driving at. I'm just speaking for the private user. There is a commercial side to the law as well. People with commercial licenses can grow many more plants.

If you are working your hobby with enough plants to do a breeding program in a state that is illegal and are OK with the idea that a raid can be used to justify them taking away your home and all your property then I guess you wouldn't like to live in a legal state. Yes, legal states are pretty heavily regulated. I prefer that to living under threat of a DEA raid but that's just me. I don't want to have to explain to my wife and kids why we lost our home and have to move.
 
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Sour Wreck

Sour Wreck

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Fogdog said:
Four plants produce about 7-8 pounds in my garden. For me that's about 60 years worth but I'm a lightweight so I give away plenty. I know people and we trade around so there are plenty of different varieties available on my smoke shelf. Eight pounds a year for personal use is not enough?

Edit: OK, I see what you are driving at. I'm just speaking for the private user. There is a commercial side to the law as well. People with commercial licenses can grow many more plants.

If you are working your hobby with enough plants to do a breeding program in a state that is illegal and are OK with the idea that a raid can be used to justify them taking away your home and all your property then I guess you wouldn't like to live in a legal state. Yes, legal states are pretty heavily regulated. I prefer that to living under threat of a DEA raid but that's just me. I don't want to have to explain to my wife and kids why we lost our home and have to move.
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lol, i am divorced and the kids are grown.

the government can kiss my ass...
 
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