Langbeinite for supersoil

geekmike said:

Why must everyone be so difficult?

It's a proven formula, why try and figure something else out.... then you will just come back here asking us for help with your SS being all jacked up.

I am assuming this is your first go around with SS too?

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Or you can follow the directions to the T and get Fucked... lol use what plants like, not what others tell you. LABELs dont mean shit, do your research and use common sense

kushking42 said:

are they just similar or the same? if mined from same place then that would be redundant and i would omit. however, i have seen people that know more than me use both to grow ten pound trees. doesn't mean that they arent wrong though

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I suppose that if they are from different places that they would then have varying amounts of trace elements. I want to say that they contain the same trace elements, but maybe in different concentrations. It was just kind of weird when the guy at the store talked me out of buying azomite. granted they only sold it in 50# bags and I don't by any needs ever have need for that much, and I could buy glacial rock dust by the lb for 10 cents a lb. it was kind of awesome that he didn't try to sell me on the azomite.

knnthc93 said:

Oh yeah and sub said he likes the new ss so why not try it...

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Well he couldn't very well go around telling people it was crap even if it was...this is business we are talking about...lol. I bet the makers of Colgate toothpaste think it is the best toothpaste on the market if you were to ask them..lol.

medical/420 said:

Or you can follow the directions to the T and get Fucked... lol use what plants like, not what others tell you. LABELs dont mean shit, do your research and use common sense

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....but is is real hard not to get excelent results if you follow subs recipe to a T.......if your getting fucked with super soil....its not the soil doing the fuckin'....

^ and so it was written..

Im sorry I just have to ask questions, especially with all of you nerd in here. How do you guys feel about adding forest humus instead of humic acid?

missnu said:

Well he couldn't very well go around telling people it was crap even if it was...this is business we are talking about...lol. I bet the makers of Colgate toothpaste think it is the best toothpaste on the market if you were to ask them..lol.

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Well in my opinion just by looking at whats in the ingredients, it looks better

Can I get some input on this?
8 bags of roots original
25 lbs of earth worm castings
.5 cu of ancient forest humus
5 lbs of fish bone meal 3-16-0
5 lbs of bat guana 3-10-1
5lbs of blood meal 12-0-0
2.5 lbs of langbeinite 0-0-22
2 cups of azomite
1/2 epsom salt

I was thinking 2.5 lbs of lang would make for an equal npk and add mag and sulf.

Any input from you guys would be appreciated

Need a calcium source

knnthc93 said:

Can I get some input on this?
8 bags of roots original
25 lbs of earth worm castings
.5 cu of ancient forest humus
5 lbs of fish bone meal 3-16-0
5 lbs of bat guana 3-10-1
5lbs of blood meal 12-0-0
2.5 lbs of langbeinite 0-0-22
2 cups of azomite
1/2 epsom salt

I was thinking 2.5 lbs of lang would make for an equal npk and add mag and sulf.

Any input from you guys would be appreciated

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dolomite, and maybe gypsum

I was thinking about adding gypsum but my water ph is around 9, isnt dolomite more for lower ph ? I believe the fish bone meal has calcium but adding dolomite would help with that

high ph is perfect for gypsum only buffering. the high alkaline input offsets the breaking down of organic matter and the gypsum buffers it. lime keeps ur ph from going too low which clearly wont be the case for you with your 9 ph

Sweet so add gypsum, Should I still use the lengbeinite or is that too much sulfur. Sorry if that is annoying haha

5 lbs Blood meal 12-0-0
5 lbs Bone meal steamed 3-15-0 ( More cal then fish bone )
5 lbs Bat guana 3-10-1
5 lbs Kelp meal 1-.1-2
5 lbs of gypsum
2 cups of azomite
3/4 cup of epson salt
.5 cu of alaskin humus
25 lbs ewc
8 bags of roots og

I feel like that has everything up in there

Should I leave the kelp out? Also is fish bone meal better then steamed bone meal ?

alaskan forest u can omit. its basically expensive peat moss. stick with humic acid

edit: also u can up the castings a lot

kushking42 said:

i think anyone tweeking subs recipe should only do so if they have a firm understanding of soil science.

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My first run I went with ingredients that were available in local stores (and help from the guy at the hydro store), so my recipe was different from day one. I do not have big knowledge of soil science yet but my tweaking seems to have worked for me... tweaking the recipe is part of the hobby isnt? I believe that is how you will get good understanding of the soil science, trial and error. I always recommend using Subs recipe for the first run coze I dont want anyone to fail with my recipe though, that would be terrible!!

knnthc93 said:

5 lbs Blood meal 12-0-0
5 lbs Bone meal steamed 3-15-0 ( More cal then fish bone )
5 lbs Bat guana 3-10-1
5 lbs Kelp meal 1-.1-2
5 lbs of gypsum
2 cups of azomite
3/4 cup of epson salt
.5 cu of alaskin humus
25 lbs ewc
8 bags of roots og

I feel like that has everything up in there

Should I leave the kelp out? Also is fish bone meal better then steamed bone meal ?

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i wouldn't leave out the kelp......if it were my ingredients, i would stick to the fish bone....and double the ewc......the gypsum with the fish bone should be plenty of ca.....but, i would also add a cup or two of dolomite for ca. diversity, and a little extra mg....

Yeah I think I am just going to go with subs recipe. I dont have the knowledge to tweak it. Thanks for the help anyways, fellas

I am going to add gypsum instead of dolomite

My recipie looks like this

15 cu/ft Roots 707
40 lbs QUALITY worm casting

5 lbs guano 0-7-0
5 lbs fish bone meal 3-16-0
4.5 lbs blood meal 12-0-0
4 cups kelp meal
2 cups alphalpha meal
2 cups crab meal
2 cups neem seed meal
1 cup oyster shell
2 cups dolomite (25 ca 11 mg)
2 cups azomite
2 cups langbeinite
4 tbs Tm-7 humic acid
5 cups down to earth granular mykos
1 bag mykos ( extreme)