Largest Root System Ever?

Jesushasdreads

Jesushasdreads

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I had an idea the other day...i saw a pic in the random pix section of this guy standing beside a 6 ft tall pot plant that only had a top...no lower branches whatsoever...i wondered if he planted that outside like with the 4-5 feet of main stem in the ground if it would eventually grow a massive root system and do anything for the plant. IF someone vegged their plant to grow in that fashion them transplanted it outside into a 4-5 foot deep hole what would happen?
 
tahoe58

tahoe58

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interesting thought......only way to know is to try it....cannabis seems to be so incredibly adaptable....it might just rot like said....but it might not? maybe you could score the stem and put rooting/cloning gel on it? anyhow....interesting question.
 
Jesushasdreads

Jesushasdreads

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well not even necessarily that it would have to be that deep, but say even 2-3 feet...just a much larger root structure than a "normal" plant
 
tahoe58

tahoe58

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yea...take a look at the Root and plant development thread that Skunk has just comleted....root "size" does NOT have a direct replationship to above ground productivity. :blsmoke:
Jesushasdreads said:
well not even necessarily that it would have to be that deep, but say even 2-3 feet...just a much larger root structure than a "normal" plant
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abudsmoker

abudsmoker

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tahoe58 said:
yea...take a look at the Root and plant development thread that Skunk has just comleted....root "size" does NOT have a direct replationship to above ground productivity. :blsmoke:
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what! the mass of your roots directly affects the size of your plants, and its fruits
 
abudsmoker

abudsmoker

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just for the record i have done this on some bad clones and seems to work ok i suffer about a 20% loss when i bury a clone 4 inches or lover in dirt.

i use this planting method to lower the nodes close to the soil in a attempt to keep the plant shorter and more busy
 
tahoe58

tahoe58

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I agree.....but only to a point...then any further root development (and the energy required to undertake this task) does not directly translate into above ground production... :blsmoke:
abudsmoker said:
what! the mass of your roots directly affects the size of your plants, and its fruits
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abudsmoker

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you should not mislead people this method can work uner normal condition. but in soil and most mediums you use larger pots to slow water loss and evaporation. if you grow in a tiny pot you will not make large fruits. if your Delivering nutes in hydro you still want large root mass. my last hyrdo plant ak 48 #3 from the get r done thread was never a really big producer 1-2 oz per plant based on 3.5 gallon pot in soil. my firsthydro batch was one plant in a tray of 9 other strains. this plant was given nutes with trace minerals (HAPPY HARVEST) this plant looked as any of the others. there were 3 seperate stains vieing for the light. this plant in week 3 of flower was nearly 4 feet. it was being savagely being attacked by GNATS this also slowed growth causing yellowing. after these guys were killed this plan recovered. as a result i complely bound the hydroten this root mass = 50% of the pot! this plant made nearly 3/4 of a pound! his plant was in soil with not nearly the results. the stem at the base was almost 2 inches! this massive delivery system increased the yeild so many times here is now way you would ever question root mass.
 
tahoe58

tahoe58

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my apologies...I certainly did not mean to mislead anyone. the reality of the work that skunk has done is under identical conditions (in soil)...plants aboveground biomass is not significantly different for a plant in a 5 gal pot vs a 3 gal pot. there is a threshold of root development in soil that can be achieved in a pot smaller than might otherwise be expected if logic is applied. The plant's ability to grow the above ground potential is not limitless, and the massive root systems that develop in large pots can essentially be wasted energy as it does not translate directly into a proportionate increase in aboveground biomass.

Again, my apologies if I mislead anyone with my earlier comments. :peace:
abudsmoker said:
you should not mislead people this method can work uner normal condition. but in soil and most mediums you use larger pots to slow water loss and evaporation. if you grow in a tiny pot you will not make large fruits. if your Delivering nutes in hydro you still want large root mass. my last hyrdo plant ak 48 #3 from the get r done thread was never a really big producer 1-2 oz per plant based on 3.5 gallon pot in soil. my firsthydro batch was one plant in a tray of 9 other strains. this plant was given nutes with trace minerals (HAPPY HARVEST) this plant looked as any of the others. there were 3 seperate stains vieing for the light. this plant in week 3 of flower was nearly 4 feet. it was being savagely being attacked by GNATS this also slowed growth causing yellowing. after these guys were killed this plan recovered. as a result i complely bound the hydroten this root mass = 50% of the pot! this plant made nearly 3/4 of a pound! his plant was in soil with not nearly the results. the stem at the base was almost 2 inches! this massive delivery system increased the yeild so many times here is now way you would ever question root mass.
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abudsmoker

