L.E.D. grow lights?

I wrote this in a personal message to LEDGROW:

Hey Buddy,

Dont get me wrong I appluad you for your research into Led's and growing cannabis.

In fact I have followed your threads at other website forums, and read many of your diaries.

Believe me I have done my research and I have come to this conclusion: ( I would like to have a healthy debate here if you will oblige me)

It is not in the nature of a scientist to nessecarily dissmiss something even if it is proven false as future information may very well bring an idea back.

So here goes the reason I dont think LED's will ever be suitable any time soon.


While It is very easy to inderstand that the usable light coming out of a HPS is very minute and the usable light from LEDS is 100% viable.

The AMOUNT/INTENSITY of usable light from the HPS is more than the best LED LIGHTS AVAILABLE today. (sorry for the shouting/emphasis caps)

This can be figured Actually using lumens/lux/par

I will not go into the math, although I can if would like, I saved it to notepad.

But the numbers come out that there IS almost 3 times the Intensity of red and blue spectrums even though you are wasting light with the HPS in all the other spectrums.

These calculations were based on the best Luxeons and Phillips and CREE's, and I did the intial math that found this conclusion off of the intensity output of the pryocon 100

with the info being listed on Experiments with Hydroponics, Aeroponics, and LED Grow Lighting

Hit me back I would very much like to speak with you on this.

passtheblunt said:

HAHA i just have to laugh at this...

im sorry Al. B fuct

but you just got royally pawned by ledgrow

aw that made my day reading that lol

just loved the way he took your arguement apart bit by bit top notch ledgrow

sorry, had to be said

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You apparently are ledgrow by another name, or you are a complete schmuck that has never grown before, because you apparently dont know what you are talking about.

chuckbane said:

i have NEVER heard anything good about led... unless it is from ppl who have spent a good coin on a led op... but they are just trying to justify what they do,, dont get trapped into their b.s.
DONT BUY LED... BUY HPS

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and there it is........these people drop a bunch of money on a light system that can only produce 1 or 2 spindly plants and will defend their christmas lights untill their lips turn blue...like this ledgrow dude....he posted pics of shity growth to try and prove something about leds..but the minute he posted that pic of that pathetic looking plant he lost his argument...a picture tells a thousand words.....$600 for a light that might push out an oz....where for the same amount of money you can pic up a 600w light(that could give you close to a lb per if you know what your doing..or sometimes even if you dont)....plus an s&p td150 vent fan.....plus a canfan33 carbon scrubber.....so there it is..for the price of some shity led lights you just got yourself enough gear to have a decent closet op...what these led sheople dont seem to realize with their( it doesnt cause heat)..you still have to vent the room and clean the air....so you tell me what is the better choice...$600 for over 224g or $900 (led,ventfan and scrubber) to get 28g or so.

im gonna buy 4x 100 watt red LED panels... i believe it will work

powerplant said:

im gonna buy 4x 100 watt red LED panels... i believe it will work

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/sigh...It will work..but what you will have to take into consideration is the effectiveness of the money you spend on those lights. You will get small spindly plants with a small amount of budding; on the other hand you use that money to get a decent hid lighting system and watch as your plant thrive. You are not the first to think it could work and believe me you will not be the last, but you will be disappointed in your plants appearance and yield size. Show me one good grow with LEDs ( what I mean by this is, show me a plant that has yielded the same amount of bud as one that is under the same wattage of hid lighting.) Only then will you change anyones stance on LEDs (keep in mind a lot of us have tried LEDs as an experiment and have all come to the same conclusion. Coincidence? Think again.)

it's hopeless

chuckbane said:

it's hopeless

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It seems like no matter how many times you tell a person, they just either don't understand or don't care. People ask for advice..but don't take it. Fuck it, I am gonna go my non-led bud.

Hey Pidgeon,

I appreciate your contribution to this thread. There may still be these little guys who say they wanna try but, Believe that maybe there are 100's who will read our responses and choose not to buy, and go the correct direction.

Let the fallen few fall, but try to save those who have not yet fallen.

do u save money in very very long run they last for like 7 years

SuRE but you make 1/100 of the viable produced underdeveloped piss poor thc Bud over that 7 years.

ALSO A HPS BULB AND BALLAST CAN LAST FOR 4 years!!!!

Thanks for the compliment GG.

thanks for your advice.
you see our grow room is located in a place where the laws are very different from Canada or the united states. here... its not worth risking it no matter what.
you have to agree that using 2200 watts for 12 hours a day will raise suspicions.
that brings up another question.
i was told by a friend that i should set up 4 to 6 car batteries to hook up to a ballast, to light up my growroom. is that even possible?

by the way. we already done grown with HPS and HID lamps. but in canada. we moved to a new country and it seems like LED's are the way to go....

cfl's would be better

t8 flouresencts are ideal because they are cheap and able to actually produce viable bud

You can get them anywhere.

And regardless of whatever country you are in LEDS arent gonna be good enough to make buds appropiatly.

YouTube - LED Marijuana Grow NUFF SAID, check it out

NUFF SAID, I have battled trying to explain why LEDs are currently crap.

And even in that video that guy is using a very shitty 400 watt and what the hell did the plants practically die for.

Is that his special way of growin, harvest when they die? WTF

ganjagoddess said:

ALSO A HPS BULB AND BALLAST CAN LAST FOR 4 years!!!!

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learn something new everyday i thought u have to change them once a year

blinkykush said:

YouTube - LED Marijuana Grow NUFF SAID, check it out

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Right, because all LED grow lights are the same and if one doesn't work then they are all crap.

im gonna buy 4x 100 watt red LED panels... i believe it will work

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it wont work because plants need red and blue to develop properly

While It is very easy to inderstand that the usable light coming out of a HPS is very minute and the usable light from LEDS is 100% viable.

The AMOUNT/INTENSITY of usable light from the HPS is more than the best LED LIGHTS AVAILABLE today. (sorry for the shouting/emphasis caps)

This can be figured Actually using lumens/lux/par

I will not go into the math, although I can if would like, I saved it to notepad.

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Eh? Go ahead and post the math. You can't make absurdly broad and sweeping statements like that... it doesnt even make sense. What 2 lights are you even comparing? Even if the LED does put out slightly less usable light (and im not sure it does), its taking only 105 watts as compared to a 400watt HPS and achieving similar results. If I had a 400 watt LED light it would put out usable PAR light equivalent to a ~1200watt and far more than your 400watt HPS. You do understand that light = energy right?

I dont really care to argue with you because you are saying stuff that shows a complete lack of understanding about how light, energy, and electronics work. It would be like trying to explain algebra to somebody who doesnt know arithmetic.

It seems like no matter how many times you tell a person, they just either don't understand or don't care. People ask for advice..but don't take it.

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Wow, I sure am with you on that one. But in your case, maybe thats because you are not qualified to give advice on a topic you do not fully understand?

LEDs are growing and achieving similar and sometimes greater yields than an hps. And dont worry I will have more videos and pics to prove this soon.

You guys can be willfully ignorant if you choose, just like the old grandma technophobes who think their old methods are better than new science. Instead of being open to new concepts you just conclusively reject them because you fear change.