abudsmoker

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i get so razzled over this too as i see more often thean not these new garderners flowering in a one quart pot. i am not discounting skunks work nor have i taken the time to read more than a few pages of his work.

What i speak from is many lol a handfull of grows. i lean towards TREE growth. i have done SOG i have used many different kinds of foods. one of my garden elfs (Token)
a member of this site for as long as you has seen these gardens of mine grow hydroponic/ soil / of theses method we learned that to support massive canopy we need massive root system. keeping the system healthy can prove to be challenging!

He was so excited when KP started this shot glass grow. he was all into to this. turns out he quickly saw the light!

he also was doing a closet grow and the first problem we corrected was pots too small fruits too small. now he is adveraging 1.5 per plant from 400 watts flower.

i believe that the deeper the roots go the taller the plants get. if you get a 3 foot tap root you can easly support 12-15 foot plant. you simply can not do this with 3 gallons of roots!
 
crazy-mental

crazy-mental

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well in fall, i take cuttings from trees climbers, and i was reading a gardening book. and it said that if you saw a thick 3/4" branch dig a hole add sand , and the big fat branch acc, grows for the next year. ive tryed it, and couldnt belive you can take small 4 foot cuttings, but thats for hard wood. isnt cannabis soft/hard. dont know. but i think, if you add rooting powder/gel . and it prob. mite work, under the correct conditions.
 
tahoe58

tahoe58

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acknowledge....I do not disagree....good to get to know you.....best of luck with your continued grows....cheers!
 
skunkushybrid

skunkushybrid

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I think the main stem would start producing roots... it does it anyway, sometimes. Sometimes I see little bits of new root growth coming out near the bottom of the stem. Haven't seen it for a while, but I have seen it happen.

Although this would need to be done in veg', and kept in veg while the plant achieves this. If it's in flower it might lose out on energy for bud growth.
 
crazy-mental

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skunkushybrid said:
I think the main stem would start producing roots... it does it anyway, sometimes. Sometimes I see little bits of new root growth coming out near the bottom of the stem. Haven't seen it for a while, but I have seen it happen.

Although this would need to be done in veg', and kept in veg while the plant achieves this. If it's in flower it might lose out on energy for bud growth.
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i agree skunk.:peace:
 
skunkushybrid

skunkushybrid

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i should hit the 1.5oz mark in 500ml pots. 18 day veg' from clone. They were at, top end, 15" in height.

So long as the root system has an adequate supply of water and nutes it doesn't need to search for them, all it needs is an adequate network of roots within the confines of the pot.

I can only grow 3ft plants, that is my height limit. I have grown the same size plants in 2 gallon, 1 gallon, 3 litre... and now 500ml containers. This proves to me that Veg' time has more to do with eventual plant size than the development of the roots.

I agree that a 12ft plant may need a larger pot... but it would also need more veg' time.

I started supporting my plants from the second week of flower, they were already ready to fall over. When I cut them down they would bend and snap if I were not there to hold them up.
abudsmoker said:
he also was doing a closet grow and the first problem we corrected was pots too small fruits too small. now he is adveraging 1.5 per plant from 400 watts flower.​


i believe that the deeper the roots go the taller the plants get. if you get a 3 foot tap root you can easly support 12-15 foot plant. you simply can not do this with 3 gallons of roots!​
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tahoe58

tahoe58

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hey Skunk...that's interesting....I will have to keep that in mind...i never really thought about that...though I do recall seeing lots of people with their plants "tied" up to support them....i just never thought about it...thanks for bringing that forward! cheers! :blsmoke:
skunkushybrid said:
......I started supporting my plants from the second week of flower, they were already ready to fall over. When I cut them down they would bend and snap if I were not there to hold them up.
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